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Malcolm
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6/21/2016  6:07 PM
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BRIGGS wrote:The MLE is 4 years 34 mm so if we want Williams back that's probably the figure. I'm not sure how this is good for the Knicks. Basically we're getting the same player for double the cash

Id like to keep Williams, our rotation up front is very solid with him involved. I wonder with a longer deal if he will stay motivated to get better

Excellent point . . . that I minimized in my post.
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6/21/2016  6:07 PM
Malcolm wrote:
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BRIGGS wrote:The MLE is 4 years 34 mm so if we want Williams back that's probably the figure. I'm not sure how this is good for the Knicks. Basically we're getting the same player for double the cash
Its not. Nobody said this is good for the Knicks. Even AA opting out hurts some... could have def moved him for something in the draft

He hurts because its another season and where you primarily have to revamp half the roster for the 3rd straight off season. Another season trying to build chemistry, a new coach, and a some what new system..

Why is this so hard to understand (?)

Williams is an important piece of what the Knicks are building --
especially if they are still a Triangle team.

You don't just go out and get a Triangle replacement like
ordering from a menu.

I'd say he's a high priority to keep.

I can't believe anyone else is will pay him more than what he
is worth to the Knicks.

So pay it . . . and then turn to fixing the guards.


You don't build a TITLE team by worrying about players like DWILL. I really like him but this team needs STARTERS that can play at an elite level. You focus on those players 1st and then if you can't bring back a player like DWILL, then you try to find a cheap version of him in the Draft or UDFA's. Focus on long term IMPACT players 1st and you'll be able to find or develop role players.
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6/21/2016  6:48 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:The MLE is 4 years 34 mm so if we want Williams back that's probably the figure. I'm not sure how this is good for the Knicks. Basically we're getting the same player for double the cash
Its not. Nobody said this is good for the Knicks. Even AA opting out hurts some... could have def moved him for something in the draft

He hurts because its another season and where you primarily have to revamp half the roster for the 3rd straight off season. Another season trying to build chemistry, a new coach, and a some what new system..

Just another excuse for a poor season.

The Suns won 25 more games when Hornacek became their new coach. I am sure there are more factors involved but I think Hornacek is a huge improvement over the 'continuity' the Knicks would have had if they kept Fisher or Rambis. The Knicks added 3 new starters to the 54 win team in 12-13. If you upgrade the coach and upgrade the talent significantly it can't be seen as a step back. You don't sweat not keeping a guy that came off the bench if you are a 33 win team.
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6/21/2016  6:50 PM
Malcolm wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:The MLE is 4 years 34 mm so if we want Williams back that's probably the figure. I'm not sure how this is good for the Knicks. Basically we're getting the same player for double the cash
Its not. Nobody said this is good for the Knicks. Even AA opting out hurts some... could have def moved him for something in the draft

He hurts because its another season and where you primarily have to revamp half the roster for the 3rd straight off season. Another season trying to build chemistry, a new coach, and a some what new system..

Why is this so hard to understand (?)

Williams is an important piece of what the Knicks are building --
especially if they are still a Triangle team.

You don't just go out and get a Triangle replacement like
ordering from a menu.

I'd say he's a high priority to keep.

I can't believe anyone else will pay him more than what he
is worth to the Knicks.

So pay it . . . and then turn to fixing the guards.

Most pieces on a 33 win team are replaceable. I liked Williams but I don't think he is a huge loss if the Knicks don't keep him.
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6/21/2016  7:04 PM
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martin wrote:
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fishmike wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:The MLE is 4 years 34 mm so if we want Williams back that's probably the figure. I'm not sure how this is good for the Knicks. Basically we're getting the same player for double the cash
Its not. Nobody said this is good for the Knicks. Even AA opting out hurts some... could have def moved him for something in the draft

He hurts because its another season and where you primarily have to revamp half the roster for the 3rd straight off season. Another season trying to build chemistry, a new coach, and a some what new system..

Just another excuse for a poor season.

Not really, that's just your poor outlook getting in the way of things.

The Knicks are rebuilding. That means couple of new players every year until they are a playoff team and then a contender. Get used to it and enjoy the process.

the last time I heard someone it's not about the playoffs it's about the process, they got fired a week later.

martin you know darn well flipping your roster every season is a recipe for disaster. You need to cut it.....out

This is only a GOOD thing for this team! AA was not the long term solution and we need that money for FA. DWILL was a nice player and if we can't bring him back on a reasonable contract I don't view it as a major loss. There are going to be young athletic players that could give this team similar production for less money.
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6/21/2016  7:27 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Most pieces on a 33 win team are replaceable. I liked Williams but I don't think he is a huge loss if the Knicks don't keep him.
So what wonderful, extraordinary all-star player do you have backing
up Anthony at SF for the Knicks if you let Williams go (?)

Fact: last year there were ONLY 8 small forwards in the NBA who played as
many minutes as Williams and had a higher PER.

And he has a year of crucial Triangle experience now.

You want good players on this team . . . or not (?)

You want continuity on this team . . . or not (?)

