home33 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:My thing is when do we start actually winning for today? Everything is next year and 3 years from now.... the Knicks have an opportunity to win in 2016. Get down or lay down

buddy - you win from within. impatient fans are why dolan "starphucked" the team into the 6th circle of hell. sounds like you're "laying down" for mediocrity and treadmilling. I'm getting down for home-grown brew, something to be proud about. Not this circle-jerk Super-Friends 4-year plan fiasco the league has turned into.

my "thing" is I'd like contention for a decade, not 2 years. As a fan, I have integrity. I don't wanna freaking poach players, I don't wanna collude, I don't wanna see guys flopping on MY court.

Knicks need to completely rebuild. But they won't. Look at the Wolves...no one's laughing now.

I'd not about being impatient or doing what we did the last 15 years.... you want contention 10 years....what do you expect to happen to achieve that? Phil secured cap flexibility and we have all our draft picks going forward. I'd say we are covered for the next 10 years. We don't have to drag our feet for 3 years just to start winning. We don't need to be looking at 2030.

We can win this year with Melo, KP, Rose and 2 free agent signings. That's not being impatient. Farming fit draft picks doesn't always work either. Ask Philly and Sacramento.

So like I said why can't we win today? We sin guys to manageable contracts luke we been doing and we all have call flexibility and all of our draft picks.

ROBINSON: draft
DUNCAN: draft
PARKER: draft
MANU: draft
LEONARD: draft

*holds breath* FINGER LICKIN, FINGER LICKIN, FINGER LICKIN.......GOOOOOOOOOOD.

EnySpree wrote:
I'd not about being impatient or doing what we did the last 15 years.... you want contention 10 years....what do you expect to happen to achieve that? Phil secured cap flexibility and we have all our draft picks going forward. I'd say we are covered for the next 10 years. We don't have to drag our feet for 3 years just to start winning. We don't need to be looking at 2030.

We can win this year with Melo, KP, Rose and 2 free agent signings. That's not being impatient. Farming fit draft picks doesn't always work either. Ask Philly and Sacramento.

So like I said why can't we win today? We sin guys to manageable contracts luke we been doing and we all have call flexibility and all of our draft picks.

Ask Philly? Are you serious dude? That moronic team wasted a year and a pick on a guy with screws in his foot. They are NOT an example that holds up for your jumbled up theory. They have a core of Okafor, Saric, Simmons, Noel, a boatload of picks, tons of cap space, and they will and should continue to fake it til' they make it.

Sacramento? The poorly run organization that can't even tank right? Whose owner ignores experts and drafts players by himself?

No, these are terrible examples.

Spurs, Thunder. THAT'S how you maximize losing. Yea, luck's involved. Except when you keep getting "lucky" it's preparation. I'll take 3 years of mud-crawling if it means 10 years of contention.

What you're looking at is fool's gold.

You have it ass backwards. See my previous post about the last 2 legit superstars to sign with other teams. You could count'em on one hand, have enough fingers remaining to pleasure a girl and twirl a plate all at the same time.

CrushAlot wrote:

home33 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:My thing is when do we start actually winning for today? Everything is next year and 3 years from now.... the Knicks have an opportunity to win in 2016. Get down or lay down

buddy - you win from within. impatient fans are why dolan "starphucked" the team into the 6th circle of hell. sounds like you're "laying down" for mediocrity and treadmilling. I'm getting down for home-grown brew, something to be proud about. Not this circle-jerk Super-Friends 4-year plan fiasco the league has turned into.

my "thing" is I'd like contention for a decade, not 2 years. As a fan, I have integrity. I don't wanna freaking poach players, I don't wanna collude, I don't wanna see guys flopping on MY court.

Knicks need to completely rebuild. But they won't. Look at the Wolves...no one's laughing now.

What is your former user name?

Apparently lurking = excuse for paranoia.

CrushMoreThanAlot was my original. I think the question is - since you copied my username...who are you?

Crush2? CrushJr? Does that make me your daddy? YOU'RE PEDRO MARTINEZ. Knew it.

