StarksEwing1 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:One of the most underrated aspects of Phil's tenure has been his drafting. He's been hamstrung by past moves leaving him with only 1 pick, but he hasn't let that stop him from being active.

The fact that some teams have really loaded up on picks actually could work in the Knicks favor. They aren't likely to keep them all and that gives Phil a chance to get in there. This draft actually works out very well for the Knicks in that we need SG's and there should be a lot of good SG's and Combo Guards deep into this draft. Big, athletic guards that can hit the 3 and get out on the break should be available.

he hasnt been underrated. Actually most people praise his view on the importance of the drafts. I have said many times his best quality is viewing the draft as essential to building a good team. So that part phil gets a A for. Now he needs to work on doing a bit better in free agency and we will be good to go

and to add the one move that was easily the most important is also the move he hit a home run on.

i agree i give him credit for KP. However according to Phil Clearance gaines was the one who really pushed hard for KP

So? Who hired Gains?

This is just the same angle StarksEwing1 always takes whenever anyone says something positive about Phil or defends him. Phil is secure enough to say that he's not the best judge of raw talent. He brought in Gaines because he knows he's a talented scout that knows how to judge potential. Phil has done a good job of surrounding himself with guys he trusts and letting them do their jobs.

As I said before, Phil's aggressiveness in adding picks has not been highlighted very much and it's still early in the process of developing those players. Since they haven't all blossomed yet people tend to knock his prospects. It was too early in the process for some of these young players and hopefully we start to see some real progress in terms of player development for some of these guys next season.

Holy Crap have you read my posts this thread? I have praised phil for his drafting. So dont accuse me of hating on phil nix. I have been a supporter of Phil from day 1 but god forbid i try to be objective ever

Dude you are the one that contradicted my point by saying Phil "hasnt been underrated. Actually most people praise his view on the importance of the drafts." You seem to be imposing your own personal view onto others. Where is the proof that MOST people praise Phil's work regarding the Draft since he's been here?

There hasn't been a lot of praise about Phil's past picks in the media or from the majority of fans. KP gets the attention since he balled out this season, but that's about it. It's been an underrated aspect of what he's been doing IMO. Just do a search on the subject of Phil's adding picks every year and then compare it to the volumes of posts criticizing Phil for not doing anything. There's a lot of Media articles and posts suggesting Phil is mailing it in and not doing enough as President.

Also I never accused you of dissin Phil. What I said is that you tend to respond to anyone posting something positive IN DEFENSE of Phil, with the kind of post you made above. You seem to have an issue with people coming to Phil's defense. You seem to think he's been treated fairly so that's where we disagree.

Phil mostly gets attacked for not trading Tyson first round draft picks. Or finding ways like eating contracts to acquire more first round draft picks. But I do agree with Starks in the aspect that Phil don't really get critiqued for his work at the draft. At the same time Nix is right that Starks tends target a lot of pro Knicks post. Never really see him comment on anyone post if it were an anti Knick type post. Maybe he has maybe he hasn't I just don't see them.

I was praising Phil in this thread. I did mention clearance gaines only because i feel he also deserves some credit along with phil for scouting KP. Secondly i consider myself a positive knick fan but sometimes if i see a flaw or a mistake with our team i point it out. I dont target positive posts so Nixluva should apologize for accusing me of that because its bullcrap. I like positivity but i also like objectivity too

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:One of the most underrated aspects of Phil's tenure has been his drafting. He's been hamstrung by past moves leaving him with only 1 pick, but he hasn't let that stop him from being active.

The fact that some teams have really loaded up on picks actually could work in the Knicks favor. They aren't likely to keep them all and that gives Phil a chance to get in there. This draft actually works out very well for the Knicks in that we need SG's and there should be a lot of good SG's and Combo Guards deep into this draft. Big, athletic guards that can hit the 3 and get out on the break should be available.

he hasnt been underrated. Actually most people praise his view on the importance of the drafts. I have said many times his best quality is viewing the draft as essential to building a good team. So that part phil gets a A for. Now he needs to work on doing a bit better in free agency and we will be good to go

and to add the one move that was easily the most important is also the move he hit a home run on.

i agree i give him credit for KP. However according to Phil Clearance gaines was the one who really pushed hard for KP

He is the lead scout, hired by Phil. If you trust a guy enough to put him in that position you respect his opinion right?

