fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:C-LOpez

F KP

F Carmelo

G Crabbe 4 years 58mm

G Curry 4 years 32mm)

C Maker (draft pick # 25 acquired restricted 1 to 17 (2019)

F Derrick Williams

F Lance Thomas 2 years 6mm

G Jerian Grant

G Aaron Affalo

C Oquinn

F Willy G

G Tony Wroten G

G Michael Gbinjie G acquired pick 36 for 2 futures 4 years 4mm

G Bryn Forbes acquired pick 48 cash 4 years 4mm

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G Derrick Jones (acquired pick 57 cash D league for 2017)

waived Calderon Early Galloway--obviously I cant speculate if affalo or Williams will opt out so this is until they do

Thesis--compete hard now but with 100% eye for the future. Build assets

you *do* understand that Crabbe is a RESTRICTED free agent and cant be acquired through money alone? You understand that no matter what we offer Portland gets to match? You do understand that RFAs rarely leave teams because they only way to get them is by so grossly overpaying the current team just wont match? Portland knows Crabbe better than you do. The only way he's on the Knicks is if you offer something so stupid they don't match, or they don't match because they know he's not the play you think he is. Just wondering how much thought goes into your player fixations

Restricted free agency is about opportunity. I don't think Portland matches a big contract for Crabbe to bring him back as a 6th man. They have too many needs, especially in the front court moving forward. They can do without Crabbe, and probably even replace 75% of what he does with their great talent development. This is the type of restricted free agent thats getable.

nixluva wrote:

wh4t wrote:nope, next

Not cool to just say NO! You've gotta put up a name or two yourself.

I already have but it's hard searching through old posts. I'll contribute and provide a good analysis if one of y'all post about a player worth mentioning.

chewy wrote:Briggs- u giving Crabbe 58 mil lmao. Then putting 3 rookies on the team like they going to be great. Where are 2nd players u love every year?!?!

Here is our 13-14-15 roster last year

Lou Admundson--value to wins and team ---0
Kevin Seraphin--lightly used big man with little contribution
Cleanthony Early--now at 25 years old showed nothing in 2 years of NBA and D league level play

Here's my view.

IF Thon Maker drops below 20 than he is a worthy trade in candidate--I dont like the first round past Buddy Hield Denzel Valentine Malik Beasley and Jamal Murray--of which we will get no one.

The 2nd rd of this draft is JUST as good as rd 1--better in some respects because of the control you have.

I would replace Langston Galloway and his 3.5mm $ cap hold with Bryn Forbes 600K salary and cap hold
I would replace Cleanthony Earlys 1.8mm cap hold with Michae Gbinjie 600K cap hold and I think hes a much better prospect and younger

Getting the rights to a third player who I personally think would be a lottery pick next year IF he falls into the mid 50's to get his rights--to put him at Westchester for a year--its a no brainer.

Free agency to me is also a no brainer
Lets be honest--free agency is not very good. Im clearing some cap space to give 2 strong offers to players I think have the best upside for this team Both long and short term---Allan Crabbe and Seth Curry. Free agency will be tough--aggressive smart action is best. And if I fail--then I simply look for one year deals that make sense or possible trades.

BRIGGS wrote:

chewy wrote:Briggs- u giving Crabbe 58 mil lmao. Then putting 3 rookies on the team like they going to be great. Where are 2nd players u love every year?!?!

Here is our 13-14-15 roster last year

Lou Admundson--value to wins and team ---0
Kevin Seraphin--lightly used big man with little contribution
Cleanthony Early--now at 25 years old showed nothing in 2 years of NBA and D league level play

Here's my view.

IF Thon Maker drops below 20 than he is a worthy trade in candidate--I dont like the first round past Buddy Hield Denzel Valentine Malik Beasley and Jamal Murray--of which we will get no one.

The 2nd rd of this draft is JUST as good as rd 1--better in some respects because of the control you have.

I would replace Langston Galloway and his 3.5mm $ cap hold with Bryn Forbes 600K salary and cap hold
I would replace Cleanthony Earlys 1.8mm cap hold with Michae Gbinjie 600K cap hold and I think hes a much better prospect and younger

Getting the rights to a third player who I personally think would be a lottery pick next year IF he falls into the mid 50's to get his rights--to put him at Westchester for a year--its a no brainer.

Free agency to me is also a no brainer
Lets be honest--free agency is not very good. Im clearing some cap space to give 2 strong offers to players I think have the best upside for this team Both long and short term---Allan Crabbe and Seth Curry. Free agency will be tough--aggressive smart action is best. And if I fail--then I simply look for one year deals that make sense or possible trades.

Interesting point. If it's truly the case that 1st round past 20 or so is the same as 2d round that would suggest some teams like Celts would be willing to trade their first roundders because they also have so many second rounders. I don't think we can expect them to be stupid enough to trade the seconds, if they share your view on talent evaluation -- why would they (they too would prefer the flexibility etc)

Could be interesting. Wonder if Gaines or anyone else in NYK scouting has identified a gem that we might be able to snag.

Not a fan of Thon Maker. Not because he's not intriguing, but because we're not in the position to afford such gambles. Analogy to stocks: he's that small cap boom or bust stock; NYK are still in the state where they need to get a financial plan in order -- can't be gambling on small caps yet.

crzymdups wrote:We've discussed how hard it is to get good young free agents because of the cap and RFA. Guys don't hit unrestricted free agency until they're 27, 28, 29.

But here we have Brandon Jennings who has had some great moments - kid had a 56pt game against Steph Curry a few years ago. He's bounced around a little because of injury. Seems like a tough NY point guard, who is also smart and savvy.

