fishmike wrote:I don't disagree about the comments on Rolo's worth. 8-15 range seems more plausible sure. I mentioned #3 for a few reasons.
1) Its a sell high. 28 years old, 3 years left on what is a fantastic contract in the new cap
2) Rolo is polished NBA P&R center and rim protector. Certainly Bender has more upside but we have seen better looking prospects totally bust, and he doesn't help Boston now.
3) He's a perfect fit for Boston, their current roster and everything they need

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:I don't disagree about the comments on Rolo's worth. 8-15 range seems more plausible sure. I mentioned #3 for a few reasons.
1) Its a sell high. 28 years old, 3 years left on what is a fantastic contract in the new cap
2) Rolo is polished NBA P&R center and rim protector. Certainly Bender has more upside but we have seen better looking prospects totally bust, and he doesn't help Boston now.
3) He's a perfect fit for Boston, their current roster and everything they need

Rolo's a nice player but I would not call this a fantastic contract. He's paid roughly what he's worth. It's an adequate contract (maybe a B-). Only players on rookie contracts and a very small percentage of veterans have fantastic A or A+ contracts.

This is probably a better way of saying what I am thinking.

EwingsGlass wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:I don't disagree about the comments on Rolo's worth. 8-15 range seems more plausible sure. I mentioned #3 for a few reasons.
1) Its a sell high. 28 years old, 3 years left on what is a fantastic contract in the new cap
2) Rolo is polished NBA P&R center and rim protector. Certainly Bender has more upside but we have seen better looking prospects totally bust, and he doesn't help Boston now.
3) He's a perfect fit for Boston, their current roster and everything they need

Rolo's a nice player but I would not call this a fantastic contract. He's paid roughly what he's worth. It's an adequate contract (maybe a B-). Only players on rookie contracts and a very small percentage of veterans have fantastic A or A+ contracts.

This is probably a better way of saying what I am thinking.

I was even at first going to give it more like a C. You have to remember the best teams are actually not paying players what they're worth. They have most of their players on bargain contracts. If you're paying a guy exactly what he's worth, that's like paying $500,000 for a $500,000 house. You didn't get a great deal even if the house is nice.
From what I've looked at this summer, I think KD is the only FA worth the max and Whiteside is the only additional one worth near the max (though I'm not sure about him actually). I'm assuming Lebron re-signs with Cleveland. After that, I think a team will get more value from bargain contracts given to strong role players.

Jmpasq wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:While I think Rolo's contract makes him more valuable as the cap increases, the rookie scale contract is not tied to the salary cap making them much more valuable. Boston will fill a starting role for $3.8mm and still have cap space to build. I don't trade that upside AND use $10mm of cap space to get a solid center. Just draft Bender.

You don't trade that controlled contract for Rolo, thats crazy

The Celtic s would put the phone down in record speed

fishmike wrote:I don't disagree about the comments on Rolo's worth. 8-15 range seems more plausible sure. I mentioned #3 for a few reasons.
1) Its a sell high. 28 years old, 3 years left on what is a fantastic contract in the new cap
2) Rolo is polished NBA P&R center and rim protector. Certainly Bender has more upside but we have seen better looking prospects totally bust, and he doesn't help Boston now.
3) He's a perfect fit for Boston, their current roster and everything they need

I think picks 16 and 23 (with recent draft picks like Terry Rozier and James Young being included) are possible for Rolo. The Celtics will need to offload and/or consolidate their cache of draft picks/young players in order to receive any utility, since they already have a very solid 15 man roster. Trading Rolo for 3, is a bit of stretch IMO though but would do it yesterday if it were possible.

With the 16th pick, I'd probably look to target either Skal Labesserie or Thon Maker. Both will likely rise well above this range, however, so I'd look at opportunities to consolidate value with pick 23 and cash to move up. If it is not possible, I'd look to trade down to select Denzel Valentine and reclaim additional assets....but he might actually play himself into the 16th pick when it is all said and done.

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:I don't disagree about the comments on Rolo's worth. 8-15 range seems more plausible sure. I mentioned #3 for a few reasons.
1) Its a sell high. 28 years old, 3 years left on what is a fantastic contract in the new cap
2) Rolo is polished NBA P&R center and rim protector. Certainly Bender has more upside but we have seen better looking prospects totally bust, and he doesn't help Boston now.
3) He's a perfect fit for Boston, their current roster and everything they need

I think picks 16 and 23 (with recent draft picks like Terry Rozier and James Young being included) are possible for Rolo. The Celtics will need to offload and/or consolidate their cache of draft picks/young players in order to receive any utility, since they already have a very solid 15 man roster. Trading Rolo for 3, is a bit of stretch IMO though but would do it yesterday if it were possible.

With the 16th pick, I'd probably look to target either Skal Labesserie or Thon Maker. Both will likely rise well above this range, however, so I'd look at opportunities to consolidate value with pick 23 and cash to move up. If it is not possible, I'd look to trade down to select Denzel Valentine and reclaim additional assets....but he might actually play himself into the 16th pick when it is all said and done.

My gut feeling is pick 3 is too high, but 16+23 isn't enough. Too big a step back for us if we don't get a higher end prospect back. If this was last years draft than yea... pick 3 has zero chance. This is more like the Duncan draft.

Even if we take back an Amir Johnson to act as a stopgap at the 5?

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:I don't disagree about the comments on Rolo's worth. 8-15 range seems more plausible sure. I mentioned #3 for a few reasons.
1) Its a sell high. 28 years old, 3 years left on what is a fantastic contract in the new cap
2) Rolo is polished NBA P&R center and rim protector. Certainly Bender has more upside but we have seen better looking prospects totally bust, and he doesn't help Boston now.
3) He's a perfect fit for Boston, their current roster and everything they need

I think picks 16 and 23 (with recent draft picks like Terry Rozier and James Young being included) are possible for Rolo. The Celtics will need to offload and/or consolidate their cache of draft picks/young players in order to receive any utility, since they already have a very solid 15 man roster. Trading Rolo for 3, is a bit of stretch IMO though but would do it yesterday if it were possible.

With the 16th pick, I'd probably look to target either Skal Labesserie or Thon Maker. Both will likely rise well above this range, however, so I'd look at opportunities to consolidate value with pick 23 and cash to move up. If it is not possible, I'd look to trade down to select Denzel Valentine and reclaim additional assets....but he might actually play himself into the 16th pick when it is all said and done.

My gut feeling is pick 3 is too high, but 16+23 isn't enough. Too big a step back for us if we don't get a higher end prospect back. If this was last years draft than yea... pick 3 has zero chance. This is more like the Duncan draft.

Even if we take back an Amir Johnson to act as a stopgap at the 5?

Sure... for the 3 pick? He's got 1 year and $12mm left. I would def take him. That's a flippable contract for sure. Worst case is its a year. Mt goal is to get another long term piece in place next to KP. Pick 3 is pretty ambitious. Buddy can help any NBA team pretty quickly I would think

No, I was referencing Robin Lopez and cash for Amir Johnson as well as picks 16 and 23. My thinking is that we all expect Willy Hernangomez to inevitably be our starter at 5 in the future but we all know that it will not happen this season. Johnson offers a nice stopgap until Willy can grow into his own and assume the reigns, while allowing us to be competitive at that position in the interim.

At 16 and 23, I'd look to wrangle Denzel Valentine and Thon Maker. It'd be pretty ambitious but if we could pull it off, we'd have one of the most intriguing young cores in the league.