reub wrote:

SocraticBallin22 wrote:Question: If Mozgov started for the Knicks last year and played the same amount of minutes at Rolo, would have have comparable stats? The answer is yes. And they are about the same age. And he would come a lot cheaper than Rolo. Not a bad alternative move.

Is Kuzmic not a possibility also? GS seemed to like him.

It seems that the Knicks will have a solid bench of bigs behind KP with KOQ, Willy and possibly Plumlee or Kuzmic. I prefer Noah mainly because of his intangibles and defense. Dude is a leader rather than JAG on the roster. If people don't understand the value of that for this team they don't get what winning is about. Noah doesn't wait for something to happen he makes things happen and we need those kinds of players. Not to mention his great passing ability.

SocraticBallin22 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

reub wrote:

SocraticBallin22 wrote:Question: If Mozgov started for the Knicks last year and played the same amount of minutes at Rolo, would have have comparable stats? The answer is yes. And they are about the same age. And he would come a lot cheaper than Rolo. Not a bad alternative move.

Is Kuzmic not a possibility also? GS seemed to like him.

It seems that the Knicks will have a solid bench of bigs behind KP with KOQ, Willy and possibly Plumlee or Kuzmic. I prefer Noah mainly because of his intangibles and defense. Dude is a leader rather than JAG on the roster. If people don't understand the value of that for this team they don't get what winning is about. Noah doesn't wait for something to happen he makes things happen and we need those kinds of players. Not to mention his great passing ability.

I agree. I want Noah too, but I'm just weary about a multi-year contract for an injury riddled player who may be breaking down. I would not go more than 3 years.

Also, say if you signed Mozgov, instead of Noah, who is not nearly the defensive player, passer or veter leader that Noah is (all things we need), it would save a lot of money to address the need for a legit starting two guard and a really good backup pg for Rose, which is essential. I'm not sure if we sign Noah we could afford the other two players. Moreover, I want to keep enough salary cap space for 2017 when Rose expires to be able to sign another Max player like a Westbrook or Paul. If we use up all the 30 million this summer on multi-year deals, we wouldn't have enough even with Rose coming off the books for an elite max player. Seems like a conundrum.

Article talking about The Moz struggles this year

Mosgov is essentially Robin Lopez. Just would be available for cheaper. Put up nearly identical stats as Lopez in 2015 when starting. THIS is what I mean - if you want an average to below average starting Center, you DON'T have to pay 13.5 Million to get one. Mozzy will probably command the MLE at this point. This would be a shrewd move. He'd be the best backup Center in the league going forward, too, on a reasonable salary. Which would make O'Quinn available to free up more long-term cap space.

People talk about Noah but he's still active and should be refreshed after a long layoff. Just looking at what he did in this game it seems like he was healthy at the time and perhaps his slumping numbers were due to injury or perhaps the adjustment to playing for Hoiberg. He looked like Noah in this game tho.

home33 wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'd rather give minutes to Marshall Plumlee before paying Moz to play C. We need quicker and more agile bigs now. Moz has looked slow and relatively useless against more fast paced teams.

People talk about Noah but he's still active and should be refreshed after a long layoff. Just looking at what he did in this game it seems like he was healthy at the time and perhaps his slumping numbers were due to injury or perhaps the adjustment to playing for Hoiberg. He looked like Noah in this game tho.

Noah would be a fine pickup...for a reasonable short-term contract though. Guy is a serious risk. But I agree. Is he really healthy though?

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:did mozgov get any playing time at all in the playoffs? whats the deal there? Something smells funny.

I'm not sure about his defense. 82games has his opponent production (which is standardized to 15.0 like PER) at 19.8 this year and 20.9 last year. Both were the worst on the team among regular rotation players.
According to nba.com player tracking data, though, the man he guarded shot only 44.3% (compared to his opponents' season averages of 47.6). So it's hard to know what to make of the data but I thought I'd add this info. here. It's hard to know what to conclude when different pieces of data contradict each other.

also, since teams are going smaller, guys like him are getting phased out (on both offense and defense).

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:did mozgov get any playing time at all in the playoffs? whats the deal there? Something smells funny.

I'm not sure about his defense. 82games has his opponent production (which is standardized to 15.0 like PER) at 19.8 this year and 20.9 last year. Both were the worst on the team among regular rotation players.
According to nba.com player tracking data, though, the man he guarded shot only 44.3% (compared to his opponents' season averages of 47.6). So it's hard to know what to make of the data but I thought I'd add this info. here. It's hard to know what to conclude when different pieces of data contradict each other.

also, since teams are going smaller, guys like him are getting phased out (on both offense and defense).

I hope the Knicks don't go the same route.