newyorker4ever wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:We have no jumpshot in our backcourt. Wroten is a drive guy. He is a total system guy. He'll buy in and we'll be better off for it, but he's got no shot. Neither does Grant. The cupboard is bare at 2.

I think Grant has more of a chance of finding his shot than Wroten does though. All you heard about the kid this season was how much work he puts in so if he keeps that up and with him working with Chris Jackson who was a great shooter in his day he could develop a good shot this off season and his shot was getting better as the season wore down but i'd still like to get a C.Lee or Seth Curry or A.Crabbe, K.Bazemore this off season.

I would expect Jerian to be ahead of Wroten shooting wise. Jerian really showed his improvement shooting late this season, but I wouldn't worry that much about Wroten's jumper. I actually think he's likely never going to be a great shooter but Wroten is so good at getting to the rim that it can have a very positive impact on this team working off picks. People REALLY are underestimating how good a penetrator Wroten can be. Wroten can focus on drive and kick.

Knicks will likely focus on SG's as they should. There are guys in the Draft and FA for the Knicks to go after.

djsunyc wrote:

martin wrote:Having only seen DeRozan play in these playoffs, I can't see what he does well. What's his bread and butter? It surely ain't scoring or shooting, so what is it?

derozan led the nba in drives to the basket. he was 2nd in ft's made. the playoffs, the whistle gets much tighter which takes away the ft's - and his game is not diverse enough to adjust. foul calls he was getting in the regular season were not there in the playoffs. so i think it threw him for a loop. one thing i will say is he was guarded by paul george in round 1 - the league was not going to call any fouls on him.

he doesn't have good handles and doesn't have good vision. he also can't shoot the 3. he's a very good regular season player but not a difference maker. but he is a major offensive component to a winning team, that's why he's been an all star 2 of the last 3 years and would've been one 3 years in a row if he wasn't hurt. he was a player given mins from day 1 and carte blanche. he's a really good guy and has improved his game tremendously - very hard work ethic. every season he's gotten better. but i think he really would've benefitted from a more disciplanary coach and a organized offense.

the funny thing is that when we start featuring jonas more in the offense these playoffs, dd's game started becoming more efficient. unfortunately that only lasted 1.5 games before jonas got hurt.

Boy Howdy! I knew djsunyc was a raptors fan, but this is like having a Toronto Star beat writer on the board!

that sure is a long list of things Derozan doesn't have...

Give me Lowry, Phil! And get a draft pick back too, just for kicks.

newyorker4ever wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

nychamp wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:I've said this before that we should just add a legit SG this off season and go with Wroten/Grant at PG next season which will tell us if one of or both of them can step up and be a starting PG for us and having Hornacek will only help and if neither one show they can be a full time starter then the following off season is loaded with legit PG's and with the cap going up another $18/$20 mil we can get our PG of the future and Grant/Wroten can be really good athletic guards to come off the bench and give us instant offense with the 2nd team and both can play either guard spot as well.

This seems best to me too. Eyes potentially on Westbrook next offseason, but secure a solid starting SG this offseason and see how the team develops.

DeRozan would be a good fit here and maybe he makes a move if Lowry continues self destructing. I'd love to one up Toronto just once...

I think Derozan ends up with the Lakers.

only if its at the right price. Don't think the lakers would over pay for him.

mreinman wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

nychamp wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:I've said this before that we should just add a legit SG this off season and go with Wroten/Grant at PG next season which will tell us if one of or both of them can step up and be a starting PG for us and having Hornacek will only help and if neither one show they can be a full time starter then the following off season is loaded with legit PG's and with the cap going up another $18/$20 mil we can get our PG of the future and Grant/Wroten can be really good athletic guards to come off the bench and give us instant offense with the 2nd team and both can play either guard spot as well.

This seems best to me too. Eyes potentially on Westbrook next offseason, but secure a solid starting SG this offseason and see how the team develops.

DeRozan would be a good fit here and maybe he makes a move if Lowry continues self destructing. I'd love to one up Toronto just once...

I think Derozan ends up with the Lakers.

only if its at the right price. Don't think the lakers would over pay for him.

djsunyc wrote:

martin wrote:Having only seen DeRozan play in these playoffs, I can't see what he does well. What's his bread and butter? It surely ain't scoring or shooting, so what is it?

derozan led the nba in drives to the basket. he was 2nd in ft's made. the playoffs, the whistle gets much tighter which takes away the ft's - and his game is not diverse enough to adjust. foul calls he was getting in the regular season were not there in the playoffs. so i think it threw him for a loop. one thing i will say is he was guarded by paul george in round 1 - the league was not going to call any fouls on him.

he doesn't have good handles and doesn't have good vision. he also can't shoot the 3. he's a very good regular season player but not a difference maker. but he is a major offensive component to a winning team, that's why he's been an all star 2 of the last 3 years and would've been one 3 years in a row if he wasn't hurt. he was a player given mins from day 1 and carte blanche. he's a really good guy and has improved his game tremendously - very hard work ethic. every season he's gotten better. but i think he really would've benefitted from a more disciplanary coach and a organized offense.

the funny thing is that when we start featuring jonas more in the offense these playoffs, dd's game started becoming more efficient. unfortunately that only lasted 1.5 games before jonas got hurt.

