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crzymdups
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7/11/2016  2:19 PM
Nalod wrote:Perspective:

"Since drafting Duncan, the Spurs won five championships and posted a 1,072-438 regular season record, giving the team a .710 winning percentage, which is the best 19-year stretch in NBA history and was the best in all of the NBA, NFL, NHL and MLB over the last 19 years."

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7/11/2016  2:31 PM
franco12 wrote:
Nalod wrote:Perspective:

"Since drafting Duncan, the Spurs won five championships and posted a 1,072-438 regular season record, giving the team a .710 winning percentage, which is the best 19-year stretch in NBA history and was the best in all of the NBA, NFL, NHL and MLB over the last 19 years."

Proof that tanking can have benefits, especially when an organization knows what is doing (vs. Hinkie).

Robinson was out for the start of the season and the Spurs never could make up the bad start. I dont believe they tried to lose.
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7/11/2016  2:42 PM
franco12 wrote:
Nalod wrote:Perspective:

"Since drafting Duncan, the Spurs won five championships and posted a 1,072-438 regular season record, giving the team a .710 winning percentage, which is the best 19-year stretch in NBA history and was the best in all of the NBA, NFL, NHL and MLB over the last 19 years."

Proof that tanking can have benefits, especially when an organization knows what is doing (vs. Hinkie).

You should ask Rick Pitino, who tanked the Celtics the same year how that worked for him?
Robinson blew he knee out. Spurs were a good team who lost a top 10 NBA player in the year Tim left college.

basically, 3 good players in this draft
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_NBA_draft

Spurs went from 3rd to first in draft order. Previous season Spurs won 59 games. Robinson blew it on the 6th game of the season.
Robinson was one season removed from his MVP season. At some point, yes, they would have thrown in the towel and let it happen, but I doubt at 6 games they just tanked.
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7/11/2016  2:43 PM
They tanked, and created the trend. One of the greatest players of all time, and one of the great Team to Player relationships of all time.
http://amonthhoffundays.blogspot.com/ We got a ringer.
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7/11/2016  2:55 PM
nychamp wrote:
dk7th wrote:here's my top 15 as of now (and yes titles-- especially *leading* a team to titles-- is a significant factor in my opinion.)


1a)russell
1b)jordan
3)magic johnson
4a)bird
4b)lebron
6a)hakeem
6b)shaq
6c)duncan
7a)kareem
7b)chamberlain
8)robertson
9a)mo malone
9b)bryant
10a)dirk
10b)barkley

Interesting, solid list. Last year shooting the **** with friends I came up with my All Time Starting Five with positional/chemistry consideration and they are all right at the top of your list:

PG: Lebron, SG: Jordan, SF: Bird, PF: Duncan, C: Russell

2nd Team:

PG: Magic, SG: Kobe, SF: Dr J., PF: Barkley, C: Olajuwon

ha ha that first team would never lose a game!

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/11/2016  3:11 PM

Poor Tim probably didn't have many friends in the NBA, where egotists, blowhards, snobs, and narcissists abound.

EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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7/11/2016  3:18 PM
This is an interesting look at wether or not the Spurs tanked to get Timmay

http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/articles/the-myth-of-the-tanking-spurs
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7/11/2016  3:44 PM
Finally! I have nothing but respect for TD, my favorite player of all time. I even tried to copy his game as much as I could. Getting smacked up in the Finals was just too painful. Our Cinderella run was just so amazing ! Well now we can try again . . .
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7/11/2016  9:05 PM
My favorite all time non-Knickerbocker alongside Jordan. Gonna miss Timmy and everything he stood for. What a picture perfect career
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7/11/2016  10:29 PM
franco12 wrote:
Nalod wrote:Perspective:

"Since drafting Duncan, the Spurs won five championships and posted a 1,072-438 regular season record, giving the team a .710 winning percentage, which is the best 19-year stretch in NBA history and was the best in all of the NBA, NFL, NHL and MLB over the last 19 years."

Proof that tanking can have benefits, especially when an organization knows what is doing (vs. Hinkie).

they did not tank, they lost Robinson to injury and sucked. They also did not have the 1st pick but got super lucky when Pitino and the celtics lost the lottery and SA slipped in.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/12/2016  8:12 AM
WaltLongmire wrote:

Poor Tim probably didn't have many friends in the NBA, where egotists, blowhards, snobs, and narcissists abound.



He should go back and add a chapter:

"Draymond Green's stress, and a champions quest to repeat by testicular indifference"
A study should be made as to why Draymond was prone to smacking a mans nuts.
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7/12/2016  8:19 AM
I suppose his main rival in his era was Kevin Garnett whose work ethic and intensity is to be admired but was just plain an ugly man and went to far.
Tim lost his mother to cancer when he was 14 years old. Kevin said "happy mothers day MF" to him on the court.
There is a lot of trash to talk, but that steps over the line. Way over.
So when KG retires, phuck him.
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7/12/2016  9:35 AM
538 article on Duncan being the past 2 way player since Jordan:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/farewell-to-tim-duncan-the-greatest-two-way-player-in-modern-nba-history/
It was nice to see Ewing in the top 20.
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7/12/2016  10:22 AM
dk7th wrote:
nychamp wrote:
dk7th wrote:here's my top 15 as of now (and yes titles-- especially *leading* a team to titles-- is a significant factor in my opinion.)


