ChuckBuck wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

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Im sold. Sign Jack!

That's one of those...think before you speak thing... Gotta stay classy my friend.

He is going to regret making that tweet. Might have caused him some money for his next contract.

I'll take Jack for a bag of chips please!

Anything more than a MLE is overpaying for Jack.

Jack is getting blasted now in twitterverse. This is his response

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Feel sorry for this guy.

SkyWalker wrote:That rate would make a lot of sense for Eric Gordon - 2 years 24 million.

Yeah that would be great but E.Gordon is a much better player and worth much more than J.Lin. E.Gordon is a really good player but with him it obviously comes down to his health. When healthy he's a good player with a really good 3 point shot and is good at getting to the basket.

PresIke wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

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lopez and jeremy...brook-lin in full effect.

100% chance there will be t-shirts sold at Barclays with this on it.

Yea man, the marketing team is probably crazy hyped for this signing haha...

ChuckBuck wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

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https://twitter.com/LegionHoops/status/748887109159747584

Im sold. Sign Jack!

That's one of those...think before you speak thing... Gotta stay classy my friend.

He is going to regret making that tweet. Might have caused him some money for his next contract.

I'll take Jack for a bag of chips please!

Anything more than a MLE is overpaying for Jack.

He'd be a good backup to D.Rose but didn't his season end with some kind of knee surgery??

newyorker4ever wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:$12m per and 3 year is fair for Lin. Nets got a steal on this one. He's not an all star, but he'll produce plenty during his NBA prime years.

A steal?? Don't think i'd call it a steal but it's a good deal in this market for a decent player.

Considering the money thrown around, $12m per is reasonable for a guard of Lin's caliber entering his prime years.

It's equivalent to $8 or $9m in years past.

DrAlphaeus wrote:fishmike, not for nothing but Lopez started all 82 for that Blazers team that went to the second round with Aldridge and Lillard. He started all 11 playoff games too. 93 games out of your 5 to give your 4 room to groove.

This is simply about a higher upside, and Noah has higher upside than Lopez every night. If we are in a battle in a seven game series Noah can win us a series. Rose can win us a series. Lopez is not winning us a series he's a role player. Now maybe that is the starphuck mentality and I can sure see that, but in the past this WAS the move. Now its the complimentary parts. We know Melo and KP are a fantastic combo. They play very very well together. There are no impact parts around them, and now with Rose/Noah there are two. Rose doesnt have to be an MVP, but he is the guy who can really hurt you if you focus too much on MElo/KP.

I am warming more and more to this for a couple reasons. 1) Aside from just Rose/Noah I expect the Knicks to be better. Langston, Melo and KP all give me optimism for better years. I dont think we needed much from last year to jump from 32 wins to a playoff team. Once we get there the gamble is that Rose/Noah/KP/Melo are reasonably healthy. If that quad is reasonably healthy honestly what is the upside? I mean Knick could win 42 games next year but if they get healthy suddenly the Cavs have to deal with Melo vs. Bron, Noah on Tristan, KP on Love, Rose and Irving... good drama at the least!

And if it tanks... so we get a good pick. Maybe then Melo bolts and gets us a couple good young building blocks.

Knicks have 4 names right now. KP/Rose/Melo/Noah (assuming Noah signs). We will really know the value of that after FA shakes out, and the Knicks have a chance to sign some very good old vets who end up helping out bigtime. Guys like Kidd, Sheed... they dont come to play with nobodys. I think this new quad is inviting to that talent pool and its one that has really elevated us in the past.

Still have KP... he's the cornerstone. Maybe Willy is our home grown Lopez. Thats the perfect hedge. We havent given up picks to take this risk. If it fails there is upside to that as well.

fishmike wrote:

fishmike wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:fishmike, not for nothing but Lopez started all 82 for that Blazers team that went to the second round with Aldridge and Lillard. He started all 11 playoff games too. 93 games out of your 5 to give your 4 room to groove.

and could we envision Lopez playing center with KP at the 4 and MElo at the 3 and the Knicks playing in the 2nd round? Sure... Lopez was a good player and I was not a fan of this trade. Im not one to start trashing the old girlfriend because the next one is shiny and new.

This is simply about a higher upside, and Noah has higher upside than Lopez every night. If we are in a battle in a seven game series Noah can win us a series. Rose can win us a series. Lopez is not winning us a series he's a role player. Now maybe that is the starphuck mentality and I can sure see that, but in the past this WAS the move. Now its the complimentary parts. We know Melo and KP are a fantastic combo. They play very very well together. There are no impact parts around them, and now with Rose/Noah there are two. Rose doesnt have to be an MVP, but he is the guy who can really hurt you if you focus too much on MElo/KP.

I am warming more and more to this for a couple reasons. 1) Aside from just Rose/Noah I expect the Knicks to be better. Langston, Melo and KP all give me optimism for better years. I dont think we needed much from last year to jump from 32 wins to a playoff team. Once we get there the gamble is that Rose/Noah/KP/Melo are reasonably healthy. If that quad is reasonably healthy honestly what is the upside? I mean Knick could win 42 games next year but if they get healthy suddenly the Cavs have to deal with Melo vs. Bron, Noah on Tristan, KP on Love, Rose and Irving... good drama at the least!

