nixluva wrote:

callmened wrote:i have no problem with hornecek. i wouldve preferred vogel or thibs - but i have no problem with hornecek. the knicks issue is lack of talent - specifically in the back court. that's what would impress me with phil

That is PRECISELY why I created this thread!!! Phil is aware of the situation with the Backcourt and the way the Knicks play the game is going thru a change of focus. Phil hiring Hornacek is an admission that Phil realizes he needs to adapt to the times. He needs a coach that has the right mix of BB IQ and temperament to lead this team.

The roster is going to change!!! 3pt shooting will be a bigger part of what this team does along with more spacing, faster tempo and PnR!

Phil Jackson says 3-point shooting has changed the spacing of today's NBA. He suggests at an American Express event that the triangle still has a place in the NBA but that the spacing may need to be adjusted due to the 3-point shot.

http://espn.go.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0531637359842696488-4

Hallelujah! This is all I ever wanted from Phil. The acknowledgment that the Triangle needed to be tweaked for the modern era and way the rules work. Rambis would never have acknowledged this. Hornacek knows this already. And he said something VERY similar in his first press conference. I feel like Phil and Hornacek are on the same page, but JH may already be influencing Phil in positive directions. They're simpatico and Phil trusts him enough to grow and adapt the Triangle. GSW's 73wins and second straight title may also have influenced it... but this is all good to me.

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

callmened wrote:i have no problem with hornecek. i wouldve preferred vogel or thibs - but i have no problem with hornecek. the knicks issue is lack of talent - specifically in the back court. that's what would impress me with phil

That is PRECISELY why I created this thread!!! Phil is aware of the situation with the Backcourt and the way the Knicks play the game is going thru a change of focus. Phil hiring Hornacek is an admission that Phil realizes he needs to adapt to the times. He needs a coach that has the right mix of BB IQ and temperament to lead this team.

The roster is going to change!!! 3pt shooting will be a bigger part of what this team does along with more spacing, faster tempo and PnR!

Phil Jackson says 3-point shooting has changed the spacing of today's NBA. He suggests at an American Express event that the triangle still has a place in the NBA but that the spacing may need to be adjusted due to the 3-point shot.

http://espn.go.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0531637359842696488-4

Hallelujah! This is all I ever wanted from Phil. The acknowledgment that the Triangle needed to be tweaked for the modern era and way the rules work. Rambis would never have acknowledged this. Hornacek knows this already. And he said something VERY similar in his first press conference. I feel like Phil and Hornacek are on the same page, but JH may already be influencing Phil in positive directions. They're simpatico and Phil trusts him enough to grow and adapt the Triangle. GSW's 73wins and second straight title may also have influenced it... but this is all good to me.

yes ... it validates that the crappy triangle that we saw over the last couple of years has to change and I don't know what got phil to move in this direction but I am happy he did. I hope he really lets jh do his thing.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

callmened wrote:i have no problem with hornecek. i wouldve preferred vogel or thibs - but i have no problem with hornecek. the knicks issue is lack of talent - specifically in the back court. that's what would impress me with phil

That is PRECISELY why I created this thread!!! Phil is aware of the situation with the Backcourt and the way the Knicks play the game is going thru a change of focus. Phil hiring Hornacek is an admission that Phil realizes he needs to adapt to the times. He needs a coach that has the right mix of BB IQ and temperament to lead this team.

The roster is going to change!!! 3pt shooting will be a bigger part of what this team does along with more spacing, faster tempo and PnR!

Phil Jackson says 3-point shooting has changed the spacing of today's NBA. He suggests at an American Express event that the triangle still has a place in the NBA but that the spacing may need to be adjusted due to the 3-point shot.

http://espn.go.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0531637359842696488-4

the roster is gonna change and JH will definitely try things and he is a smart guy but there is a very good chance that they will get the wrong players or under achieve. Probably more than 50 : 50 yet you are speaking as if its a foregone conclusion that it will happen and as a poster mentioned that JH will wave his wand and voila!

Yes, I like phils decision this time (finally), I have higher hopes for success but based on what they have right now, they won't be very good and they may make some good signings and they may swing and miss. This is about making the right choices and also getting very lucky.

I think you need to read what I wrote again!!! I never said anything about JH Magically making the right choices! Here's the thing tho, it is a distinct possibility and much better than 50/50 that they will IMPROVE the roster in terms of 3pt shooting, speed and driving ability!!!