Detectiving over here y'all.

home33 wrote:

martin wrote:

home33 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:My thing is when do we start actually winning for today? Everything is next year and 3 years from now.... the Knicks have an opportunity to win in 2016. Get down or lay down

buddy - you win from within. impatient fans are why dolan "starphucked" the team into the 6th circle of hell. sounds like you're "laying down" for mediocrity and treadmilling. I'm getting down for home-grown brew, something to be proud about. Not this circle-jerk Super-Friends 4-year plan fiasco the league has turned into.

my "thing" is I'd like contention for a decade, not 2 years. As a fan, I have integrity. I don't wanna freaking poach players, I don't wanna collude, I don't wanna see guys flopping on MY court.

Knicks need to completely rebuild. But they won't. Look at the Wolves...no one's laughing now.

but they have been laughing for decades and the jury still out. Next year they'll still be completing to not make the lottery.

I don't quite understand the notion of completely rebuild. What didn't the Knicks do to get that status besides resign Melo? Multiple years in the lottery?

They've been laughing at the team that was run worse than the Knicks and has a running meme of "KHANNNN!"?

Yea...and? They couldn't draft to save their lives. They've learned from being stupid. They got rid of idiotic front office employees. The owner's less involved. A half-blind dog could see they have the brightest future in the NBA. They can do whatever they want. The world is their oyster.

I don't understand your last sentence at all. Do you not understand the concept of rebuild? The Knicks gave up lottery picks? And sucked. Don't do that for starters? 2017 Draft > 2017 FA.

You win from within. That's the concept.

Im talking about recent history regarding the rebuild. KP forward. How is is that NOT regarded as a rebuild?

home33 wrote:By the way, to anyone that foolishly disagrees - just look at the shining example that is the Spurs.

ROBINSON: draft
DUNCAN: draft
PARKER: draft
MANU: draft
LEONARD: draft

*holds breath* FINGER LICKIN, FINGER LICKIN, FINGER LICKIN.......GOOOOOOOOOOD.

Take a look at Sacramento: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAC/draft.html They been in the lottery for 9 straight years. What have they don't with that?

Look at Philly: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/draft.html They been at or around the lottery since Iverson was on the team

I don't know what you LICKIN off your fingers, but brush your teeth and wash your hands

home33 wrote:

martin wrote:Im talking about recent history regarding the rebuild. KP forward. How is is that NOT regarded as a rebuild?

So you think losing several lottery picks, then reaching the semis, then getting the 4th pick, then losing another lottery pick, and trading away the previous year's 1st round pick who was acquired for the previous year's 1st round pick is rebuilding?

How IS that rebuilding exactly?

Its the hand that was dealt. Phil got us back on track

EnySpree wrote:
Take a look at Sacramento: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAC/draft.html They been in the lottery for 9 straight years. What have they don't with that?

you typo like a rabid dog. chill.

they "been" drafting how high in the lottery pal? highest was 4th. as I said, since you can't read, THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO TANK PROPERLY.

They dealt Tyreke (their highest draft pick).
They dealt Biyombo.
They dealt Stauskus.
They dealt Hawes.
They dealt T Robinson (5th overall)

Not only can't they tank right, they just give up good players left and right without grooming them properly. Drafted Isaiah Thomas, dealt him too. Probably gonna' deal Cousins imminently.

Look at Philly: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/draft.html They been at or around the lottery since Iverson was on the team

That's BS. They "been" in the lottery for about the past 4 years. Stop being disingenuous, son. And they're tanking right, they just f'd up by draftin a massive risk in Embiid. He's Oden 2.0. That set them back as it did the Blazers. They just got Simmons. They got rid of a robotic GM who treated players like carnival prizes. They're starting to build the right kind of infrastructure of and off the court.

I don't know what you LICKIN off your fingers, but brush your teeth and wash your hands

A.) To answer your question...your mother.

B.) Ironically I just got out of the bath. So I've retroactively "brushed my teeth and washed my hands". My butt too.

C.)Apparently you're an idiot. I was being hilarious. It's a riff off the KFC commercial. Not sure what the hell brushing my teeth or washing my hands has anything to do with a joke. I mean besides having no sense of humor, your basketball acumen sucks.

Mrs. Spree says hi by the way.

nyknickzingis wrote:
Ok and look at the Cavs or Lakers or Mavs team that won a ring or rings.

Orrrrrr you could look at all the teams? Random as hell.

Cavs

Lebron signed in free agency
Irving drafted
Love traded for
Smith traded for
Thompson drafted

- snipped bla bla -

2/5 of your starters being drafted, one of them an All-Star and your 2nd best playoff performer. Sounds good to me Frank. You're getting greedy here pally. Lebron is the massive exception to the rule. He's a serial colluder.