I really love Brandon Jennings, have always thought he could be a great PG in this league. I think he could truly Blossom here. Particularly under Hornacek.

He's still only 26, buried in Orlando. He played great in Detroit before his achilles injury. I think he's a really smart young kid who in the right setting could flourish. If we had Rambis, I would not be on board with Jennings coming here. If we have Hornacek? SIGN ME UP. Horny developed Dragic, Bledsoe, Knight, Booker into true backcourt weapons. Jennings is a lefty like Dragic.

Look at Dragic's trajectory with Hornacek - the season before Hornacek took over in Phoenix Dragic was at 14ppg 44%fg. His first Hornacek season? 20ppg 51% fg. One big reason for Dragic's success? Playing with sweet shooting big man Channing Frye. Frye took 5 three point shots a game for PHX and really opened up the interior for Dragic and Bledsoe. They ran a lot of motion cuts and backcuts, which I'm sure Phil took notice of.

I think you put Jennings here with the sweet shooting big man KP and Melo playing a super-charged Markief Morris role... we could build an even better version of that Phoenix team that won 48 games in 2013-4. I think the ceiling would be much higher than that PHX team because KP is far better than Frye and Melo is far better than Morris.

I'd give Jennings a "show me" deal of 2 years - team option in year two. $10-12M in year one. $12M TEAM option in year two.

Sign Bazemore with the rest of the money. Or maybe Courtney Lee. Keep Afflalo and Dwill as 6th men for continuity. If Afflalo wants to start and won't sign up to be a sixth man, tell him that's fine, thanks for your service. See you around.

The roster below has the sort of guard depth you need to really compete in the NBA these days. Allows Afflalo or Bazemore to slide down to the SF spot at times and play Melo 4, KP at 5.

PG - Jennings / Grant / Wroten
SG - Bazemore / Afflalo / Galloway
SF - Melo / Lance
PF - KP / DWill
C - Rolo / Hernangomez

That'd be the 12 I'd roll with. That team is definitely a playoffs team in the East, maybe a 4/5 seed if KP, Grant, Jennings all blossom and click.

The problem is that all 3 of the PG's have the same problem which is shooting. They're basically all the same player which kind of defeats the purpose. If we didn't get Wroten i'd be all for signing B.Jennings but as long as we have Wroten and Grant i'd rather add a shooter like Seth Curry to switch things up at PG for us.

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I="Knixkik"]

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:C-LOpez

F KP

F Carmelo

G Crabbe 4 years 58mm

G Curry 4 years 32mm)

C Maker (draft pick # 25 acquired restricted 1 to 17 (2019)

F Derrick Williams

F Lance Thomas 2 years 6mm

G Jerian Grant

G Aaron Affalo

C Oquinn

F Willy G

G Tony Wroten G

G Michael Gbinjie G acquired pick 36 for 2 futures 4 years 4mm

G Bryn Forbes acquired pick 48 cash 4 years 4mm

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G Derrick Jones (acquired pick 57 cash D league for 2017)

waived Calderon Early Galloway--obviously I cant speculate if affalo or Williams will opt out so this is until they do

Thesis--compete hard now but with 100% eye for the future. Build assets

you *do* understand that Crabbe is a RESTRICTED free agent and cant be acquired through money alone? You understand that no matter what we offer Portland gets to match? You do understand that RFAs rarely leave teams because they only way to get them is by so grossly overpaying the current team just wont match? Portland knows Crabbe better than you do. The only way he's on the Knicks is if you offer something so stupid they don't match, or they don't match because they know he's not the play you think he is. Just wondering how much thought goes into your player fixations

Restricted free agency is about opportunity. I don't think Portland matches a big contract for Crabbe to bring him back as a 6th man. They have too many needs, especially in the front court moving forward. They can do without Crabbe, and probably even replace 75% of what he does with their great talent development. This is the type of restricted free agent thats getable.

If we look at Crabbe he should be a number 1 type free agent t. These guys Iread Jennings Turner Conley a max Batum. These guys are not Crabbe. We may have to overpay to deter Portland but I for one accept if the Knicks pay up The guy is 23 6-6 215 with a beautiful touch he's long powerfully built athletic he was SUPER in the playoffs he's unselfish the guy is a thoroughbred.
I'm a fan of Seth curry I think he compliment s our team I was very impressed when wat hing him down the stretch. I'd release Calderon and use part of his money to sign Curry who will give me much more than Calderon and he's 10 years younger. Big contract offers to Crabbe and Curry. You'll be happy as a Knicks fan of we do

I'm down for either Crabbe, Fournier, or Bazemore. 4/60 sounds right for either of them. I'm offering Bazemore first because he's unrestricted and i want to lock him in, unless i know for fact that the other team won't match. My top choice is Fournier, but for sake of argument, i'm using Bazemore. Then i'm giving Mario Chalmers a 1-year 5 mil contract to be backup PG to Grant. I want to keep the options open at that position going into next season. I want to get Dwight Powell to give us an athletic big off the bench. 4 years 20 mil. Drafting Gbinije, who i really like, with a 2nd round pick that's purchased. Resign Galloway and Dwill.

C Lopez
F Porzingis
F Anthony
G Bazemore (or Fournier or Crabbe)
G Grant

F/C Powell
F Williams
G Galloway
G Chalmbers

C O'Quinn
F/C Hermangomez
F Early
G Gbinije
G Vujacic
G Wroten

I got turned off Bazemore--too inconsistent. I like Crabbe's form on his shot--hes going to get MUCH better. Hes a big kid 6-6 215 with long arms athletic--hes just getting started.

i JUST posted about how having a coach like hornecek allows us to be candidates for mediocre talents PNR PG talents like jennings. i think thats likely