BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:I just watched a draft special on CBS Sports Network and they're not has high on Valentine as you are Briggs. They're not down on him but a couple of them said it wouldn't surprise them if in 5 years he wasn't in the NBA but also could see him playing 10 years if he works on his game enough so going by them i don't see him going #8 but these aren't the guys that will be drafting so who knows.

No this mock isn't where I think a player will go rather my personal value on them

So this is how you have them ranked on how good of players you think they'll be at the next level?

Yes

That's gotta be hard to do not knowing where each player will be playing next season cause many could easily be put on a team that doesn't fit their skill set and they end up being busts like many others have.

BRIGGS wrote:

To me no brainer #1. When you can shoot like that--when you have the ability to make plays with the dribble you're near 6-5 athletic smart and only 19--you have a really good chance to be great. This is no different that drafting Devin Booker who looking back is a top 3 pick.

I love D.Booker and wish he was a Knick.

Ill go like this top 30

#1 Jamal Murray--the alpha dog shot maker. Less athletic Kobe Bryant--his game is made for the NBA. Advanced skills in every dept. Can shoot out to 30 feet with high consistency but also has slash and drive skills. Can play lead guard--ultimate combo guard. Good not great athletic ability. Can finish at or above rim. Good size and length. To me hes a no brainer #1 there is no question to me that hes going to be a good-great NBA player and will be an immediate impact player.

#2 Branden Ingram--very long athletic player with KD like skills--dribble drive shoot. Versatile on both ends. Gets to the rim with the dribble and spin moves with ease using his length. Nice shot out to three. I question his intensity a bit.

#3 Buddy Hield--Shocking transformation from junior to senior year. Added muscle speed and has excellent body control. He has Steph Curry like 3 point ability--high volume high consistency 3 point game. Under rated slash agility and athleticism. Explosive potential in any game. Needs to work the middle game. Should be an immediate NBA impact spacer

#4 Ben Simmons Unique PF with PG skills. Position intensity and shooting an issue? Athletic skilled and big

#5 Marquesse Criss---Amare Stoudemire type PF with upper tier NBA athletic with some range out to 3.Has better defensive potential than Amare. Has a possibility of being the best player in the draft.

#6 Kriss Dunn--If he had a higher basketball IQ and a more consistent J hed easily go #1. Explosive long powerful PG with high level athletic ability Somewhere in the John Wall mold

#7 Wade Baldwin PG who resembles Russell Westbrook long arms great finisher good 3 point shootre lacks PG intangibles

#8 Denzel Valentine--I knew hed drop in the pro workouts. Its pretty simple--if a team can utilize his skills as a PG--you're going to get a really nice 8 pick. If they dont or hes a bad fit--he could end up as a really decent role player. Lacks explosion but has deceptive speed with the ball innate passer ball mover great shot maker(can he do it in the pros?) lengthy rebounder. This guy passes the ball like Larry Bird--see's the court like few do. Intangibles leadership

#9 Malik Beasley--combination of great 2 guard skill with elite athletic ability. Great shooter as a freshmen paired with tier 1 athletic ability. Can handle the ball and make some plays with the dribble. Very decent defender with more potential here. Maybe a tad skinny--needs body to mature work on ballhandling--decision making Has big time potential

#10 Dejounte Murray--this is going off course for me because hes not a plus outside shooter yet. I like the Shaun Living ston comparison here. Long athletic PG with explosive scoring ability. Hes a jumpshot and 15 hard pounds away from being a decent force. Extreme length handle and body control allows him to slither to hoop and finish at or above rim. Excellent rebounder for his size. Is going to need to utilize playmaking skills more in the pros. Hes a project year 1

#11 Jaylen Brown F--Boom/bust potential. He looks great he looks lost. Has some similar characteristics to Stanley Johnson--big F with really great athletic ability and some dribble drive game. Hes going to have to develop his skills--if he doesnt hell be a good role player. If he can improve the handle and shot---much higher potenial
#12 Damian Jones--Derrick Favors Andre Drummond like mold. 6- 11.5 245 with 37 inch vertical. Will develop into a reasonable force in a 4-1 set. Shows a lot of potential in pick and roll. he can shoot it post and a decent offensive rebounder. Springs Very decent defender with NBA rim protection ability. Needs to rebound better work on post footwork intensity court awareness

#13 Jakob Poetl- good fundamental C Good post player with high efficiency offense. Very decent passer. Good length but somewhat weak base. Disappears at times. Lacks explosion

#14 Malcolm Brogdon 6-5 225 G Going off the sentiment reader again Consistent hard working two way player who has a 40-90% 3 + 2 FT potential. Has some dribble drive game with incredible strength and long arms. Good passer ACC defensive and player player of the year. Adequate rebounder but could improve there. Lacks an NBA first step slow to the hoop