1a)russell
1b)jordan
3)magic johnson
4a)bird
4b)lebron
6a)hakeem
6b)shaq
6c)duncan
7a)kareem
7b)chamberlain
8)robertson
9a)mo malone
9b)bryant
10a)dirk
10b)barkley

Interesting, solid list. Last year shooting the **** with friends I came up with my All Time Starting Five with positional/chemistry consideration and they are all right at the top of your list:

PG: Lebron, SG: Jordan, SF: Bird, PF: Duncan, C: Russell

2nd Team:

PG: Magic, SG: Kobe, SF: Dr J., PF: Barkley, C: Olajuwon

ha ha that first team would never lose a game!

As much as I hate him, I have to put garnett over Kobe and Dirk. Duncan is the only forward in recent years who you can even argue was a better two way player than KG.

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7/12/2016  10:41 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
dk7th wrote:
nychamp wrote:
dk7th wrote:here's my top 15 as of now (and yes titles-- especially *leading* a team to titles-- is a significant factor in my opinion.)


1a)russell
1b)jordan
3)magic johnson
4a)bird
4b)lebron
6a)hakeem
6b)shaq
6c)duncan
7a)kareem
7b)chamberlain
8)robertson
9a)mo malone
9b)bryant
10a)dirk
10b)barkley

Interesting, solid list. Last year shooting the **** with friends I came up with my All Time Starting Five with positional/chemistry consideration and they are all right at the top of your list:

PG: Lebron, SG: Jordan, SF: Bird, PF: Duncan, C: Russell

2nd Team:

PG: Magic, SG: Kobe, SF: Dr J., PF: Barkley, C: Olajuwon

ha ha that first team would never lose a game!

As much as I hate him, I have to put garnett over Kobe and Dirk. Duncan is the only forward in recent years who you can even argue was a better two way player than KG.

yes garnett should be in there somewhere that was a bad omission.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/12/2016  12:04 PM
dk7th wrote:here's my top 15 as of now (and yes titles-- especially *leading* a team to titles-- is a significant factor in my opinion.)


1a)russell
1b)jordan
3)magic johnson
4a)bird
4b)lebron
6a)hakeem
6b)shaq
6c)duncan
7a)kareem
7b)chamberlain
8)robertson
9a)mo malone
9b)bryant
10a)dirk
10b)barkley

Leaving out players outside my era.

1a) Jordan
1c) Lebron
3) Shaq
4) Magic
5) Duncan
6) bird
7) Hakeem
8) Barkley
9) Kobe
10) Malone (moses)
11) Dr. J
11b) David Robinson
12) Pippen
13) Dirk
14) John Stockton
15) Karl Malone
16) Dwayne Wade

Steph - too early to judge but he is in there somewhere.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/13/2016  12:32 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:538 article on Duncan being the past 2 way player since Jordan:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/farewell-to-tim-duncan-the-greatest-two-way-player-in-modern-nba-history/
It was nice to see Ewing in the top 20.

Great find! Crazy how with all the accolades I can honestly say Duncan did not get enough credit from fans. But that's because he did it quietly without the fanfare.

Good to see Ewing on the list considering even some Knick fans will argue he wasn't that good. On this board even
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7/13/2016  12:35 AM
dk7th wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
dk7th wrote:
nychamp wrote:
dk7th wrote:here's my top 15 as of now (and yes titles-- especially *leading* a team to titles-- is a significant factor in my opinion.)


1a)russell
1b)jordan
3)magic johnson
4a)bird
4b)lebron
6a)hakeem
6b)shaq
6c)duncan
7a)kareem
7b)chamberlain
8)robertson
9a)mo malone
9b)bryant
10a)dirk
10b)barkley

Interesting, solid list. Last year shooting the **** with friends I came up with my All Time Starting Five with positional/chemistry consideration and they are all right at the top of your list:

PG: Lebron, SG: Jordan, SF: Bird, PF: Duncan, C: Russell

2nd Team:

PG: Magic, SG: Kobe, SF: Dr J., PF: Barkley, C: Olajuwon

ha ha that first team would never lose a game!

As much as I hate him, I have to put garnett over Kobe and Dirk. Duncan is the only forward in recent years who you can even argue was a better two way player than KG.

yes garnett should be in there somewhere that was a bad omission.

yea its really close Duncan is 1 and KG 1a. Duncan gets the edge for being more dominant offensively and a bit more clutch.
Basically Duncan is Jordan
KG is Lebron
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7/13/2016  12:01 PM
Congratulations on your phenomenal career Timmy. You deserve all the recognition you receive.
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7/13/2016  12:21 PM
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