crzymdups wrote:I'm on board with the Rose trade. Every realistic option we had in free agency was a risk: Conley (injury), Rondo, Jennings, etc.

It does seem like Phil is going all in. Will he sign Noah? Horford? Shiver... Dwight?

It'll be interesting.

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I remember being told to "chill" when I (among others) said that Fisher was a bad hire. Heard the same thing about Rambis "he's fine". Heard the same thing when I said that Phil needed to be more hands on, regardless of what his rookie coach wanted.

Phil admitted he stayed too far away, he admitted by hiring Hornacek, that Rambis was not "fine".

You guys need to chill, some of us have been more right about Phil's moves than you have.

+sixtillion

so is Jeff a bad hire now? Thats my question to you.. He's got roster input. This doesnt happen if he says no, I want Rolo and Grant. He said yes... get me Rose. So if reneg on the Jeff hire? Sour on it now?

I liked the hire but I hate this move ... unless I'm missing something. See? It does not have to be the party line all the time. You can like a move if you think it is a good one and not like one etc ...

You still have not made any sense of this move and neither have I.

if there is a point to chill the phuck out you just wrote it. Neither of us can because we dont have their info!

This has nothing to do with the party line.. Im not nix. I mean the first move with the new coach's input is an epic failure, which by the way I find it interesting that only Knick fans feel that way. I dont like the trade myself, not one bit but I have no clue what the big picture or plan or long term plan is.

ok ... so you think this looks terrible but your are hoping (like me) that we are missing something? Fair enough.

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I remember being told to "chill" when I (among others) said that Fisher was a bad hire. Heard the same thing about Rambis "he's fine". Heard the same thing when I said that Phil needed to be more hands on, regardless of what his rookie coach wanted.

Phil admitted he stayed too far away, he admitted by hiring Hornacek, that Rambis was not "fine".

You guys need to chill, some of us have been more right about Phil's moves than you have.

+sixtillion

so is Jeff a bad hire now? Thats my question to you.. He's got roster input. This doesnt happen if he says no, I want Rolo and Grant. He said yes... get me Rose. So if reneg on the Jeff hire? Sour on it now?

I liked the hire but I hate this move ... unless I'm missing something. See? It does not have to be the party line all the time. You can like a move if you think it is a good one and not like one etc ...

You still have not made any sense of this move and neither have I.

if there is a point to chill the phuck out you just wrote it. Neither of us can because we dont have their info!

This has nothing to do with the party line.. Im not nix. I mean the first move with the new coach's input is an epic failure, which by the way I find it interesting that only Knick fans feel that way. I dont like the trade myself, not one bit but I have no clue what the big picture or plan or long term plan is.

ok ... so you think this looks terrible but your are hoping (like me) that we are missing something? Fair enough.

This may certainly fail, but Rose is not Marbury, Steve Francis or Bargs

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I'm on board with the Rose trade. Every realistic option we had in free agency was a risk: Conley (injury), Rondo, Jennings, etc.

It does seem like Phil is going all in. Will he sign Noah? Horford? Shiver... Dwight?

It'll be interesting.

This is really my take. I am mostly fascinated. Only guy I have real attachment to on this roster is KP. I would like to see Melo succeed in NY after everything that has happened since he was traded for but if he was traded in a good deal life goes on.

Yeah, agreed. I also have a feeling they got word from agents about the intentions of guys like Conley. And I feel like I prefer DRose to Rondo or Jennings.

This was a bold move. If it succeeds we get to the playoffs and maybe make a run. If it fails we get a lotto pick in 2017 and maybe Melo asks for a trade to the Clippers.

There's downside, but it's not like we mortgaged the future. It either works and it's great or it doesn't and it is reload in 2017.

If we sign Dwight, I may sing a different tune. But I think it's more likely we sign Noah and some guards and are a fun and entertaining team with some decent upside.

Even as he played last season, when he had an eye issue and chemistry problems in Chicago, DRose is better than any PG we've had since the early Marbury days.