What wonderful, extraordinary all-star player do you have backing
up Anthony at SF for the Knicks if you let Williams go (?)
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6/21/2016  8:05 PM
Malcolm wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Most pieces on a 33 win team are replaceable. I liked Williams but I don't think he is a huge loss if the Knicks don't keep him.
So what wonderful, extraordinary all-star player do you have backing
up Anthony at SF for the Knicks if you let Williams go (?)

Fact: last year there were ONLY 8 small forwards in the NBA who played as
many minutes as Williams and had a higher PER.

And he has a year of crucial Triangle experience now.

You want good players on this team . . . or not (?)

You want continuity on this team . . . or not (?)

What wonderful, extraordinary all-star player do you have backing
up Anthony at SF for the Knicks if you let Williams go (?)

I guess will see. Williams was not seen as a good signing at the time. He definitely played well for the Knicks but they were a 33 win team that is rebuilding. If the money is right for both parties he probably is brought back but the Knicks.
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6/21/2016  9:09 PM
Malcolm wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Most pieces on a 33 win team are replaceable. I liked Williams but I don't think he is a huge loss if the Knicks don't keep him.
So what wonderful, extraordinary all-star player do you have backing
up Anthony at SF for the Knicks if you let Williams go (?)

Fact: last year there were ONLY 8 small forwards in the NBA who played as
many minutes as Williams and had a higher PER.

And he has a year of crucial Triangle experience now.

You want good players on this team . . . or not (?)

You want continuity on this team . . . or not (?)

What wonderful, extraordinary all-star player do you have backing
up Anthony at SF for the Knicks if you let Williams go (?)


It's not about DWILL at this point. I was one of the few guys who was high on his prospects with the Knicks, however, I put his return lower on the list of priorities than 2 impact starters at PG and SG. IMO you focus on the starting lineup and then worry about the role players you have behind them.
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6/21/2016  11:17 PM
The Knicks still have an interest in signing Williams to a new deal, sources said. Williams’ athleticism and versatility at a small forward position in demand on the market are expected to give him significant options this summer. 9 hours ago – via Yahoo! Sports
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6/21/2016  11:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/21/2016  11:32 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
The Knicks still have an interest in signing Williams to a new deal, sources said. Williams’ athleticism and versatility at a small forward position in demand on the market are expected to give him significant options this summer. 9 hours ago – via Yahoo! Sports

Hes a complete player that doesn't know how to play. I think he enjoyed playing in the triangle because it showed him how to play basketball. I'd love to have him back too but the Knicks are trying to get better. There are plenty of players out there that can fill in as the back up small fwds on the cheap. Jared Dudley comes to mind

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6/22/2016  1:13 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/22/2016  1:14 AM
EnySpree wrote:There are plenty of players out there that can fill in as the back up small fwds on the cheap.
Name ONE . . . just ONE . . . such SF with Triangle experience.

For heaven's sake (!)

Too many Knick fans seem to be forgetting that basketball players . . .
and TRIANGLE basketball players . . . are not the same thing.

Re-signing Derrick Williams is an important priority.

Why go two steps forward (new guards) and then go one step back
(lose Williams) (?)

Developing good Triangle players is not easy. Don't lose the ones you
already got . . .
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6/22/2016  1:39 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:The MLE is 4 years 34 mm so if we want Williams back that's probably the figure. I'm not sure how this is good for the Knicks. Basically we're getting the same player for double the cash
Its not. Nobody said this is good for the Knicks. Even AA opting out hurts some... could have def moved him for something in the draft

He hurts because its another season and where you primarily have to revamp half the roster for the 3rd straight off season. Another season trying to build chemistry, a new coach, and a some what new system..

Just another excuse for a poor season.

Not really, that's just your poor outlook getting in the way of things.

The Knicks are rebuilding. That means couple of new players every year until they are a playoff team and then a contender. Get used to it and enjoy the process.

the last time I heard someone it's not about the playoffs it's about the process, they got fired a week later.

martin you know darn well flipping your roster every season is a recipe for disaster. You need to cut it.....out

Wake up, that's not what's happening.

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6/22/2016  3:55 AM
I think D Will isnt fitting in Knicks locker room, he is good player but i think he wants more attention than he will get with Knicks.

in Latvian TV interview KP said there is some guys in locker room that is not very friendly with him, i think D Will was one of them.
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6/22/2016  5:57 AM
Gudris wrote:I think D Will isnt fitting in Knicks locker room, he is good player but i think he wants more attention than he will get with Knicks.

in Latvian TV interview KP said there is some guys in locker room that is not very friendly with him, i think D Will was one of them.

Wow. KP usually takes the high road. Interesting stuff.
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Malcolm wrote:
EnySpree wrote:There are plenty of players out there that can fill in as the back up small fwds on the cheap.
Name ONE . . . just ONE . . . such SF with Triangle experience.

For heaven's sake (!)

Too many Knick fans seem to be forgetting that basketball players . . .
and TRIANGLE basketball players . . . are not the same thing.

Re-signing Derrick Williams is an important priority.

Why go two steps forward (new guards) and then go one step back
(lose Williams) (?)

Developing good Triangle players is not easy. Don't lose the ones you
already got . . .

I did name a player in the next sentence. Jared Dudley...

Also in the post that you are quoting I said I would love to have Derrick Williams back but not at the price he's going to command.

I hate repeating stuff I just typed. You want to call people out but can't read your way out of your own ass

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