EwingsGlass wrote:

franco12 wrote:YES

I think we have to be realistic and plan with our target being 3-5 years down the line, not this season. It's just like aiming at a moving target - you have to lead or you miss.

What is our goal? Mediocrity, a possible 8 seed for the next few years, wasting Melo's last few years of meaningful production?

Great, then maybe signing Rondo & some other FA is the best approach- because best case is we replicate our 54 win team- which was one and down and then crashed and burned when our vets ran out of gas.

Or, are we trying to build a championship caliber roster? KP is one part of that roster, but we're missing pillars, and the only way to get those is to land a top pick - not a mid round pick.

Honestly, I kinda hope the Cavs win & LeBron goes to LAC and we trade Melo there for Griffin & do a proper reset & rebuild.

In the absence of adding a KD or Lebron, I think the chances of winning it all is like catching lightning in a bottle. Look, Dallas never added superstar talent next to Dirk and they pulled a chip, so did Detroit, but those teams are much rarer than this obsession with three stars. It's a three star league. Golden State has a system and a unicorn. That system has good players looking great. And a great player looking legendary. I still believe in system basketball, I just think the system needs superstars to compete these days. You put stars into system ball and you get a dynasty.

Does Cleveland even run a system? It's called give it to Lebron and get the phuck out the way! Maybe throw a pick to get a mismatch like when Lebron had the smaller Curry on him.

Same with OKC with KD and Westbrook. ISO city. I don't mind ISO if it leads to easy buckets with a dish to a cutter or efficient fast paced offense, not that Woodson clear out dribble 20 second garbage.

The pride of Jackson, Melo, KP, Lopez, and others will not allow for a tank at this point.

Maybe if the team made that 3 way trade with the Cavs and Suns you would see an "unintentional tank" as young players went through their rites of passage, but there is no way that this franchise is going to do a Hinke.

WaltLongmire wrote:Knicks are not going to tank unless both KP and Melo are out for the season with injuries.

The pride of Jackson, Melo, KP, Lopez, and others will not allow for a tank at this point.

Maybe if the team made that 3 way trade with the Cavs and Suns you would see an "unintentional tank" as young players went through their rites of passage, but there is no way that this franchise is going to do a Hinke.

callmened wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Just saying, if you got frozen out of FA, would you tank again to make use of that draft pick we have next year? Save all that cap space for next year. You'd walk into the next free agency with a ton of money, a lotto pick an older Melo with 2 years left on his contract, Rolo with two years left, and older and stronger KP, one more year on Grant...

Would have to suffer through another year, but that squad, a lotto pick and 50mm in cap space would be dangerous...

People say we don't need stars, but every team doing well has three stars. We have 1 and a rising star.

Durant would be a game changer. Derozan might be. Lebron would be. Not much else that would guaranty us as real contenders this year. Odds are less than 10% we get any of these guys.

Feels like loser talk, but would you give up one more year to put us in the best possible position for the next 5?

Ps. Do not turn this into a trade Melo thread. Trade Kicker + No Trade Clause = #Me7o4Life

this is what ive been saying FOR A LONG TIMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE lol

not necesarily tank...but dont spend desperate money trying to lure a free agent...justdraft a gratPG

callmened wrote:i concur - the goal shouldnt be to tank. despite being devoid a good talent, these guys work too hard. my only point was dont go overspending on starPhucks just to get an older PG. save money and build thru the draft

What exactly do you consider an older point guard or what's too old for you to sign to a 4 year contract?? The way i see it a point guard like M.Conley or R.Rondo or any point guard will be able to play at the same level at 30 that they can play at at 34. Everyone says if a player is 30 then they're getting old which is hilarious cause yes they're getting old just like anyone but they can still play basketball at a top level at 30, 31, 32, 33, 34 and even 35 so i don't give a damn about any player that's GETTING old, i just don't want the ones that are already old which is after 34/35.

Nalod wrote:I advocate we not tank, but more important Starphuck!
Have a plan and stick to it.

Agreed. Tanking is not the answer for anyone. Stick with what we have, add young talent when possible, and develop it together.

fishmike wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Knicks are not going to tank unless both KP and Melo are out for the season with injuries.