Phil already took a step in that direction and just look at the young players he's targeted so far in the upcoming draft. Big Athletic, 3pt shooting guards and wings for the most part. He's clearly looking for players that can IMPROVE the team at the Guard and Wing spots. How those moves ultimately work out is unknown but the direction is what I've been talking about. Don't put words in my mouth.

the whole league is looking for these said players ... they may become a better 3 point shooting team or they may be worse. It depends who they get and how they do. I would not say that it is a MUCH better than 50/50 chance that they will improve their 3 point shooting (%). I do think that there is a better than 50/50 chance that they will increase their 3 point attempt rate and reduce the number of silly long 2's that they take.

Put it this way, if we our starting backcourt is grant and wroten next season then our 3% is almost guaranteed to get worse.

Nalod wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Nalod wrote:Hey, IM happy with JH. But this Nixluva sales pitch is all exciting but when I go to the cupbard im not finding the Splash brothers, I see Grant, Galloway and Jose.
Wroten is a project who we have no idea about.
I expect our guard play to improve with JH, but Im not getting a chubbie like Nixluva from Kerrs inspiration.
IM excited that Melo is better than Draymond (offensively) and GodZingis is beyond compare from any team thus mentioned.
I'll wait until September to evaluate the roster. Maybe we can stop talking about Shved?

WOW! It's like you just ignored all the things i've posted previously!!! You're focusing on the roster and what it doesn't have right now and i'm telling you that the presence of Hornacek will influence the direction of the team from here on. Phil knows this.

This isn't about the Splash Brothers!!! Hornacek had quality guards and wings that could run, penetrate, pass and shoot. Clearly he's gonna be asking Phil for those types of players because that's what he believes in. You've got to go and read more of Hornacek's philosophies on the game. He's not going to abandon them. It's how he sees the game and he will gradually push this franchise in that direction. JH being a guard sees things from that perspective and he's gonna be riding our guards like Secretariat. LOL.

Phil won't come out and say it but he's also recognizing the need to move in that direction. This is demonstrated by Kerr the man he originally wanted, Luke the man he coveted but couldn't get and Hornacek who is the inspiration to Kerr and the direction he went with the Warriors. Hornacek is not going to play slow it down, pack it in the paint basketball. That's going to require more team speed and shooting.

You really think you in his head don't you!

Everything I've posted is supported by statements from Hornacek and Phil. Also look at the players they've been working out and interviewing. Guards and Wings! Many of them being athletic and strong scorers, 3pt shooters etc. Just read the interviews JH has done and he clearly states how he views the game and the type of players he prefers. Phil will not ignore him but rather try his best to give Horny the kind of players he wants and needs.

No special mind reading is actually necessary when you have in depth statements.

Dagger wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:If I mentioned here that Jax fired Fisher 7 days after Horny became a free agent, would this conspiracy take more validity? Could it be seen as an indicator to Horny not to take another job in the meantime? Would you be impressed that nothing hit the press on this? Or is it just coincidence?

Hornacek said he never spoke a word to phil before Phil reached out to him this spring when the coaching search began, so I doubt they had some under the table agreement in place once JH became available. And even if there was an agreement, that would not be a reason to fire Fisher in the middle of the season as opposed to the end. The fact that Phil fired Fisher halfway through the season is evidence that Phil just no longer had confidence in Fisher's ability to lead the team according to Phil's vision.

I never said under the table agreement. Horny becomes available and then Jax fires Fisher. I just said that it sent a signal. I mean, it was that time of year anyway. Just interesting to me.

EwingsGlass wrote:

Dagger wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:If I mentioned here that Jax fired Fisher 7 days after Horny became a free agent, would this conspiracy take more validity? Could it be seen as an indicator to Horny not to take another job in the meantime? Would you be impressed that nothing hit the press on this? Or is it just coincidence?

Hornacek said he never spoke a word to phil before Phil reached out to him this spring when the coaching search began, so I doubt they had some under the table agreement in place once JH became available. And even if there was an agreement, that would not be a reason to fire Fisher in the middle of the season as opposed to the end. The fact that Phil fired Fisher halfway through the season is evidence that Phil just no longer had confidence in Fisher's ability to lead the team according to Phil's vision.

I never said under the table agreement. Horny becomes available and then Jax fires Fisher. I just said that it sent a signal. I mean, it was that time of year anyway. Just interesting to me.

I'll always think about the fact that the Fisher firing happened less than 48 hours after Matt Barnes came into the Garden and was cursing on the Garden floor and his team was blowing out the Knicks. I wonder if Fisher just completely lost the team at that point? I've heard whispers that some players on the team had a big problem with how he acted.

In this case going with Hornacek wasn't what the media wanted but it shows Phil wants to help this franchise win more than he wants to stroke his ego. He didn't like the 3pt happy style but that didn't stop him from seeing that it was in the best interest of the team to start focusing on this area. In the end this will only help make this team better.