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Knicks interested in Bazemore; Bazemore expected to seek at least $16M salary in Year 1.
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Andrew
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6/29/2016  2:02 PM
fishmike wrote:PG Rose
SG Baz
SF MElo
PF KP
C Noah
Bench: Langston, Lance, Willy, Early, Seraphin and I suspect the Roberts kid makes it as PG is so thin

Don't forget Justin Holiday.

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6/29/2016  2:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/29/2016  2:04 PM
Andrew wrote:
fishmike wrote:PG Rose
SG Baz
SF MElo
PF KP
C Noah
Bench: Langston, Lance, Willy, Early, Seraphin and I suspect the Roberts kid makes it as PG is so thin

Don't forget Justin Holiday.

I would be fine with that. Except I'd want a good backup Pg. maybe Shved, Nando de Colo, DJ Augustine, Bayless (though I think he'll cost too much)

Also don't forget Plumlee and KOQ

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6/29/2016  2:12 PM
Sounds like Noah may be more of the priority.

I could see a sort of shooting guard by committee this year. Though I'd hope they get a good backup pg as Rose insurance.

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fishmike
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6/29/2016  2:19 PM
Andrew wrote:
fishmike wrote:PG Rose
SG Baz
SF MElo
PF KP
C Noah
Bench: Langston, Lance, Willy, Early, Seraphin and I suspect the Roberts kid makes it as PG is so thin

Don't forget Justin Holiday.

knew I was forgetting someone... that actually helps.

crzymdups... I think Noah should be the priority. I really love the idea of KP next to him, man that's everything Lopez brings but more, much more. Obviously he's gotta be healthy but the upside is tantalizing

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6/29/2016  2:25 PM
fishmike wrote:
Andrew wrote:
fishmike wrote:PG Rose
SG Baz
SF MElo
PF KP
C Noah
Bench: Langston, Lance, Willy, Early, Seraphin and I suspect the Roberts kid makes it as PG is so thin

Don't forget Justin Holiday.

knew I was forgetting someone... that actually helps.

crzymdups... I think Noah should be the priority. I really love the idea of KP next to him, man that's everything Lopez brings but more, much more. Obviously he's gotta be healthy but the upside is tantalizing

Yeah if he's healthy enough to be that passer in the Triangle... Tantalizing is right. As long as they don't bank on him playing more than 24mpg. I think Rose and Noah healthy with something to prove could be very interesting.

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6/29/2016  2:59 PM
Be stupid money for an average talent. New cap is $85. Melo makes what $26? Rose $21. That is $47 mil or more than half of team payroll Be lunacy to make our bed and give Bazemore $16? No thanks.

In Chicago Tribune poll , 65% think the Rose trade was a good one for Bulls despite liking Rose as a person. General refrain was sad to see him go given his roots and laments about what could have been if he never got injured but most see Lopez as a good addition with a team friendly contract that fits the financial landscape and gives them some room. Point being we cant afford to tie up $16 in the Bazemores and think we are building anything more than amore competitive run of the mill team

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6/29/2016  3:02 PM
meloanyk wrote:Be stupid money for an average talent. New cap is $85. Melo makes what $26? Rose $21. That is $47 mil or more than half of team payroll Be lunacy to make our bed and give Bazemore $16? No thanks.

In Chicago Tribune poll , 65% think the Rose trade was a good one for Bulls despite liking Rose as a person. General refrain was sad to see him go given his roots and laments about what could have been if he never got injured but most see Lopez as a good addition with a team friendly contract that fits the financial landscape and gives them some room. Point being we cant afford to tie up $16 in the Bazemores and think we are building anything more than amore competitive run of the mill team

Cap is $94m this summer and $110m next summer.

I agree $16m is too high for Bazemore. The key is to find the next Bazemore for cheap. Maybe Justin Holiday is that guy.

We still need more shooters though. I wouldn't be shocked if they got Jamal Crawford for a bench role.

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6/29/2016  3:07 PM
meloanyk wrote:Be stupid money for an average talent. New cap is $85.

$94m.

Melo makes what $26? Rose $21. That is $47 mil or more than half of team payroll Be lunacy to make our bed and give Bazemore $16? No thanks.

No different than it ever was.

General refrain was sad to see him go given his roots and laments about what could have been if he never got injured but most see Lopez as a good addition with a team friendly contract that fits the financial landscape and gives them some room.

Room to do what?

Serious question.

Some fans are so fixated on flexibility, the don't seem to care what the flexibility is for.

Chicago, Houston, Boston... these teams have been chasing "flexibility" and big name free agents for years.

Boston can't pull a trade despite the "assets" and "flexibility" they have. Wake me when they sign someone of import.

Chicago has tried for EVERYONE in free agency and has come up with Pau Gasol.

Houston made a one year run but they're about to be Harden alone on an island.

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6/29/2016  3:35 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
meloanyk wrote:Be stupid money for an average talent. New cap is $85.

$94m.

Melo makes what $26? Rose $21. That is $47 mil or more than half of team payroll Be lunacy to make our bed and give Bazemore $16? No thanks.

No different than it ever was.

General refrain was sad to see him go given his roots and laments about what could have been if he never got injured but most see Lopez as a good addition with a team friendly contract that fits the financial landscape and gives them some room.

Room to do what?

Serious question.

Some fans are so fixated on flexibility, the don't seem to care what the flexibility is for.

Chicago, Houston, Boston... these teams have been chasing "flexibility" and big name free agents for years.

Boston can't pull a trade despite the "assets" and "flexibility" they have. Wake me when they sign someone of import.

Chicago has tried for EVERYONE in free agency and has come up with Pau Gasol.

Houston made a one year run but they're about to be Harden alone on an island.

yea... the bold. Is Bazemore a $16mm player? No... not really despite market dictating it. Does spending $16mm on Bazemore move the needle for the Knicks? Does he provide several key elements the Knicks sorely need to balance their roster? He certainly could.

If you want to be ultra conservative and play FA roulette next year as well fine.. that is a legit plan. If you want to make the playoffs this year and maximize what you have on the roster than spending $32mm on Bazemore and Noah makes a whole lot of sense.

I no longer do, but for 10+ years I worked for large banks. There is a culture that is very hard to fight through there when you want to get things done. That it is simply it is better to be mediocre and collect your paycheck than make a mistake. Mistakes get one fired. Doing nothing is "looking at risk and future opportunities"
This reminds me a lot of that.

At some point you gotta **** or get off the pot. If you think the salaries are bad now wait until next year. If its one year deals fine.. wait for next year.

I will say this.. if they are all reasonably healthy Melo/Rose/Noah/KP/Bazemore with the decent bench mentioned above is a pretty freakin good squad and could certainly be in the conference finals next year. Of course there are health risks with these players... but Bazemore and KP also show a ton of upside so its not like this is as good as it gets.

This strikes me as a core than can make a nice 3 year run. When it fizzles we can reboot. KP will be 24

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Knicks interested in Bazemore; Bazemore expected to seek at least $16M salary in Year 1.

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