CrushAlot wrote:

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What's a DDM point guard? I've never heard that phrase.

“We’re going to run the triangle, but I wouldn’t call it the triangle,” Hornacek said. “There’s a lot of aspects of the triangle, the spacing, the cuts off it in the post, that are not unique to the triangle. We can space it out farther and run some things I did in Phoenix. So there will be aspects of the triangle. It’s basic reads. You can call it triangle or call it what Golden State runs. There’s the idea we can blend it somehow.’’

Knicks did some of this with Fish but it was a very SIMPLISTIC attempt at modernizing the Triangle. I believe Horny will expand on those kinds of concepts to a greater degree. Isola and others made note of the fact that Fish tried to add other elements but they failed to point out that his overall approach wasn't that good. The way JH ran things in PHX shows a lot more creativity and offensive acumen. I think he will be able to do a better job of improving the offense into a much smoother version.

Fish did go with some spread looks. The simple thing is just moving one man from the Pinch Post out behind the 3pt line.

Then you have a 4 out look with plenty of space and you can bring KP out to set a screen for some PnR action with shooters all around.

You can have a play like this where KP slashes into the paint, forcing the D to react and with shooters all around. If it doesn't work to create an early look, you can easily form a side Triangle from here.

Using a guy like DWILL who can run the floor and attack the D early, he can create open 3's to any of his 4 teammates and in particular KP trailing.

This is just very basic stuff and JH has much more stuff he'll bring to the table that includes running some "Horns" and some stuff that is very similar to what Golden State runs. JH talked about how he spent time with the Warriors and picked up some things. This could be really fun!

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

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What's a DDM point guard? I've never heard that phrase.

Most kids learn that the first time they pick up basketball, must be a put on.

nixluva wrote:More thoughts from Hornacek on what he might do with the Knicks.

“I’d like to find a nice blend of up-and-down basketball and then with the half court we can execute and get into things maybe a little bit quicker,” Hornacek said. “I think a little bit bigger dose of [pick and rolls] can help us out of the right situations. I don’t think it’s a necessity that you have to run it as much as a lot of teams do.”

The Knicks have players who can flourish in pick-and-roll action, including Anthony, Porzingis and Grant. Hornacek already said he doesn’t see why Porzingis can’t be “a top five player” or even “the best player in the league.” He plans to use Porzingis a number of ways.

“In our offense, you can see him in some high pick and rolls, out of the sets we have, fading for threes,” Hornacek said. “I still believe you can get him on the post. If a team wants to play him with a small guy and get into him, then you can throw him down there and take advantage of his height from there.

Im guessing there will be more than a little P&R if Grant starts riding the pick and roll to new heights. I dont care if its the P&R or the Triangle that works best next season, just want Hornacek to have the flexibilty to use whatever schemes he wants to get the job done, and isnt married to any system he doesn't feel is right for that particular moment. If he really has that freedom, I believe the Knicks will return to relevance in the not too distant future.

wargames wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

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What's a DDM point guard? I've never heard that phrase.

dribble, drive, motion

basically the PG beats his defender via ISO and drives to the hoop for a layup, dunk, or a hook shot..... If another defender helps he passes the ball to a guy on the perimeter looking to shoot.

Its basically a 4-out offense (minus the post and pass option) and very similar to what D'antoni ran and what Woodson ran during the 54 win season. It was great that 54 win season for the knicks until the playoffs when Woodson decided he needed to forego his earlier success and go big..... for no reason.

I actually disagree with Tommy D somewhat. While a DDM PG type skills could be useful (and right now that is exactly what the knicks have in Wroten and Grant). I think a smarter use of the roster would be for them to get a few cutters and have some players looking to post. 4 out could be useful in certain scenarios. Its not really system basketball as Phil would describe it so I doubt it happens outside of a few plays or guys running in transition.....

interesting take and thanks for the info. I'll be curious to see how Phil, Mills, and Hornacek flesh the roster out this summer. I think the sorts of guards they sign might be instructive.

I keep coming back to Evan Turner as a candidate I think Phil will go for. I like Brandon Jennings, but for some reason, I see Turner.

It'll be interesting!

crzymdups wrote:

wargames wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/ThomasCDee/status/738841023753945088

What's a DDM point guard? I've never heard that phrase.

dribble, drive, motion

basically the PG beats his defender via ISO and drives to the hoop for a layup, dunk, or a hook shot..... If another defender helps he passes the ball to a guy on the perimeter looking to shoot.

Its basically a 4-out offense (minus the post and pass option) and very similar to what D'antoni ran and what Woodson ran during the 54 win season. It was great that 54 win season for the knicks until the playoffs when Woodson decided he needed to forego his earlier success and go big..... for no reason.

I actually disagree with Tommy D somewhat. While a DDM PG type skills could be useful (and right now that is exactly what the knicks have in Wroten and Grant). I think a smarter use of the roster would be for them to get a few cutters and have some players looking to post. 4 out could be useful in certain scenarios. Its not really system basketball as Phil would describe it so I doubt it happens outside of a few plays or guys running in transition.....

interesting take and thanks for the info. I'll be curious to see how Phil, Mills, and Hornacek flesh the roster out this summer. I think the sorts of guards they sign might be instructive.

I keep coming back to Evan Turner as a candidate I think Phil will go for. I like Brandon Jennings, but for some reason, I see Turner.

It'll be interesting!