Phil signed a 5 year deal. It's only 2 years and 3 months in.... are we going to continue to have these threads the entire length of his contract? He was brought her to sethe us up for the future. That's what he's doing. I'm sick of the desperate house wife Bulls hit some of you guys keep trying to push.

EnySpree wrote:This is the type of thread that makes me beat my wife every night.

Phil signed a 5 year deal. It's only 2 years and 3 months in.... are we going to continue to have these threads the entire length of his contract? He was brought her to sethe us up for the future. That's what he's doing. I'm sick of the desperate house wife Bulls hit some of you guys keep trying to push.

He has an opt out in nine months. I do think there's a chance he exercises it depending on how things go. I don't think it's been decided yet, but I think it's option.

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crzymdups wrote:For the record, I don't think Phil is going anywhere necessarily. But I do think Rambis was an option he considered and it was shot down by Melo and possibly Dolan. And I don't believe that Jeannie Buss would reveal the inner workings of Phil's mind on an ESPN interview. She's going to say the most publicly palatable thing. It doesn't mean it's the truth. She's saying the politically correct thing. Doesn't mean it's true.

Side note, pretty sure Frank Isola reads this board. He tweeted this after my posts above.

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crzymdups wrote:

crzymdups wrote:For the record, I don't think Phil is going anywhere necessarily. But I do think Rambis was an option he considered and it was shot down by Melo and possibly Dolan. And I don't believe that Jeannie Buss would reveal the inner workings of Phil's mind on an ESPN interview. She's going to say the most publicly palatable thing. It doesn't mean it's the truth. She's saying the politically correct thing. Doesn't mean it's true.

Side note, pretty sure Frank Isola reads this board. He tweeted this after my posts above.

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He may or he may have come up with it on his own. He has a bug up his @ss for Phil.

Even Seth at Posting and Toasting says that while he doesn't necessarily respect Frank Isola as a person, he respects him as a reporter.

Not sure why y'all are so protective of Phil. Other than drafting KP, he's made a series of average to questionable moves. I like the Grant move, but even that has still not proven itself out. The Tyson trade was a disaster - we're still paying Jose Calderon, Samuel Dalembert was waived before he played here three months, neither second round pick was worth anything. The Shump and JR dump was not a good return for guys who are key rotation players on a two-time NBA finalist. The Afflalo signing has been roundly derided by almost everyone here, as was DWill when it happened. As was Rolo when it happened. Now Rolo is a genius signing apparently? I think it's a solid, average move to sign a solid, average center. We keep hearing we need to trust the development of prospects who have never shown a single thing in the NBA like Cleathonly Early and Thanasis, etc.

It's funny how you guys attack anyone who questions the party line. That party line has gotten the Knicks the second most losses in the NBA in the past 16 years. We have one season of 50 wins since 2000. We've made it out of the first round one time and made the first round what... four... five times total in 16 years? Dolan is a proven jack ass and he's still got his #1 henchman Steve Mills installed at GM. Isiah Thomas was working with Jerian Grant on his jump shot at the MSG training center just last week. But everyone here wants to believe Phil has full autonomy to fix the team his way. ...Except we hired a coach who is supposedly not being forced to run the Triangle after Melo and KP were said to have disliked the system. Questioning how the Garden is run and operated is pretty valid based on the absolutely embarrassing way this team has been run for 16+ years. The Knicks will always be my favorite sports team, but that doesn't mean I can't question how they operate, especially when it's so awful.

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

crzymdups wrote:For the record, I don't think Phil is going anywhere necessarily. But I do think Rambis was an option he considered and it was shot down by Melo and possibly Dolan. And I don't believe that Jeannie Buss would reveal the inner workings of Phil's mind on an ESPN interview. She's going to say the most publicly palatable thing. It doesn't mean it's the truth. She's saying the politically correct thing. Doesn't mean it's true.

Side note, pretty sure Frank Isola reads this board. He tweeted this after my posts above.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/737382046864138240

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/737384090958241796

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/737384479845711872

He may or he may have come up with it on his own. He has a bug up his @ss for Phil.