good post

that's the thing that intrigues me. Will he actually make a better contribution (more efficient and meaningful) when he's the number 2 option or maybe third (with KP). RIght now he's #1 in toronto and teams can lock down on him the way they used to on Melo

fishmike wrote:back to topic... I suspect part of what won Jeff the job were some Xs and Os on how he thinks guys are not being utilized. The two that jump out are Grant and Rolo in the P&R spread offense. KP and MElo become shooters and yes.. so does Jose. You will see those 3 get a lot of open looks and it will put Rolo around the rim for Orebs. Jeff's offense had a lot of movement in it, so while not "triangle" it was about both spacing and players moving away from the ball. With Melo a year older and setting his career high in assists last year the roster is more suited. Time will tell... will be fun to watch I hope.

Still a big Grant believer. Guy was the best P&R guard in college. No problem with him sliding into the starting lineup and Jose is a floor spreader. You then simply hope that Wroten and Galloway take Jose's minutes.

+1000 - completely agree with this. Grant was an excellent college player and especially PnR. He was very misused so far.

helloharv wrote:we need a guy that can score buckets --- plain and simple --- we actually need an uptempo attacking PG and a knock down three point shooter

WHERE DO WE FIND THEM?

There are a lot of guys in FA and some 3nD guys late in the draft so I think Phil will be able to fill our needs.

Knixkik wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I agree. Grant should be much better next year. The focus needs to be the SG position first. We need to lock in Bazemore, Fournier, or Crabbe, the 3 most realistic players who bring youth and good outside shooting to the table. I'm offering 4/60 for one of them. After that, i am trying to get a quality backup PG who can split time with Grant on a 1-year deal. If Jennings wants to come on a 1-year deal, great. If not, i'm thinking Chalmers or Vasquez. 2 quality PGs who can be relied on. Anything we can get from Wroten is a bonus. Then i would like to take a flyer on an athletic big like Dwight Powell. After that, should be set.

I'm not paying $15 mil per to a guy like Crabbe who i do really like but he has not shown to be worth that kind of money yet. I'd give him $10/$12 at most. I would love to get one of those guys and E.Turner to be our 6th man, he can play multiple positions and does everything but hit 3's well. If we could add E.Turner one of K.Bazemore/Crabbe/Fournier and D.Lee or another big man that can rebound and give us some under the basket offense i'd be happy and D.Lee would be perfect because he can just lead the way for 1 or 2 years until Willy is more adjusted to the NBA.

I would try to get Crabbe for less too, but most starters are going to be making 15 mil per year, and Crabbe is a starter in this league. I will offer him 13m per year, but will go up to 15 if necessary. Bazemore and Fournier need 4/60 offers right away.

Who is this D. Lee that you speak of? Dear Avi? He ain't got no D for sure.

Fournier is further along offensively and probably fits better as a 2 and not the 3 like Orlando moved him to. Evan's issue is defense but I think his defensive issues could be subdued at the 2 were he won't get bullied by bigger 3s. Evan is younger and still needs to get stronger but he is a very promising player

yellowboy90 wrote:Crabbe at 15m or/and Fournier at near the Max. Looking at Horn's it had a lot of motion and Crabbe is one of the best young players that move without the ball and he was the same way in college. The key to Crabbe growing as a player is developing the ability to attack closeouts and become a capable PnR ball handler. Basically he needs to go to Klay Thompson school. He'll likely never become a great ball hanler but if he keeps up the shooting he has shown it will create easy opportunities for 2 dribble drives as opponents over play him for the 3.

Fournier is further along offensively and probably fits better as a 2 and not the 3 like Orlando moved him to. Evan's issue is defense but I think his defensive issues could be subdued at the 2 were he won't get bullied by bigger 3s. Evan is younger and still needs to get stronger but he is a very promising player

Do you think that ORL would let Fournier walk? He's a RFA, which leads me to believe they'd match any offer especially with them not having any heir apparent max-caliber players.

BRIGGS wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Crabbe at 15m or/and Fournier at near the Max. Looking at Horn's it had a lot of motion and Crabbe is one of the best young players that move without the ball and he was the same way in college. The key to Crabbe growing as a player is developing the ability to attack closeouts and become a capable PnR ball handler. Basically he needs to go to Klay Thompson school. He'll likely never become a great ball hanler but if he keeps up the shooting he has shown it will create easy opportunities for 2 dribble drives as opponents over play him for the 3.

Fournier is further along offensively and probably fits better as a 2 and not the 3 like Orlando moved him to. Evan's issue is defense but I think his defensive issues could be subdued at the 2 were he won't get bullied by bigger 3s. Evan is younger and still needs to get stronger but he is a very promising player

Do you think that ORL would let Fournier walk? He's a RFA, which leads me to believe they'd match any offer especially with them not having any heir apparent max-caliber players.

0/100 Chance

There are other low hanging fruit RFA's to go after. I like Fournier but he's not one of the more gettable guys. I think Phil will focus on guys that he has a chance to actually get, whether UFA or RFA. Agents have no doubt contacted Phil to let him know of their player's interest. This is a good spot given our holes at guard.