The pride of Jackson, Melo, KP, Lopez, and others will not allow for a tank at this point.

Maybe if the team made that 3 way trade with the Cavs and Suns you would see an "unintentional tank" as young players went through their rites of passage, but there is no way that this franchise is going to do a Hinke.

exactly... and they will simply be a better team. While many of us had higher expectations for last year many things *did* go right... such as being a .500 team trending upward before MElo went down, KP's improving game, Grant showing good things late, Lopez had a fantastic post all star 2nd half... This team is trending upwards in a big way. Tanking isnt even in the discussion. Even if Melo or KP went down I would expect us to be pretty competitive, and we havent drafted a player or signed a FA

We have a lot of people underestimating this team. Adding JH and his uptempo system and system that players are gonna love playing in makes us a better team. Melo will be Melo, KP will be even better, Rolo will be the same or better and we have Wroten and Grant who should both strive in this uptempo system. I really hope we can bring back both L.Thomas and D.Williams who will both be great pieces off the bench along with having Willy here who should also be a good piece off the bench. We're a good team before we even make any additions and with the right additions whether it be a really good player like a Conley. Rondo or Derozan or if we add players a step down like Crabbe or C.Lee or B.Jennings we'll be even better.

newyorker4ever wrote:

callmened wrote:i concur - the goal shouldnt be to tank. despite being devoid a good talent, these guys work too hard. my only point was dont go overspending on starPhucks just to get an older PG. save money and build thru the draft

What exactly do you consider an older point guard or what's too old for you to sign to a 4 year contract?? The way i see it a point guard like M.Conley or R.Rondo or any point guard will be able to play at the same level at 30 that they can play at at 34. Everyone says if a player is 30 then they're getting old which is hilarious cause yes they're getting old just like anyone but they can still play basketball at a top level at 30, 31, 32, 33, 34 and even 35 so i don't give a damn about any player that's GETTING old, i just don't want the ones that are already old which is after 34/35.

ok. i prefer my PGs younger than 30.

i wouldve LOVED to have rondo and conley 6 yrs ago. more importantly i want a PG who is on the same timeline as KP.

thats what i prefer.but im not set on that. if we get conley this yr and more free agents want to come thats GREAT! i just doubt that will happen. Specifically i doubt conley will sign with the knicks and 2ndly even if he did, i doubt the knicks win 45-50 games (no supporting cast) and lastly, even if they did, im not sure free agents would look at the knicks as a destination to be

overall, i dont trust free agents. at least not right now. why? because the knicks arent good! to me, until proven otherwise, a solid equivalent is the sacremento kings. they have talent (boogie, gay) but iffy role players and more importantly iffy management/owner. (obviously these arent PERFECT equivalents 1. NYC is the best city in the world 2. phil makes the staff here more competent)

callmened wrote:phil and coach JH will NOT tank!!! nor should they!

all im saying is i hope we dont go all out paying max contracts to older PGs like conley and rondo in an effort to win now. id rather be patient for next yrs crop of young PGs in the draft

It's hard to know exactly who they'll end up with but I suspect they will add a vet PG that is older than Grant but younger than Jose. That's their stated goal. They may not blowout all their cap space this summer tho. So far Phil has been fairly thrifty and protective of his cap space.

Moonangie wrote:We can't tank. We need to see where we actually stand so Phil can determine the best course forward. If Melo gets hurt, THEN we will tank by default.

But if Melo is relatively healthy and the Knicks win as many games as possible, we end up winning maybe 35-40 games, slide into the 8th seed and BLOW our only shot at getting a suitable running mate for KP for the next 10 years...

The 2017 NBA Draft is supposed to be PHUCKING STACKED. An all time rated recruiting class from Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, etc...

http://www.nbadraft.net/2017mock_draft

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/

You want your wing for the next decade you got it. You want your elite 2 guard you got it. You want your modern day franchise point guard, you got it.

We don't tank this year, our franchise is doomed. We need to be top 5 to get our stud, can't do that by just floating around .500 being mediocre.