#15 Thon Maker--KP like potential at 7-1 220 with range to 30 feet extreme length and athletic ability. Ball handling skills defensive ability. Raw

#16 A J Hammons-- Hes got a lot of Andrew Bynum in him. True center power at 7-0 +270 with long arms. I expect immediate impact in summer league and play off the bench year 1 pros . Best rim protector in draft class. Excellent post moves for the NBA today. Really nice range out to the 3 ball land. Excellent rebounder on both ends his hands always seem to meet the ball. Has all the skills. His body has improved but still needs refinement. His whole gig will be intensity and motor. If he plays hard hes going to be good if he doesnt hell be a back up or even a bust.

#17 Diamond Stone--6-11 260 Mobile for such a big guy good motor with good two way skills. Hes an NBA player for sure moves well for such a big guy and can hit his FT's Has some Zach Randolph in him

#18 Dragen Bender--I personally do not think hes a better PF prospect than Maker. I dont think he shoots it that well--he proved little against the top tier guys--I think hes much more Euro than KP. Hes a good ball handler hes lengthy skilled but there are red flags. Raw no way will he produce anything like a first year KP.

19 Anthony Barber- Jeff Teague/Tony Parker like potential. Ultra quick PG with size with great mid range and driving skills. Plays a tad below the rim which hurts him a bit. Is incredible in space with speed ballhandling and body control. Will need to hit the three a bit more effectively and use his playmaking skills a tad more. Lacks high baksetball IQ but his physical speed hides it. Needs improvement on D--needs to work hard using his speed to stay in front of his man.

#20 Dayotona Davis Horace Grant like PF with great physical characteristics needs developmental time

#21 Damatas Sabonis 6-10 F Will be solid and play right away off the bench. Tier 1 rebounder great hands plays hard. Good post moves agile for his size. Lacks explosion and lateral quickness.

#22 Demetrius Jackson--has some Tim Hardaway in his game. Short compact yet explosive can finish above the rim easily. His shooting dipped this year as he became the man--but his game is made for the NBA. Needs to increase his playmaking ability in the pros. Very decent defender

#23 Kay Felder PG 5-9 185 Best pure PG in draft but lacks size. Incredible athlete in combination with great basketball skills. Warrior mentality great speed with the ball. Could and will need to improve and soften that three point shot great FT shooter bounces off players with power. If he was 6-2 hed go pick #1.

#24 Brice Johnson--Id have him in the lottery IF he didnt weigh 210 with 0 3 point ability. Springy player with great length touch great rebounder excellent athletic ability above the rim player.

#25 Ben Bentil---Paul Millsap like mobile F with range out to 3 advanced offensive skills with good defensive intensity. Good post player(can he do the same in the pros?) A little light in the rebounding dept lacks explosion.

#26 Skal Labrieesse 6-11 220 Lengthy skilled F with rim protecting ability Has some Channing Frye in his game. Low production in college. Can shoot with range. A little frail.
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#27 Patric McCaw--Has some Paul George to him--could be a heck uva steal down the line. Great length at 6-7 good rebounder solid shooter good passer with elite level defensive capabilities--one of the best defenders in the draft. Needs strength badly. This is a great pick here.

#28 Derrick Jones--under rated player whoi needs developmental time. A top 3 athlete in the draft has the potential to move to 6-7 big time potential with good development

#29 Henry Ellenson 6-11 245 Nice combination of size and skill can play 4-5

#30 Deandre Bembry G 6-6 210 Multi skilled F with high basketball IQ good body who does it all has some Scottie Pippen in him--lacks a good outside shot

Rd 2
31 Michael Gbinjie 6-7 220
32 Bryn Forbes 6-3 180
33 Georges Niang 6-8 230
34 Cheik Diallo 6-9 245
35 Malachi Richardson 6-5 210
36 Josh Adams 6-2 190 ph
37 Steve Zimmerman 7-0 225
38 Taurean Prince SF 6-7 220
39 Tyler Ullis 5-9 160 PG
40 Robert Carter Jr 6-9 250 F
41 Wayne Selden 6-6 230 Sg
42 Zhou Qi 7-1 220 F
43 Perry Ellis F 6-8 230
44 Shellan Mcllelan G 6-5 200
45 Isiah Whitehead PG 6-4 210
46 Jake Layman F 6-9 225
47 Jarred Uthoff 6-9 210 SF
48 Isiah Miles 6-8 220 F/G
49 Caris Lavert G 6-7 200
50 Daniel Hamilton G 6-8 200
51 Zach Auguste PF/C 6-10 245
52 Miles Plumlee 7-0 250
53 Kyle Wiltjer 6-10 240
54 Gary Payton Jr 6-3 190 G
55 Yogi Ferrell 6-0 180
56 Paskal Siakam F 6-10 230
57 Josh Scott PF 6-10 245
58 Troy Williams F 6-7 210
59 Ryan Andersen F 6-9 235
60 James Webb 6-8 200

