reub wrote:Sullinger available now too.

Did they renounce their rights to him like we did with Galloway?

WaltLongmire wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Unless the Knicks and Baker feel that him playing in Italy for a season is the best way to go, Baker is on the team.

Don't think that's an option. They didn't draft baker. They can't stash him.

If he's truly under partial guarantee he can't go until the Knicks waive him. But if they do they'll have no rights to him. If he plays in Italy it'll be as an nba ufa.

Gentleman's agreement...I understand he would not be officially a Knick.

My own feeling is that the Italy rumor was simply he and his agent having a fall back plan if they did not keep him because of a numbers game situation.

He's neither guaranteed a roster spot or a full year's salary. He'd be wise to line up options if the KNicks don't keep him. Bear in mind, if he's in camp with the KNicks and gets cut, all the other 29 teams already have their camp rosters. Latching onto a team would be hard. It'd be 20k in the D-League, or go to Europe and make a decent wage.

Finestrg wrote:I would love to add Cat Barber and Spencer Dinwiddie on this team to round out our guard depth and I think both guys are obtainable. Barber didn't play one min. in the 1st half of the Pels' summer league game last night against Utah, played briefly in the 2nd half and played well I thought (shot 2-3 from the field, handled the ball well and played good man to man defense, switching quickly/fighting over screens etc.) and then wasn't on the floor for a long stretch at the end when Hield hit a couple of shots to make it close). Hasn't started either game they played so far and has gotten only limited PT...With all their ball-handling guards (they just brought back Tim Frazier on a 2-year deal and signed Langston Galloway and E'Twaun Moore to go along with several other PGs and combo guards they already had), I don't think Barber even makes that team. Plus they don't seem too eager to really get a good look at him in SL so far...Meanwhile we have a need for more depth behind Rose and Jennings. And likewise with Dinwiddie--the Bulls just waived him a couple of days ago. He's still playing for their SL team but what does he owe them at this point? They just cut him. He's playing SL for the Bulls but most likely auditioning for another team. Please Phil -- go get these guys. They're right there for the taking!!

Just curious what people really think of Buddy Hield. I didn't love him in college to be honest and outside of hitting a few 3s late in the Utah game, he's played poorly so far (5-20 and 7-20 in his first two SL games). I don't know if I see a star in the making with this guy. Not sure I even see a better player than PJ Hairston so far to be honest.

Will he be the the kind of player who needs to jack up 20 shots/night to get his points? He seems to play hard and moves around without the ball, but he might be a guy who needs to be the alpha dog to be effective.

We will see.

A look at our summer league guys and what they did and could bring to the Knicks.

Randle 3pt shooting = 42% for Czech last year and 55% this year in SL.
Baker this year shot 37% from 3 pt and that was after a very cold start.

Both push the ball well; play D; rebound; etc. I'd take Randle and Baker. There is no comparison.

Finestrg wrote:

Markji wrote:Spencer Dinwiddie in 2 yrs with Detroit shoots only 31% total and only 17% from 3 pt. Dinwiddie is also 23 yrs old as are Randle and Baker.

Randle 3pt shooting = 42% for Czech last year and 55% this year in SL.
Baker this year shot 37% from 3 pt and that was after a very cold start.

Both push the ball well; play D; rebound; etc. I'd take Randle and Baker. There is no comparison.

I don't put any stock in numbers that come with a limited body of work. Dinwiddie's had good moments in the NBA so far and he passes the eye test for me. Another important factor--he's healthy. His size and versatility would be invaluable. To me, the man's an NBA rotation guard right now w/o question. We'd be lucky to get him. And I see big-time firepower potential in Cat Barber. These would be the two guards I'd target. I'd go out and give each guaranteed money right now.

Markji wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

Markji wrote:Spencer Dinwiddie in 2 yrs with Detroit shoots only 31% total and only 17% from 3 pt. Dinwiddie is also 23 yrs old as are Randle and Baker.

Randle 3pt shooting = 42% for Czech last year and 55% this year in SL.
Baker this year shot 37% from 3 pt and that was after a very cold start.

Both push the ball well; play D; rebound; etc. I'd take Randle and Baker. There is no comparison.

