Swishfm3 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:3 loser teams want to offer Crabbe the max.... need we say more?

Those same teams are going to rise the price on everyone else.

Its being reported that Sixers are going to offer H.Barnes the MAX. THE MAX!!...if all this happens, no way the Knicks get Bazemore, Noah or any top FA.

People have to adjust their calculus.

No team was ever going to walk away with 3-4 real solid players. The market was never destined to afford that opportunity.

Knicks have max cap space, so they'll get a top free agent if they want.

They're just not going to get a top free agent and 2 other really good ones too.

EwingsGlass wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:If it is true they can keep some of their own free agents using early bird rights or cap holds.

Starting C/Seraphin/O'Quinn
Porzingis/Williams
Melo/Thomas
Starting 2G/Holiday
Rose/Galloway

The starting C and 2G need to fall winthin 29$M. This assumes Thomas, Williams, Galloway, Seraphin all agree to deals within 1.5 times their last season salary (Williams, Seraphin) or we use early bird rights to keep them at market value (Thomas, Galloway).

If Noah costs the Knicks what I think he will - 18$M, that leaves about 11$M for a shooting guard.

I think that's on the right track. Maybe $11M for Courtney Lee?

Courtney Lee is a top of the key three pt shooter, which is great for getting back on D. It leaves us with no real corner three guys. If you were running a mega death lineup amd had another corner wing, Lee makes a great addition.

http://vorped.com/1-nba/2015-2016/player/892/courtney-lee/

Batum, for example, would be PERFECT to balance the floor.
http://vorped.com/1-nba/2015-2016/player/849/nicolas-batum/

This lineup has great floor balance and spacing. And well positioned transition defenders.
Rose
Lee
Batum
Anthony
KP6

The issue is that KP is not strong enough to man that C spot all year. And all your money is gone. It lacks a dominant rebounder.

If you can choose between Batum and Lee, even at the price, you take Batum for spacing and passing. A Batum + Mozgov or Noah (not moneterily realistic?) offseason is pretty Successful, IMO. But, this is my pre- coffee lineup.

I think the number of french players on the SL squad is as much about gathering info on Batum and maybe a french running mate for Batum as it is testing their talent... should we look for Labeyrie and Batum to be roomies with the Knicks this season, no?

Good post. Thanks for the info. I didn't know where Lee shot his threes most. I feel like I saw him shoot that wing three - not corner but halfway between the corner and the top of the arc. I think he'd get a lot of open looks there with Melo and Rose.

Finding a corner three shooter would be good.

Batum would be amazing to get. I don't know if I feel like we have a chance with him though.

I think that lineup you posted would be amazing but we would need some backup bigs to spell KP and give the option to go bigger.

It's interesting - after the Finals the word is the Warriors are looking at Horford and Noah - they know they need to be able to play bigger. And they were totally screwed once Bogut went down. The ability to play big still matters.

Though it is funny that we all consider a lineup with 7'3" KP in the middle "going small". In a few years he is gonna be a handful down low. I wouldn't put it past him to be there sooner than we think. He's working hard.

GustavBahler wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Where does it say max contract? I dont see that?

You have three teams bidding on him. Two of those teams have $50m in cap room. And he's restricted. He's a younger guy so his max starts around $17m in year 1. Which is what you said you'd pay him anyway. I'm just saying I think he will absolutely get that based on who will be bidding.

I don't love Courtney Lee - but I think he's affordable for what we can do and his skill set fits what we need from the SG spot - defense and 3pt shooting.

Been underwhelmed with the pool of available SGs. Doesn't get much better next summer. We need help, thats for sure, but part of me doesn't want to sign anyone available to a long term deal until we know what happens with Rose. Would be nice to trade for an SG, but we don't have much to offer.

Yeah I have a feeling we will wind up targeting a guard in the 2017 draft.

It'd be nice to overpay a little on a one and one deal this year. Though I don't know what our options are there.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

EnySpree wrote:3 loser teams want to offer Crabbe the max.... need we say more?

What's crazier though?

a) Offering a young dude like Crabbe/Fournier who haven't done much other than show flashes big $ and hoping they get better

b) Offering declining guys like Noah/Howard with tons of miles and previous injuries big $ and hoping they stay healthy and not drop off a cliff like Tyson Chandler

It's a gamble either way I guess. I'd rather gamble on YOOTS

Fournier actually put up numbers and showed he can carry an offense at times. Crabbe hasn't done that. You don't max out a spot up shooter. That's all that he's shown that he can do

Knickoftime wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:3 loser teams want to offer Crabbe the max.... need we say more?

Those same teams are going to rise the price on everyone else.

Its being reported that Sixers are going to offer H.Barnes the MAX. THE MAX!!...if all this happens, no way the Knicks get Bazemore, Noah or any top FA.

People have to adjust their calculus.

No team was ever going to walk away with 3-4 real solid players. The market was never destined to afford that opportunity.

Knicks have max cap space, so they'll get a top free agent if they want.

They're just not going to get a top free agent and 2 other really good ones too.

You don't max out Barnes. He's another role player. Philly can do that if they want. You have to manage the team not give into the market. That's the difference between good management and bad management. The spurs let go tons of guys throughout the years and found players to do what they did for a fraction of the price. That's what you do

crzymdups wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Where does it say max contract? I dont see that?

