Finestrg wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:I think Jackson nailed it with his preliminary assessment of Willy. A taller Luis Scola. Methodical plodder, up and unders, lefty and righty hooks and tip ins.

Definitely not a runner, stretch 4, or athletic bounder by any means. A half court grinder type.

He's a hammer. Those annoying players that out work you inside. Can't jump and isn't fast but has a double double and a block or 2 before the game is done... and your lower back is sore, shoulders, arms and legs are sore from wrestling this guy.

Yes we need a point guard and a scorer, but we need enforcers and garbage pail players too.

He reminds me of Enes Kanter too

I'm hoping for a real reliable post scorer--someone we can go to down low and expect results. Solid work on the boards would be a big plus too.

We needed a guy like that last year. O'Quinn disappointed me. I thought Seraphin was just too inconsistent. He was losing weight and getting in shape in season. That's no good. Willy is a pro. I doubt he's going to have those lapses with his pedigree and experience.

EnySpree wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:I think Jackson nailed it with his preliminary assessment of Willy. A taller Luis Scola. Methodical plodder, up and unders, lefty and righty hooks and tip ins.

Definitely not a runner, stretch 4, or athletic bounder by any means. A half court grinder type.

He's a hammer. Those annoying players that out work you inside. Can't jump and isn't fast but has a double double and a block or 2 before the game is done... and your lower back is sore, shoulders, arms and legs are sore from wrestling this guy.

Yes we need a point guard and a scorer, but we need enforcers and garbage pail players too.

He reminds me of Enes Kanter too

I'm hoping for a real reliable post scorer--someone we can go to down low and expect results. Solid work on the boards would be a big plus too.

We needed a guy like that last year. O'Quinn disappointed me. I thought Seraphin was just too inconsistent. He was losing weight and getting in shape in season. That's no good. Willy is a pro. I doubt he's going to have those lapses with his pedigree and experience.

Right ... he is certainly better than koq and serph so that is an auto upgrade.

callmened wrote:i have a feeling willy g will contribute more than wroten

WaltLongmire wrote:
Maybe KOQ comes in with a different attitude and in better shape. Seemed too happy to be back in his home town- would like to see some fire.

I don't think he lacked fire - he was very good coming in and then his father unexpectedly passed away. I think that threw off his season. I think he can improve next season.

WaltLongmire wrote:

callmened wrote:i have a feeling willy g will contribute more than wroten

Now this can be seen as a provocative comment...

More of that Isolaism garbage

callmened wrote:

nixluva wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

callmened wrote:i have a feeling willy g will contribute more than wroten

Now this can be seen as a provocative comment...

I don't really understand the point of even making this statement. As a joke I get it, but not from a basketball standpoint. If JH does what he did with his guards in PHX, then a kid like Wroten would be used a lot. He's got the best handle and breakdown ability on the team. It doesn't even matter if the defense is back or backs off him, he still finds a way to get to the rim. Like both Jerian and Wroten's potential under JH. It could equally help DWIll if he stays and Early.

theres absolutely no legit merit in my comment. wasnt meant to be provacative at all or taken too seriously. didnt think it was a big deal. sorry if i offended anyone

if anything i was trying to say that we (as knicks fans) might be overrating our expectations of wroten and underrating our expectations of willy G. no doubt that wroten is talented and JH will do wonders for him. im just concerned about that knee - 2 ACL injuries to the same knee. yikes. i hope im wrong cuz wroten will solve our problems

That Knee is always going to be suspect given the history. The only thing we can hope is that he sufficiently rehabs it and strengthens it. I did see a study that talked about 2nd ACL Surgeries:

More than 200,000 ACL reconstruction surgeries are performed each year in the United States, and 1 percent to 8 percent fail for some reason. Most of those patients then opt to have their knee ligament reconstructed a second time, but the failure rate on those subsequent surgeries is almost 14 percent.

14% failure rate on 2nd surgeries. It's a risk but it's well worth taking a shot on a low contract.

Now Tony only partially tore his ACL and no other damage was reported.

The injury occurred on January 13 in a game against the Atlanta Hawks. Wroten’s status was in limbo for a few weeks until the Sixers announced that he partially fractured his anterior cruciate ligament on January 23.

This is more details on a Partial ACL Tear like what Wroten had:

If you have a functional partial tear of your ACL, that means that you have torn a certain portion of your ACL fibers, however, you are still able to participate in sports without the feeling of the knee giving way or being unstable. If you possess a nonfunctional partial tear of your ACL, that means that you have torn enough of your ACL ligament that your knee no longer feels stable. That means that you are at risk of further injury if you return to your prior sports participation. Every time your knee buckles you run the risk of tearing other structures within the knee, such as the medial or lateral meniscus. If you sustain tears of either the medial or lateral meniscus, which are the shock absorbers with within the knee, then you are at risk of developing osteoarthritis. You therefore want to eliminate or minimize the risk of buckling, instability or giving way and therefore a patient who presents with a partial ACL tear, who complains of instability, will likely present as an appropriate candidate to consider an ACL reconstruction or possibly an ACL augmentation.

nixluva wrote:

callmened wrote:

nixluva wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

callmened wrote:i have a feeling willy g will contribute more than wroten

Now this can be seen as a provocative comment...