And if it tanks... so we get a good pick. Maybe then Melo bolts and gets us a couple good young building blocks.

Knicks have 4 names right now. KP/Rose/Melo/Noah (assuming Noah signs). We will really know the value of that after FA shakes out, and the Knicks have a chance to sign some very good old vets who end up helping out bigtime. Guys like Kidd, Sheed... they dont come to play with nobodys. I think this new quad is inviting to that talent pool and its one that has really elevated us in the past.

Still have KP... he's the cornerstone. Maybe Willy is our home grown Lopez. Thats the perfect hedge. We havent given up picks to take this risk. If it fails there is upside to that as well.

and Melo is 31 and played on 50 win teams for 7 straight years. Noah and Rose are guys who expect to win. KP is a fierce competitor. He's got the eye of the tiger. Can this group elevate the players around them? Remains to be seen but its much easier to do as a 4some than a 2some. Thats the mentality. We will see how the gamble shakes. I didnt like the trade but I think this is ballsy and I can appreciate. Its exciting

No doubt, the potential for court creativity and being a matchup problem is higher with a healthy Rose vs a healthy Lopez, for sure. And then if Rose is healthy and is an important contributer, that presents its own issue in whether it prompts Knicks to re-up. It's a gamble. Good point about Willy. And Lopez was drafted #15, which will probably be the pick we end up with next year anyway

WaltLongmire wrote:

fishmike wrote:

fishmike wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:fishmike, not for nothing but Lopez started all 82 for that Blazers team that went to the second round with Aldridge and Lillard. He started all 11 playoff games too. 93 games out of your 5 to give your 4 room to groove.

and could we envision Lopez playing center with KP at the 4 and MElo at the 3 and the Knicks playing in the 2nd round? Sure... Lopez was a good player and I was not a fan of this trade. Im not one to start trashing the old girlfriend because the next one is shiny and new.

This is simply about a higher upside, and Noah has higher upside than Lopez every night. If we are in a battle in a seven game series Noah can win us a series. Rose can win us a series. Lopez is not winning us a series he's a role player. Now maybe that is the starphuck mentality and I can sure see that, but in the past this WAS the move. Now its the complimentary parts. We know Melo and KP are a fantastic combo. They play very very well together. There are no impact parts around them, and now with Rose/Noah there are two. Rose doesnt have to be an MVP, but he is the guy who can really hurt you if you focus too much on MElo/KP.

I am warming more and more to this for a couple reasons. 1) Aside from just Rose/Noah I expect the Knicks to be better. Langston, Melo and KP all give me optimism for better years. I dont think we needed much from last year to jump from 32 wins to a playoff team. Once we get there the gamble is that Rose/Noah/KP/Melo are reasonably healthy. If that quad is reasonably healthy honestly what is the upside? I mean Knick could win 42 games next year but if they get healthy suddenly the Cavs have to deal with Melo vs. Bron, Noah on Tristan, KP on Love, Rose and Irving... good drama at the least!

And if it tanks... so we get a good pick. Maybe then Melo bolts and gets us a couple good young building blocks.

Knicks have 4 names right now. KP/Rose/Melo/Noah (assuming Noah signs). We will really know the value of that after FA shakes out, and the Knicks have a chance to sign some very good old vets who end up helping out bigtime. Guys like Kidd, Sheed... they dont come to play with nobodys. I think this new quad is inviting to that talent pool and its one that has really elevated us in the past.

Still have KP... he's the cornerstone. Maybe Willy is our home grown Lopez. Thats the perfect hedge. We havent given up picks to take this risk. If it fails there is upside to that as well.

and Melo is 31 and played on 50 win teams for 7 straight years. Noah and Rose are guys who expect to win. KP is a fierce competitor. He's got the eye of the tiger. Can this group elevate the players around them? Remains to be seen but its much easier to do as a 4some than a 2some. Thats the mentality. We will see how the gamble shakes. I didnt like the trade but I think this is ballsy and I can appreciate. Its exciting

Hopefully exciting will be the word we toss around next year, and not excruciating or exasperating.

Agree with you about Hernangomez...if he is the kind of blue collar player I hope he will be, we will feel differently about losing Lopez. Playing with the Spanish Olympics team should be a plus for him, as he will be facing NBA quality players in practice and in games. Might be better than him doing SL, IMO, although I had hoped to see him play in Orlando.

You even wonder if the Knicks have kept a close eye on Willy this year and this contributed to their willingness to let Lopez go...

We will see.

I also wonder if Lopez's back was a concern/factor in trading him. Many here now dismiss him as a middling center but he was Jax's finest addition and his play over the last three months here was very good . He appeared to be really hitting his stride and contributed in so many ways. He obviously had a great rapport with teammates and was allowing KP's growth and was one of the few who took to the triangle.

I do expect Noah to bring the same and perhaps more and Jax was fortunate to get him but I do wonder if Knicks were concerned about Lopez's back