Nalod wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Last mock version moved Wade Baldwin to 7

Ill go like this top 30

#1 Jamal Murray--the alpha dog shot maker. Less athletic Kobe Bryant--his game is made for the NBA. Advanced skills in every dept. Can shoot out to 30 feet with high consistency but also has slash and drive skills. Can play lead guard--ultimate combo guard. Good not great athletic ability. Can finish at or above rim. Good size and length. To me hes a no brainer #1 there is no question to me that hes going to be a good-great NBA player and will be an immediate impact player.

#2 Branden Ingram--very long athletic player with KD like skills--dribble drive shoot. Versatile on both ends. Gets to the rim with the dribble and spin moves with ease using his length. Nice shot out to three. I question his intensity a bit.

#3 Buddy Hield--Shocking transformation from junior to senior year. Added muscle speed and has excellent body control. He has Steph Curry like 3 point ability--high volume high consistency 3 point game. Under rated slash agility and athleticism. Explosive potential in any game. Needs to work the middle game. Should be an immediate NBA impact spacer

#4 Ben Simmons Unique PF with PG skills. Position intensity and shooting an issue? Athletic skilled and big

#5 Marquesse Criss---Amare Stoudemire type PF with upper tier NBA athletic with some range out to 3.Has better defensive potential than Amare. Has a possibility of being the best player in the draft.

#6 Kriss Dunn--If he had a higher basketball IQ and a more consistent J hed easily go #1. Explosive long powerful PG with high level athletic ability Somewhere in the John Wall mold

#7 Wade Baldwin PG who resembles Russell Westbrook long arms great finisher good 3 point shootre lacks PG intangibles

#8 Denzel Valentine--I knew hed drop in the pro workouts. Its pretty simple--if a team can utilize his skills as a PG--you're going to get a really nice 8 pick. If they dont or hes a bad fit--he could end up as a really decent role player. Lacks explosion but has deceptive speed with the ball innate passer ball mover great shot maker(can he do it in the pros?) lengthy rebounder. This guy passes the ball like Larry Bird--see's the court like few do. Intangibles leadership

#9 Malik Beasley--combination of great 2 guard skill with elite athletic ability. Great shooter as a freshmen paired with tier 1 athletic ability. Can handle the ball and make some plays with the dribble. Very decent defender with more potential here. Maybe a tad skinny--needs body to mature work on ballhandling--decision making Has big time potential

#10 Dejounte Murray--this is going off course for me because hes not a plus outside shooter yet. I like the Shaun Living ston comparison here. Long athletic PG with explosive scoring ability. Hes a jumpshot and 15 hard pounds away from being a decent force. Extreme length handle and body control allows him to slither to hoop and finish at or above rim. Excellent rebounder for his size. Is going to need to utilize playmaking skills more in the pros. Hes a project year 1

#11 Jaylen Brown F--Boom/bust potential. He looks great he looks lost. Has some similar characteristics to Stanley Johnson--big F with really great athletic ability and some dribble drive game. Hes going to have to develop his skills--if he doesnt hell be a good role player. If he can improve the handle and shot---much higher potenial
#12 Damian Jones--Derrick Favors Andre Drummond like mold. 6- 11.5 245 with 37 inch vertical. Will develop into a reasonable force in a 4-1 set. Shows a lot of potential in pick and roll. he can shoot it post and a decent offensive rebounder. Springs Very decent defender with NBA rim protection ability. Needs to rebound better work on post footwork intensity court awareness

#13 Jakob Poetl- good fundamental C Good post player with high efficiency offense. Very decent passer. Good length but somewhat weak base. Disappears at times. Lacks explosion

#14 Malcolm Brogdon 6-5 225 G Going off the sentiment reader again Consistent hard working two way player who has a 40-90% 3 + 2 FT potential. Has some dribble drive game with incredible strength and long arms. Good passer ACC defensive and player player of the year. Adequate rebounder but could improve there. Lacks an NBA first step slow to the hoop

#15 Thon Maker--KP like potential at 7-1 220 with range to 30 feet extreme length and athletic ability. Ball handling skills defensive ability. Raw

#16 A J Hammons-- Hes got a lot of Andrew Bynum in him. True center power at 7-0 +270 with long arms. I expect immediate impact in summer league and play off the bench year 1 pros . Best rim protector in draft class. Excellent post moves for the NBA today. Really nice range out to the 3 ball land. Excellent rebounder on both ends his hands always seem to meet the ball. Has all the skills. His body has improved but still needs refinement. His whole gig will be intensity and motor. If he plays hard hes going to be good if he doesnt hell be a back up or even a bust.