I don't really understand the point of even making this statement. As a joke I get it, but not from a basketball standpoint. If JH does what he did with his guards in PHX, then a kid like Wroten would be used a lot. He's got the best handle and breakdown ability on the team. It doesn't even matter if the defense is back or backs off him, he still finds a way to get to the rim. Like both Jerian and Wroten's potential under JH. It could equally help DWIll if he stays and Early.

theres absolutely no legit merit in my comment. wasnt meant to be provacative at all or taken too seriously. didnt think it was a big deal. sorry if i offended anyone

if anything i was trying to say that we (as knicks fans) might be overrating our expectations of wroten and underrating our expectations of willy G. no doubt that wroten is talented and JH will do wonders for him. im just concerned about that knee - 2 ACL injuries to the same knee. yikes. i hope im wrong cuz wroten will solve our problems

That Knee is always going to be suspect given the history. The only thing we can hope is that he sufficiently rehabs it and strengthens it. I did see a study that talked about 2nd ACL Surgeries:

More than 200,000 ACL reconstruction surgeries are performed each year in the United States, and 1 percent to 8 percent fail for some reason. Most of those patients then opt to have their knee ligament reconstructed a second time, but the failure rate on those subsequent surgeries is almost 14 percent.

https://source.wustl.edu/2011/09/study-looks-at-why-second-acl-surgeries-often-fail/

14% failure rate on 2nd surgeries. It's a risk but it's well worth taking a shot on a low contract.

Now Tony only partially tore his ACL and no other damage was reported.

The injury occurred on January 13 in a game against the Atlanta Hawks. Wroten’s status was in limbo for a few weeks until the Sixers announced that he partially fractured his anterior cruciate ligament on January 23.

This is more details on a Partial ACL Tear like what Wroten had:

If you have a functional partial tear of your ACL, that means that you have torn a certain portion of your ACL fibers, however, you are still able to participate in sports without the feeling of the knee giving way or being unstable. If you possess a nonfunctional partial tear of your ACL, that means that you have torn enough of your ACL ligament that your knee no longer feels stable. That means that you are at risk of further injury if you return to your prior sports participation. Every time your knee buckles you run the risk of tearing other structures within the knee, such as the medial or lateral meniscus. If you sustain tears of either the medial or lateral meniscus, which are the shock absorbers with within the knee, then you are at risk of developing osteoarthritis. You therefore want to eliminate or minimize the risk of buckling, instability or giving way and therefore a patient who presents with a partial ACL tear, who complains of instability, will likely present as an appropriate candidate to consider an ACL reconstruction or possibly an ACL augmentation.

http://www.howardluksmd.com/knee-faq/what-is-a-partial-acl-tear/

In hs he completely tore that same acl. Last time he only partially tore it
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I might be biased I'm s physician myself so I know how bad these injuries are. That's my.main concern

callmened wrote:

nixluva wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

callmened wrote:i have a feeling willy g will contribute more than wroten

Now this can be seen as a provocative comment...

I don't really understand the point of even making this statement. As a joke I get it, but not from a basketball standpoint. If JH does what he did with his guards in PHX, then a kid like Wroten would be used a lot. He's got the best handle and breakdown ability on the team. It doesn't even matter if the defense is back or backs off him, he still finds a way to get to the rim. Like both Jerian and Wroten's potential under JH. It could equally help DWIll if he stays and Early.

theres absolutely no legit merit in my comment. wasnt meant to be provacative at all or taken too seriously. didnt think it was a big deal. sorry if i offended anyone

if anything i was trying to say that we (as knicks fans) might be overrating our expectations of wroten and underrating our expectations of willy G. no doubt that wroten is talented and JH will do wonders for him. im just concerned about that knee - 2 ACL injuries to the same knee. yikes. i hope im wrong cuz wroten will solve our problems

I just figured you would get some responses from the Wroten clan of UK.

Still hope that Wroten comes around as a player on this team. I'm one who has been doubtful about him, not only because of his injury, but because I have some doubts about his game- but I really hope he contributes. He seems like a good guy- and seemed to have fit in well as a teammate at the end of the year.

Hopefully he regains his explosiveness and works on his jumper- I think they may have brought him back too soon last year, and it showed in his game.

GustavBahler wrote:Positives I see from the clip on page 1 is his willingness to mix it up, not afraid of contact, took some good shots and wasn't fazed. He moves well without the ball, good anticipation.

The biggest negative I saw was that his lack of elevation, which is going to make it easy for some long, athletic, bigs to give Willy G a hard time if he is playing in the post. A good bank shot can help him score when he's is going up against players he cant shoot over. Hard to jump sideways to block it.

Oakley's legendary toughness aside, some things that made Oak so valuable to the Knicks back in the day was his willingness to go into the stands if it meant getting the ball, that and what eventually became a reliable jump shot. Oakley didnt have what one would call a vertical, but he still found ways to get the ball, be a the right place at the right time. If Willy can do that he'll be a valuable contibutor off the bench.