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:One of the most underrated aspects of Phil's tenure has been his drafting. He's been hamstrung by past moves leaving him with only 1 pick, but he hasn't let that stop him from being active.

The fact that some teams have really loaded up on picks actually could work in the Knicks favor. They aren't likely to keep them all and that gives Phil a chance to get in there. This draft actually works out very well for the Knicks in that we need SG's and there should be a lot of good SG's and Combo Guards deep into this draft. Big, athletic guards that can hit the 3 and get out on the break should be available.

he hasnt been underrated. Actually most people praise his view on the importance of the drafts. I have said many times his best quality is viewing the draft as essential to building a good team. So that part phil gets a A for. Now he needs to work on doing a bit better in free agency and we will be good to go

and to add the one move that was easily the most important is also the move he hit a home run on.

i agree i give him credit for KP. However according to Phil Clearance gaines was the one who really pushed hard for KP

He is the lead scout, hired by Phil. If you trust a guy enough to put him in that position you respect his opinion right?

Chandler wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:He'll get a late first or a 2nd round pick and might even end up getting two picks in that area.

Philly and Boston have late first round picks that they won't want. I'd throw cash at them to see what could happen for one of them.

Wait. Why will they "not want" those picks? Serious question.

Boston: most of those pick are slotted for players exactly like what they have already -- nice well rounded players who are not difference makers. They'd rather package those picks for someone more impactful or at least trade for future picks so the players are not all jammed together in time. As it is they barely played Rozier bc there were so many guards in front of him.

i think Philly is in the same boat. Having a ton of guys who are all young doesn't work. You need some veteran leadership and a pipeline of players.

I think that Philly definitely trades for some veteran players this offseason.

NardDogNation wrote:

Chandler wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:He'll get a late first or a 2nd round pick and might even end up getting two picks in that area.

Philly and Boston have late first round picks that they won't want. I'd throw cash at them to see what could happen for one of them.

Wait. Why will they "not want" those picks? Serious question.

Boston: most of those pick are slotted for players exactly like what they have already -- nice well rounded players who are not difference makers. They'd rather package those picks for someone more impactful or at least trade for future picks so the players are not all jammed together in time. As it is they barely played Rozier bc there were so many guards in front of him.

i think Philly is in the same boat. Having a ton of guys who are all young doesn't work. You need some veteran leadership and a pipeline of players.

+1 (for the entire post).

I am hoping that Philly is willing to bring in a guy like Calderon for cash. They'll struggle to reach the minimum payroll threshold with the cap exploding, so Jose's $7.7 million expirer shouldn't phase them. And if D'Antoni and the former run-n-gun/pick-and-roll staff of the Suns there, I suspect that they'd welcome a heady veteran PG to mentor their talent and play pinch minutes.

That move wouldn't help our draft pick situation but it'd certainly free up some much needed cash for two contracts starting at approximately $20 million per. As for our pick crunch, maybe a sign-and-trade of Lance Thomas could remedy that. I have a feeling that the Clippers would give up the 26th pick and some future 2nds for him. We might even be able to lowball them with Kyle O'Quinn and Cleanthony Early's good knee for the pick.

??

Why would they not sign LT outright? S&T and give up players? What do they gain?

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Chandler wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:He'll get a late first or a 2nd round pick and might even end up getting two picks in that area.

Philly and Boston have late first round picks that they won't want. I'd throw cash at them to see what could happen for one of them.

Wait. Why will they "not want" those picks? Serious question.

Boston: most of those pick are slotted for players exactly like what they have already -- nice well rounded players who are not difference makers. They'd rather package those picks for someone more impactful or at least trade for future picks so the players are not all jammed together in time. As it is they barely played Rozier bc there were so many guards in front of him.

i think Philly is in the same boat. Having a ton of guys who are all young doesn't work. You need some veteran leadership and a pipeline of players.

+1 (for the entire post).

I am hoping that Philly is willing to bring in a guy like Calderon for cash. They'll struggle to reach the minimum payroll threshold with the cap exploding, so Jose's $7.7 million expirer shouldn't phase them. And if D'Antoni and the former run-n-gun/pick-and-roll staff of the Suns there, I suspect that they'd welcome a heady veteran PG to mentor their talent and play pinch minutes.

That move wouldn't help our draft pick situation but it'd certainly free up some much needed cash for two contracts starting at approximately $20 million per. As for our pick crunch, maybe a sign-and-trade of Lance Thomas could remedy that. I have a feeling that the Clippers would give up the 26th pick and some future 2nds for him. We might even be able to lowball them with Kyle O'Quinn and Cleanthony Early's good knee for the pick.