#17 Diamond Stone--6-11 260 Mobile for such a big guy good motor with good two way skills. Hes an NBA player for sure moves well for such a big guy and can hit his FT's Has some Zach Randolph in him

#18 Dragen Bender--I personally do not think hes a better PF prospect than Maker. I dont think he shoots it that well--he proved little against the top tier guys--I think hes much more Euro than KP. Hes a good ball handler hes lengthy skilled but there are red flags. Raw no way will he produce anything like a first year KP.

19 Anthony Barber- Jeff Teague/Tony Parker like potential. Ultra quick PG with size with great mid range and driving skills. Plays a tad below the rim which hurts him a bit. Is incredible in space with speed ballhandling and body control. Will need to hit the three a bit more effectively and use his playmaking skills a tad more. Lacks high baksetball IQ but his physical speed hides it. Needs improvement on D--needs to work hard using his speed to stay in front of his man.

#20 Dayotona Davis Horace Grant like PF with great physical characteristics needs developmental time

#21 Damatas Sabonis 6-10 F Will be solid and play right away off the bench. Tier 1 rebounder great hands plays hard. Good post moves agile for his size. Lacks explosion and lateral quickness.

#22 Demetrius Jackson--has some Tim Hardaway in his game. Short compact yet explosive can finish above the rim easily. His shooting dipped this year as he became the man--but his game is made for the NBA. Needs to increase his playmaking ability in the pros. Very decent defender

#23 Kay Felder PG 5-9 185 Best pure PG in draft but lacks size. Incredible athlete in combination with great basketball skills. Warrior mentality great speed with the ball. Could and will need to improve and soften that three point shot great FT shooter bounces off players with power. If he was 6-2 hed go pick #1.

#24 Brice Johnson--Id have him in the lottery IF he didnt weigh 210 with 0 3 point ability. Springy player with great length touch great rebounder excellent athletic ability above the rim player.

#25 Ben Bentil---Paul Millsap like mobile F with range out to 3 advanced offensive skills with good defensive intensity. Good post player(can he do the same in the pros?) A little light in the rebounding dept lacks explosion.

#26 Skal Labrieesse 6-11 220 Lengthy skilled F with rim protecting ability Has some Channing Frye in his game. Low production in college. Can shoot with range. A little frail.
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#27 Patric McCaw--Has some Paul George to him--could be a heck uva steal down the line. Great length at 6-7 good rebounder solid shooter good passer with elite level defensive capabilities--one of the best defenders in the draft. Needs strength badly. This is a great pick here.

#28 Derrick Jones--under rated player whoi needs developmental time. A top 3 athlete in the draft has the potential to move to 6-7 big time potential with good development

#29 Henry Ellenson 6-11 245 Nice combination of size and skill can play 4-5

#30 Deandre Bembry G 6-6 210 Multi skilled F with high basketball IQ good body who does it all has some Scottie Pippen in him--lacks a good outside shot

Rd 2
31 Michael Gbinjie 6-7 220
32 Bryn Forbes 6-3 180
33 Georges Niang 6-8 230
34 Cheik Diallo 6-9 245
35 Malachi Richardson 6-5 210
36 Josh Adams 6-2 190 ph
37 Steve Zimmerman 7-0 225
38 Taurean Prince SF 6-7 220
39 Tyler Ullis 5-9 160 PG
40 Robert Carter Jr 6-9 250 F
41 Wayne Selden 6-6 230 Sg
42 Zhou Qi 7-1 220 F
43 Perry Ellis F 6-8 230
44 Shellan Mcllelan G 6-5 200
45 Isiah Whitehead PG 6-4 210
46 Jake Layman F 6-9 225
47 Jarred Uthoff 6-9 210 SF
48 Isiah Miles 6-8 220 F/G
49 Caris Lavert G 6-7 200
50 Daniel Hamilton G 6-8 200
51 Zach Auguste PF/C 6-10 245
52 Miles Plumlee 7-0 250
53 Kyle Wiltjer 6-10 240
54 Gary Payton Jr 6-3 190 G
55 Yogi Ferrell 6-0 180
56 Paskal Siakam F 6-10 230
57 Josh Scott PF 6-10 245
58 Troy Williams F 6-7 210
59 Ryan Andersen F 6-9 235
60 James Webb 6-8 200

Was wondering your comments/impressions from the draft in the aftermath of it. I know you did a lot of work on it.

I think from what Ive seen things have held to form.