Lakers

Kobe drafted
ANDREW BYNUM DRAFTED
Gasol traded for
Odom traded for
Fisher was signed as a free agent
Ron Artest signed as a free agent

1 of top 5 players drafted, and this team went to 3 straight Finals

I thought this site would have smart people. Apparently it's full of liars. Andrew Bynum? You forgetting their All-Star center? Or Fisher...who was DRAFTED by the Lakers the same year as Kobe and came back as a Free Agent on a sweetheart deal? Or the fact that their MVP best player was really the only one I cared to have mentioned? Wtf are you talking about exactly?

Mavs

Nowitzki drafted
Chandler traded for
Terry traded for
Kidd signed as free agent
Marion sign/traded for as free agent

Again like Lakers one drafted player here in top 5

No, unlike the Lakers they have 1 significant player drafted. And that player is a top 15 player of all time and the only damn reason they won it in the first place. THAT'S THE WHOLE DAMN POINT OF THE ARGUMENT!

Heat

Bosh in free agency
Lebron in free agency
Ray Allen in free agency
Wade was drafted
Charmers was drafted

Thats 4 championship teams built or constructed around 1 or draft picks. Rest were free agents or trade moves to put together the top 5.

Nothing you said is remotely close to factual, or even consistent with what you ACTUALLY typed out. This is scary.

You LITERALLY proved my point FOR ME. What in holy hell??? Every single championship team drafted a SIGNIFICANT player, in addition to role players. And you're using the piss-poor example of James who colludes and team-jumps and forms super teams? THAT'S your pathetic attempt to pin the balloon? Ugh.

C'mon man. Porzingis - we don't even know what his ceiling is. Is he KG, is he Gasol, is he just a big Kirilenko? It's not like a superstar RIGHT NOW. It's not like he won ROY or was in consideration for the All-NBA Team. I like having 2 bullets in my gun at least. Not 1.

nixluva wrote:Knicks are not abandoning the Future. Phil has clearly stated that his approach is to have a Present and Future component. This trade has set the Knicks up for having a legit PRESENT and at the same time he's still gonna have a lot of young players in development along with KP. Phil is trying to make a run over the next few years that Melo has left and it will still be before KP reaches his prime.

That's a mighty fine tightrope you except him to walk.

nyknickzingis wrote:I hope Martin and the mods deal with your tune it is uncalled for.
As for your responses.

I hope Martin and the mods deal with your tattle-tale childish behavior and backseat modding. It's beyond uncalled for, and childish.

Also - it's TONE. T-O-N-E. Not tune. Tune is the melody to a song.

I do have the facts.

You don't have the facts. And that's a fact. You're about to lie...

Andrew Bynum was not a top 5 important player in their runs. Go ask a Laker fan. I made a mistake Ron Artest was not on all their best teams, but Trevor Ariza was and he was a starter on a championship team. He was traded for.

Their All-Star starting Center, who averaged near a double double with close to 2 blocks a game, who would go on to be voted to the All NBA 2nd Team before injuries derailed him, who was traded for Dwight Howard...was not one of their 5 most important players.

I DON'T LIKE YOUR TONE. IT'S CONDESCENDING. IM TATTLING. WAH. NO BUT SERIOUSLY, I DON'T NEED TO ASK LAKER FANS, THAT'S THE DUMBEST REVISIONST HISTORY I'VE EVER HEARD IN MY LIFE . YOU INCLUDE MARIO CHALMERS BUT NOT ANDREW BYNUM. YOU'RE A GENIUS.

Of course you need the draft. Even today, we have drafted talent. Our most valuable piece is from the draft in KP. However you can not rely on the draft when it is not available to you. 2 of Phil Jacksons 3 drafts have been without a lottery pick due to moves made before. You have to try and improve other ways then. That is why Knicks made the Rose trade and will try to rebuild the core again this summer. If you look at it, vs last year, we have once again made major changes. We had 3 new starters last year. We will likely have 3 new ones this year again. The team is changing and shifting, rebuilding. Just not through the draft lottery.

Phil Jackson championship teams built through the draft:

Bulls - Jordan, Pippen, Grant, Kukoc, Armstrong

Lakers - Kobe, Fisher, Bynum, D George

Ironic you mention the Gasol trade since it was MARC GASOL (drafted by LA) that precipitated that move.