??

Why would they not sign LT outright? S&T and give up players? What do they gain?

Not sure what you're trying to say. But my reasoning is that once the Clippers resign Green, Crawford and Aldrich, they wouldn't be below the cap and would be unable to get Thomas via cap space, hence the sign and trade.

NardDogNation wrote:Robin Lopez to the Pelicans for the 6th pick and Asik's contract?

OR

Robin Lopez and the 6th pick to BOS; Amir Johnson picks 16th and 23rd to the Pelicans; Alexi Ajinca and the 3rd pick to NYK. I'd then select Heild with the 3rd and sign Mike Conley, Al Horford and Courtney Lee in the offseason.

Another variation that probably offers a better return for all teams involves would be:

Robin Lopez to BOS
Amir Johnson to MIL
Greg Monroe the 16th and 23rd picks to NOP
Alexi Ajinca, $10 million of cap space and the 6th pick to NYK

....Greg Monroe is a native of Louisana and just so happens to be a perfect pairing with Anthony Davis. Whereas Davis operates on the high post, Monroe could work the low post. Davis is right handed, while Monroe is left handed. They both are good rebounders and excellent passers for their size. Seems like a match-made-in-heaven and would leave MIL in good standing with Monroe's agent who'd be otherwise pissed that his client is being traded just one year into his contract (always have to factor in the politics of being a team executive).

Meanwhile, the Bucks would be better served by jettisoning Monroe's contract since he is the antithesis of the rangy, athletic, shot-blocking 5 that helped make them the surprise of the 2014-2015 season. Johnson is barely that himself anymore but he is a veteran and a decent stopgap until a successor can be groomed. To be honest, the Bucks may very well be able to find his protege in this draft with Skal Labesserie being projected to be selected around MILs 10th pick.

Boston does it for obvious reasons: low-cost, decent return. They clearly improve as a win-now team while protecting a core that has them as one of the best in the East.

Knicks do it to clear cap room and potentially giving Porzingis a running partner for the future. I don't know if Buddy Hield will be on the board at 6th but if he is, he'd be perfect especially since he'll be able to contribute immediately. He could very well start for us next season and allow us the financially flexibility to upgrade our PG position via free agency (i.e. Conley) while replacing Lopez (i.e. Horford).

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Chandler wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:He'll get a late first or a 2nd round pick and might even end up getting two picks in that area.

Philly and Boston have late first round picks that they won't want. I'd throw cash at them to see what could happen for one of them.

Wait. Why will they "not want" those picks? Serious question.

Boston: most of those pick are slotted for players exactly like what they have already -- nice well rounded players who are not difference makers. They'd rather package those picks for someone more impactful or at least trade for future picks so the players are not all jammed together in time. As it is they barely played Rozier bc there were so many guards in front of him.

i think Philly is in the same boat. Having a ton of guys who are all young doesn't work. You need some veteran leadership and a pipeline of players.

+1 (for the entire post).

I am hoping that Philly is willing to bring in a guy like Calderon for cash. They'll struggle to reach the minimum payroll threshold with the cap exploding, so Jose's $7.7 million expirer shouldn't phase them. And if D'Antoni and the former run-n-gun/pick-and-roll staff of the Suns there, I suspect that they'd welcome a heady veteran PG to mentor their talent and play pinch minutes.

That move wouldn't help our draft pick situation but it'd certainly free up some much needed cash for two contracts starting at approximately $20 million per. As for our pick crunch, maybe a sign-and-trade of Lance Thomas could remedy that. I have a feeling that the Clippers would give up the 26th pick and some future 2nds for him. We might even be able to lowball them with Kyle O'Quinn and Cleanthony Early's good knee for the pick.

??

Why would they not sign LT outright? S&T and give up players? What do they gain?

Not sure what you're trying to say. But my reasoning is that once the Clippers resign Green, Crawford and Aldrich, they wouldn't be below the cap and would be unable to get Thomas via cap space, hence the sign and trade.

how would they make the salaries work?

To my recollection, they have not renounced the rights to either Glen Davis or Turkoglu. Both guys have played multiple seasons with them, so I'm thinking that one of the two could be the trade ballast to make the deal work financially ala Keith Van Horn's role to bring Jason Kidd back to Dallas way back when.