newyorker4ever wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Howard is a passive aggressive version of JR Smith. If Im going to sign a 30 year old, I would rather go after Holford. Pretty sure there will be a lot less drama, and Im guessing that he would fight harder for a ring. Howard still has no low post game to speak of, Holford does. Ideally, I would rather sign more players on the way up than on the way down.

If you read my original post it says if we CAN'T get Noah, Horford or P.Gasol would you like us to sign Howard.

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Howard is a passive aggressive version of JR Smith. If Im going to sign a 30 year old, I would rather go after Holford. Pretty sure there will be a lot less drama, and Im guessing that he would fight harder for a ring. Howard still has no low post game to speak of, Holford does. Ideally, I would rather sign more players on the way up than on the way down.

YES YES!!! And 1. I dont think anyone disagrees.. Al/KP would be simply tantalizing on both ends. Coaches dream the schemes you can run on both ends.

Dwight is #2 though.. and you start talking right away to him. Tell Horford he's our #1 and if it leaks we are talking to Dwight tell Horford the truth! But man... if we cant get Horford and I have no reason to think we could, than Dwight is realistic option that I think we simply have to take a shot at. That squad gets hot they can go all the way

IDK Fish, giving someone like Howard unlimited access to the NY press feels like giving a pharmacy to a drug addict. Im not so sure that a ring is all that important to him. Can we sign him on a week to week contract? lol.

It would have to be a reeeal short deal for me to want to risk it. I dont believe KP would turn into a Dwight Howard clone if he was his wingman, but he's not exactly the guy I want to see having a hand in mentoring him. Nothing long term, that's for sure.

Go big. Swing for the fences... yea, we need a fat pitch, but for once the fence is close enough to reach. Dwight = taking a home run swing. Even if it failed I can respect that.

fishmike wrote:Horford is smarter signing. Singing Dwight has more upside.

and a LOT more downside

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:What D.Howard brings on the court is exactly what we need on this team but his character issues make him look like a bad signing. The guys is an absolute beast at rebounding and is still a good defender and has a good offensive game around the basket and his biggest problem is obviously shooting free throws but it sounds like the NBA will be doing something about the whole hack a shaq thing so that will help his game.

If we can't get J.Noah, A.Horford or P.Gasol and i put Howard and Whiteside on the same level then i wouldn't mind taking a chance on D.Howard as long as Phil and Melo/Rose have a talk with him and get him to take a step back on his character issues and stop whining all the time. He can still be a big help to a team with his game.

So how much would you be for or against signing D.Howard??

For: Max or close to it.

Against: More than 1 year.

My only concern with not giving him the 4 years is he breaks down so fast nobody will touch him. Even if he's a PITA I fully believe we can move him easily. 98 mph fastball. Unless he play 50 games gives you 8/8 and shoots 48% we will be fine I think.

I'm more concerned with the character issues you well document.

If he wants to turn over a new leaf, he's got to walk it, not just talk in in July.

Jackson to Howard: "Rose in on a one year deal. You do it too. You guys bust your ass, play nice with KP and Melo, make a postseason run, we'll bring ya back, improve the supporting cast and we'll all go after it for 4 years together."

Otherwise, no.

sure... that sounds nice but its not real world. Because we do want Dwight and that chance is worth it, so your above speech is a bluff.

The topic was presented as a question of opinion.

If that is unrealistic (likely so) and Howard says "no" to one year (again, likely), then the Knicks shouldn't sign him, is my answer/opinion.

There are other options.

martin wrote:

fishmike wrote:Horford is smarter signing. Singing Dwight has more upside.

and a LOT more downside

Dwight and Whiteside seem to be roughly the same risk. Whiteside has higher return. And takes a key player from another East team. I believe in Jax ability to connect with big ego players. I worry a little about Horny's.

I really see KP playing the role of Channing Frye in Horny's offense. Really makes him the center. Still have room for a rugged PF. Teams seem to need versatility which KP gives. If they could convince Whiteside and Bazemore to come over, I'm all in. Comes down to two starting spots and $35mm.

crzymdups wrote:Free agent center rankings:

1) Horford
2) Noah
3) Mahimi
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99) Trash can
100) Unwashed socks
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125) Dwight

Ah Horford will cost 4 years 120 mm. Mahini is going to cost 4 years and 60-70mm. If Dwight wants to be a knick so bad let him take a 1 year 15 mm contract. I'm more interested in Gasol than Dwight. I'd give Gasoline 1 year and 18mm

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:If Dwight was willing to take a 1 year 15 mm contract. I'd take him

I doubt he's gonna do that and doubt he's gonna take any kind of 1 year prove yourself deal but it would be nice if he did.

Hey if he wants to be a Knick prove you want to be here. You're right he won't take it but that's all I'm offering

martin wrote:

fishmike wrote:Horford is smarter signing. Singing Dwight has more upside.

and a LOT more downside

Rebounds Per Game Leaders - Qualified
RK	PLAYER	                TEAM	GP	MPG	OFF	ORPG	DEF	DRPG	REB	RPG	RP48
1	Andre Drummond, C	DET	81	32.9	395	4.9	803	9.9	1198	14.8	21.6
2	DeAndre Jordan, C	LAC	77	33.7	267	3.5	792	10.3	1059	13.8	19.6
3	Hassan Whiteside, C	MIA	73	29.1	238	3.3	627	8.6	865	11.8	19.5
 	Dwight Howard, C	HOU	71	32.1	238	3.4	597	8.4	835	11.8	17.6
5	DeMarcus Cousins, C	SAC	65	34.6	158	2.4	589	9.1	747	11.5	16.0

fwk00 wrote:Howard has already expressed interest and I have to believe its sincere.
He's been around the block and seen nothing but frustration.

If he's smart he should sign at say $15M just to create a super team like Lebron did in Miami. Get the ring, then figure out the finances going forward next year. He can't be hurting for money after all this time.

Sure would be fun to watch.