You have three teams bidding on him. Two of those teams have $50m in cap room. And he's restricted. He's a younger guy so his max starts around $17m in year 1. Which is what you said you'd pay him anyway. I'm just saying I think he will absolutely get that based on who will be bidding.

I don't love Courtney Lee - but I think he's affordable for what we can do and his skill set fits what we need from the SG spot - defense and 3pt shooting.

Been underwhelmed with the pool of available SGs. Doesn't get much better next summer. We need help, thats for sure, but part of me doesn't want to sign anyone available to a long term deal until we know what happens with Rose. Would be nice to trade for an SG, but we don't have much to offer.

Yeah I have a feeling we will wind up targeting a guard in the 2017 draft.

It'd be nice to overpay a little on a one and one deal this year. Though I don't know what our options are there.

I wouldnt mind Phil doing that if someone was available. Europe?

I haven't heard anything about that Nando de Colo guy in a while. It'd be interesting to have him to backup Rose and maybe play alongside him.

I think going two PGs would not be a bad option - Hornacek likes that look.

Wouldn't mind sliding Rose over to SG at times, see how that works, and a more traditional PG running things. I do like the idea of bringing in a project PG from Europe. Two PGs would be interesting.

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Where does it say max contract? I dont see that?

You have three teams bidding on him. Two of those teams have $50m in cap room. And he's restricted. He's a younger guy so his max starts around $17m in year 1. Which is what you said you'd pay him anyway. I'm just saying I think he will absolutely get that based on who will be bidding.

I don't love Courtney Lee - but I think he's affordable for what we can do and his skill set fits what we need from the SG spot - defense and 3pt shooting.

Been underwhelmed with the pool of available SGs. Doesn't get much better next summer. We need help, thats for sure, but part of me doesn't want to sign anyone available to a long term deal until we know what happens with Rose. Would be nice to trade for an SG, but we don't have much to offer.

Yeah I have a feeling we will wind up targeting a guard in the 2017 draft.

It'd be nice to overpay a little on a one and one deal this year. Though I don't know what our options are there.

I wouldnt mind Phil doing that if someone was available. Europe?

I haven't heard anything about that Nando de Colo guy in a while. It'd be interesting to have him to backup Rose and maybe play alongside him.

I think going two PGs would not be a bad option - Hornacek likes that look.

Wouldn't mind sliding Rose over to SG at times, see how that works, and a more traditional PG running things. I do like the idea of bringing in a project PG from Europe. Two PGs would be interesting.

what makes you think this is the role he would succeed at?

Also wrote that Id like to see how that works, not saying definitively that it would. Playing off the ball at times might make things a little easier on Rose. Right now Rose might be a more reliable scorer than playmaker.

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Where does it say max contract? I dont see that?

You have three teams bidding on him. Two of those teams have $50m in cap room. And he's restricted. He's a younger guy so his max starts around $17m in year 1. Which is what you said you'd pay him anyway. I'm just saying I think he will absolutely get that based on who will be bidding.

I don't love Courtney Lee - but I think he's affordable for what we can do and his skill set fits what we need from the SG spot - defense and 3pt shooting.

Whats affordable? He said he wants 14mm at a minimum. Also go back and watch the playoff series with GS. Crabbe gave them fits with his shooting and defense when it counted the most. He hit his shots and his size bothered GS on the perimeter--hes a big guy 6-6 probably 220-225.

yellowboy90 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Where does it say max contract? I dont see that?

You have three teams bidding on him. Two of those teams have $50m in cap room. And he's restricted. He's a younger guy so his max starts around $17m in year 1. Which is what you said you'd pay him anyway. I'm just saying I think he will absolutely get that based on who will be bidding.

I don't love Courtney Lee - but I think he's affordable for what we can do and his skill set fits what we need from the SG spot - defense and 3pt shooting.

Been underwhelmed with the pool of available SGs. Doesn't get much better next summer. We need help, thats for sure, but part of me doesn't want to sign anyone available to a long term deal until we know what happens with Rose. Would be nice to trade for an SG, but we don't have much to offer.

Yeah I have a feeling we will wind up targeting a guard in the 2017 draft.

It'd be nice to overpay a little on a one and one deal this year. Though I don't know what our options are there.

I wouldnt mind Phil doing that if someone was available. Europe?

I haven't heard anything about that Nando de Colo guy in a while. It'd be interesting to have him to backup Rose and maybe play alongside him.

I think going two PGs would not be a bad option - Hornacek likes that look.

Wouldn't mind sliding Rose over to SG at times, see how that works, and a more traditional PG running things. I do like the idea of bringing in a project PG from Europe. Two PGs would be interesting.

what makes you think this is the role he would succeed at?

Also wrote that Id like to see how that works, not saying definitively that it would. Playing off the ball at times might make things a little easier on Rose. Right now Rose might be a more reliable scorer than playmaker.

Jimmy Butler says hello. Rose wants the ball in his hands and isn't a good enough shooter to play off the ball. Playing Rose off the ball would be similar to Monta Ellis and how he is at the 2.

This