Even Seth at Posting and Toasting says that while he doesn't necessarily respect Frank Isola as a person, he respects him as a reporter.

Not sure why y'all are so protective of Phil. Other than drafting KP, he's made a series of average to questionable moves. I like the Grant move, but even that has still not proven itself out. The Tyson trade was a disaster - we're still paying Jose Calderon, Samuel Dalembert was waived before he played here three months, neither second round pick was worth anything. The Shump and JR dump was not a good return for guys who are key rotation players on a two-time NBA finalist. The Afflalo signing has been roundly derided by almost everyone here, as was DWill when it happened. As was Rolo when it happened. Now Rolo is a genius signing apparently? I think it's a solid, average move to sign a solid, average center. We keep hearing we need to trust the development of prospects who have never shown a single thing in the NBA like Cleathonly Early and Thanasis, etc.

It's funny how you guys attack anyone who questions the party line. That party line has gotten the Knicks the second most losses in the NBA in the past 16 years. We have one season of 50 wins since 2000. We've made it out of the first round one time and made the first round what... four... five times total in 16 years? Dolan is a proven jack ass and he's still got his #1 henchman Steve Mills installed at GM. Isiah Thomas was working with Jerian Grant on his jump shot at the MSG training center just last week. But everyone here wants to believe Phil has full autonomy to fix the team his way. ...Except we hired a coach who is supposedly not being forced to run the Triangle after Melo and KP were said to have disliked the system. Questioning how the Garden is run and operated is pretty valid based on the absolutely embarrassing way this team has been run for 16+ years. The Knicks will always be my favorite sports team, but that doesn't mean I can't question how they operate, especially when it's so awful.

"Even Seth".....
Dude, this is so old and you keep wanting to bring it up over and over. The W/L tells the story. The assumption Phil could have done better is subjective. With Shump an Smith we were god awful team loosing games. On a good team, they did good.
Team is rebuilding and not all things are magically changed. Team had to tank to get KP. If Phil does better on trades (he took back a lot picks, larkin)maybe we don't get the 4th pick?

Its all relative. Even Seth knows that!

Another point is why would he care about how he and his new coach got along if he was leaving? That alone suggests that he's not going anywhere anytime soon. It's not hard to imagine that he wants to at least see this team with a winning record before he would even think about leaving. Also why not stick around for some of the good times when the team finally starts to win? Phil is about to go into another offseason where he can add key talent. This is the most fun part of the process for him IMO. Getting to watch all these young players he's been adding next season!!! I just don't think it makes any sense to suggest he's looking for the door.

Getting rid of JR and Shump was absolutely the right decision. Just like Jordan kept Rodman mostly in check, LeBron is doing the same thing with two players who don't want to cross him. JR was radioactive, a package deal was needed to get rid of the most toxic player in the league at the time. Shumpert had peaked in NY and it was time for a change.

I believe that Phil has seen what Isiah's time as GM of the Knicks (lawsuit aside) did for his reputation, in spite of his credentials as a championship HOF PG. At the very least I believe he wants to put the Knicks on what fans will see is clearly the right course. As soon as that point is reached (championship or not) Im guessing that at his age the clock will be ticking.

crzymdups wrote:For the record, I don't think Phil is going anywhere necessarily. But I do think Rambis was an option he considered and it was shot down by Melo and possibly Dolan. And I don't believe that Jeannie Buss would reveal the inner workings of Phil's mind on an ESPN interview. She's going to say the most publicly palatable thing. It doesn't mean it's the truth. She's saying the politically correct thing. Doesn't mean it's true.

Dolan has been touring in Europe or something like that and hasn't been heard from in a while. Melo has repeatedly stated that he has not been apart of the coaching decision making process. Rambis may have been an option. But you based majority of your thinking around Phil not targeting Thibbs or Vogal and came to the conclusion that he only wasn't going after those guys due to wanting Rambis. But new information and possibilities have been presented since JH was hired. That Phil was targeting JH the whole time. The *vacation* also turned out to be him visiting his sick brother I believe and not a master plan to force Dolan and Melo to let him choose Rambis.

Still have to wait for the Press conference.