I don't put any stock in numbers that come with a limited body of work. Dinwiddie's had good moments in the NBA so far and he passes the eye test for me. Another important factor--he's healthy. His size and versatility would be invaluable. To me, the man's an NBA rotation guard right now w/o question. We'd be lucky to get him. And I see big-time firepower potential in Cat Barber. These would be the two guards I'd target. I'd go out and give each guaranteed money right now.

We have a difference of opinion. If Dinwiddie was so good, why was he just waived by Chicago. And he has had a terrible 2 years with Detroit. I'd go with the new guys, especially Randle. He makes things happen and the team plays much better when he is on the court.

You're right--we apparently have a huge difference of opinion on Dinwiddie. Again, I can't determine a thing just looking at low numbers associated with such a limited body of work. In 13 mins a game, a guy could shoot 30% from the field (even lower) or 80%. It's skewed, can't judge a guy's worth either way solely on that limited a sample. Doesn't come close to telling the whole story. You've got to watch Dinwiddie to see his true value. I have--this is a guy I've wanted for some time now, going back to 2014 draft when we took Early in the 2nd round instead.

I respect your opinion though and can see what you're saying about Randle and Baker. In fact, I bet you're right and we wind up adding Randle or Baker if not both and that wouldn't be terrible. I just have Dinwiddie and Barber rated higher, A LOT higher, but that's me.

WaltLongmire wrote:

Markji wrote:Now, after signing Sasha, we have 2 spots left on the roster. Commenters say we will take another PF and a guard. Most think Baker will be the guard as he has a partial guarantee. While Randle played extremely well and shot well - especially from 3 pt range. See his stats below from Czech and Summer League.

The question in my mind is can we sign both Baker and Randle and play more small ball. Horn. likes to have 2 point guards play together and push the ball up court. Randle is very quick and seems to play more like Jennings but Randle has a much better shot. Baker is more of a SG but can also push the ball up court. Both are 23 yrs old and both played 4 years in college, each setting records at their respective college. Obviously, I like Randle and hope he makes the team because if we don't sign him, another team will.

Randle's Stats last year playing for Czech.

Season	Team	League	GP	GS	MIN	FGM	FGA	FG%	3PM	3PA	3P%	FTM	FTA	FT%	OFF	DEF	TRB	AST	STL	BLK
2015-16	All      All   66	16	20.6	4.50	9.73	.463	2.02	4.76	.424	1.79	2.15	.831	0.42	1.95	2.38	1.95	1.15 0.26

NBA Summer League stats

Season	Team	Location	GP	GS	MIN	FGM	FGA	FG%	3PM	3PA	3P%	FTM	FTA	FT%	OFF	DEF	TRB	AST	STL	BLK
2015-16	GOS	Las Vegas	6	0	20.2	3.17	8.83	.358	1.50	4.67	.321	1.67	2.83	.588	0.50	1.33	1.83	1.33	0.33	0.00
2016-17	NYK	Orlando	        3	2	29.5	6.67	14.00	.476	3.67	6.67	.550	1.33	1.67	.800	1.00	3.33	4.33	5.00	3.00	0.67

Have to admit that I was thinking along similar lines.

Look at the Cavs...they chose to go small ball in the playoffs, for the most part, and in the end, Mosgov was almost a forgotten member of the team.

I agree.

Though just to play devil's advocate - the Warriors didn't win a game after they lost Bogut. I think the ability to play both ways is important.

That said, I feel like we have enough bigs. Unless we can get a guy like David Lee, I'd be content to give Baker and Randle a look.

reub wrote:After Sasha we have 1 more opening I believe (if Baker makes the team). Would have to be a big leaving Chasson Randle out in the cold. Can we sign Randle sort of the way we signed some of our D league guys last year?

Our last spot should be a big. Brandon Bass, David Lee, Seraphin, Motiejunas, Christian Wood, a Phil surprise (Bynum or Boozer?) might be the best of what's left. I would love either Bass or Lee. Even Montiejunas would be good. Seraphin coming back wouldn't surprise me cause he knows triangle.

Is Mentiejunas a UFA and healthy?