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I remember being told to "chill" when I (among others) said that Fisher was a bad hire. Heard the same thing about Rambis "he's fine". Heard the same thing when I said that Phil needed to be more hands on, regardless of what his rookie coach wanted.

Phil admitted he stayed too far away, he admitted by hiring Hornacek, that Rambis was not "fine".

You guys need to chill, some of us have been more right about Phil's moves than you have.

how about hiring JEff? Good? Bad?

I like the hire, said it was the second I heard it.

do you still? Knowing he wanted this deal done?

I really doubt that Hornacek was the driving force in this deal. Im judging Jeff on what he does as a coach, that's it. I doubt Hornacek has veto power as he just got here, better to get on board and try to make it work. If he is genuinely happy, hope Jeff isn't happy enough to want to give Rose the max, lol.

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I remember being told to "chill" when I (among others) said that Fisher was a bad hire. Heard the same thing about Rambis "he's fine". Heard the same thing when I said that Phil needed to be more hands on, regardless of what his rookie coach wanted.

Phil admitted he stayed too far away, he admitted by hiring Hornacek, that Rambis was not "fine".

You guys need to chill, some of us have been more right about Phil's moves than you have.

+sixtillion

so is Jeff a bad hire now? Thats my question to you.. He's got roster input. This doesnt happen if he says no, I want Rolo and Grant. He said yes... get me Rose. So if reneg on the Jeff hire? Sour on it now?

I liked the hire but I hate this move ... unless I'm missing something. See? It does not have to be the party line all the time. You can like a move if you think it is a good one and not like one etc ...

You still have not made any sense of this move and neither have I.

if there is a point to chill the phuck out you just wrote it. Neither of us can because we dont have their info!

This has nothing to do with the party line.. Im not nix. I mean the first move with the new coach's input is an epic failure, which by the way I find it interesting that only Knick fans feel that way. I dont like the trade myself, not one bit but I have no clue what the big picture or plan or long term plan is.

ok ... so you think this looks terrible but your are hoping (like me) that we are missing something? Fair enough.

terrible? No. We need scoring. We need a lead guard. This is a short term gamble. There are no looming lottery picks owed. I dont like it no.. I thought Grant was ready to take a next step, I thought we should get a pick back, but Knick fans are the only ones man... media, Bulls fans, neutrals people... all are like damn... they gave away Rose for nothing. What do you make of that? Did you read the Bulls threads on realGM? Go take a look... they are sick. There are about 20% who are like "he was done, lets move on" and the rest are like we got hosed, or this is going to ruin us. Also they go on an on about how this is one of the hardest working guys out there.

This may certainly fail, but Rose is not Marbury, Steve Francis or Bargs

rose is exactly those guys but maybe worse.

chicago is having the same reaction that we did when we got lopez ... ignorant

who's we? I liked that signing. Just cause Briggs posted it 80k doesnt make him "we"

we means many here ... check the threads

and still, everyone has been posting about moving him

fishmike wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

LMAO

Right on dude... god that song rings in your head for days, and of course Ive watched that flick 100x with my kids

Now I can't get it out of my head.....

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I remember being told to "chill" when I (among others) said that Fisher was a bad hire. Heard the same thing about Rambis "he's fine". Heard the same thing when I said that Phil needed to be more hands on, regardless of what his rookie coach wanted.

Phil admitted he stayed too far away, he admitted by hiring Hornacek, that Rambis was not "fine".

You guys need to chill, some of us have been more right about Phil's moves than you have.

+sixtillion

so is Jeff a bad hire now? Thats my question to you.. He's got roster input. This doesnt happen if he says no, I want Rolo and Grant. He said yes... get me Rose. So if reneg on the Jeff hire? Sour on it now?

I liked the hire but I hate this move ... unless I'm missing something. See? It does not have to be the party line all the time. You can like a move if you think it is a good one and not like one etc ...

You still have not made any sense of this move and neither have I.

if there is a point to chill the phuck out you just wrote it. Neither of us can because we dont have their info!

This has nothing to do with the party line.. Im not nix. I mean the first move with the new coach's input is an epic failure, which by the way I find it interesting that only Knick fans feel that way. I dont like the trade myself, not one bit but I have no clue what the big picture or plan or long term plan is.

When u play chess.....u think several moves ahead. But if u only play checkers.....then its hard to see past the one move. Phil seems to be a chess player....and I wasn't a phil fan. But I'm starting to come around.

Initially this move stinks......just like sacrificing your queen looks bad at first....until you get a checkmate 3 moves later.

Before the trade my sources said Rose is one piece to a line of additional moves to follow, which should make us major players in the east. What happens if Rose balls out and excepts a pay cut next year to allow other stars to follow.

This went from a so so move.....to a win....win...move.

My new sig is F ing perfect timing. Knick fans whine about anything and everything.

blkexec wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I remember being told to "chill" when I (among others) said that Fisher was a bad hire. Heard the same thing about Rambis "he's fine". Heard the same thing when I said that Phil needed to be more hands on, regardless of what his rookie coach wanted.

Phil admitted he stayed too far away, he admitted by hiring Hornacek, that Rambis was not "fine".

You guys need to chill, some of us have been more right about Phil's moves than you have.

+sixtillion

so is Jeff a bad hire now? Thats my question to you.. He's got roster input. This doesnt happen if he says no, I want Rolo and Grant. He said yes... get me Rose. So if reneg on the Jeff hire? Sour on it now?

I liked the hire but I hate this move ... unless I'm missing something. See? It does not have to be the party line all the time. You can like a move if you think it is a good one and not like one etc ...

You still have not made any sense of this move and neither have I.

if there is a point to chill the phuck out you just wrote it. Neither of us can because we dont have their info!

This has nothing to do with the party line.. Im not nix. I mean the first move with the new coach's input is an epic failure, which by the way I find it interesting that only Knick fans feel that way. I dont like the trade myself, not one bit but I have no clue what the big picture or plan or long term plan is.

When u play chess.....u think several moves ahead. But if u only play checkers.....then its hard to see past the one move. Phil seems to be a chess player....and I wasn't a phil fan. But I'm starting to come around.

Initially this move stinks......just like sacrificing your queen looks bad at first....until you get a checkmate 3 moves later.

Before the trade my sources said Rose is one piece to a line of additional moves to follow, which should make us major players in the east. What happens if Rose balls out and excepts a pay cut next year to allow other stars to follow.

This went from a so so move.....to a win....win...move.

Rose has made it more than clear that he is looking to get paid and if Phil pays him, more than likely we are screwed IMO. I am thinking several moves ahead, thats why this move has the potential to be a complete disaster. If Phil traded Lopez for a quality big who he thought would be a better fit with this new offense, I would be on board with that. Who is Phil going to get to replace him? Phil doesnt know for sure. We gave up a known commodity, a quality big in his prime, and a prospect, for players Phil doesn't know for sure he can sign. This franchise has had a horrendous track record of attracting FAs. Would love that streak to end though.

The difference between now and seasons past is that we now have a possible future franchise player. KP had the ideal wingman, unselfish, plays hard, produces, has shown this season he can put up big numbers in a heartbeat. Lots of teams have cap room. Not many had the frontcourt we did. We have cap room but few assets (as Walt pointed out) this is like building a team Xbox style.

GustavBahler wrote:I remember being told to "chill" when I (among others) said that Fisher was a bad hire. Heard the same thing about Rambis "he's fine". Heard the same thing when I said that Phil needed to be more hands on, regardless of what his rookie coach wanted.

Phil admitted he stayed too far away, he admitted by hiring Hornacek, that Rambis was not "fine".

You guys need to chill, some of us have been more right about Phil's moves than you have.

Amen. You' always seem to bring levity and the right perspective to these discussions.