Malcolm wrote:

markvmc wrote:Ah, the old "trade the pick because by then we'll be good and won't need it" move. A Knicks classic.

I appreciate that youse all are emotionally traumatized by recent Knicks history.

And that reasoning . . . is hard to do in an emotionally traumatized state of mind.

But the fact of the matter is . . . that past Knicks management incompetence is
100% irrelevant to the merits of trading draft picks.

You can do it wrong -- who's doubting that, for heaven's sake (?)

But there's nothing wrong with it in principle.

I absolutely defy anyone to show that always keeping mid-level draft picks
is demonstrably a better strategy . . .

It's just too soon for many of us. We haven't experienced having picks every year in a while and most want that experience. 😜

NYK Fans are too traumatized to even think about trading a 1st red pick.

markvmc wrote:Ah, the old "trade the pick because by then we'll be good and won't need it" move. A Knicks classic.

That **** never gets old!

Malcolm wrote:

markvmc wrote:Ah, the old "trade the pick because by then we'll be good and won't need it" move. A Knicks classic.

I appreciate that youse all are emotionally traumatized by recent Knicks history.

And that reasoning . . . is hard to do in an emotionally traumatized state of mind.

But the fact of the matter is . . . that past Knicks management incompetence is
100% irrelevant to the merits of trading draft picks.

You can do it wrong -- who's doubting that, for heaven's sake (?)

But there's nothing wrong with it in principle.

I absolutely defy anyone to show that always keeping mid-level draft picks
is demonstrably a better strategy . . .

You may be right, but knicks have not done a good job. winning % tells the story.
Patience is needed in any strategy, and we have not exercised that.

Malcolm wrote:

markvmc wrote:Ah, the old "trade the pick because by then we'll be good and won't need it" move. A Knicks classic.

I appreciate that youse all are emotionally traumatized by recent Knicks history.

And that reasoning . . . is hard to do in an emotionally traumatized state of mind.

But the fact of the matter is . . . that past Knicks management incompetence is
100% irrelevant to the merits of trading draft picks.

You can do it wrong -- who's doubting that, for heaven's sake (?)

But there's nothing wrong with it in principle.

I absolutely defy anyone to show that always keeping mid-level draft picks
is demonstrably a better strategy . . .

If by recent you mean the last 15+ years, then yes.

We should never be allowed to trade another first round pick, ever. Period.

The mentality that we're just one piece away, one move from being good is false and wrong and misguided.

We've got exactly one piece that we are building with - and that is KP.

So if we can trade our 2018 first rounder and get back 5 or 10 quality players, lets go for it.

Otherwise, stop the nonsense.

franco12 wrote:

Malcolm wrote:

markvmc wrote:Ah, the old "trade the pick because by then we'll be good and won't need it" move. A Knicks classic.

I appreciate that youse all are emotionally traumatized by recent Knicks history.

And that reasoning . . . is hard to do in an emotionally traumatized state of mind.

But the fact of the matter is . . . that past Knicks management incompetence is
100% irrelevant to the merits of trading draft picks.

You can do it wrong -- who's doubting that, for heaven's sake (?)

But there's nothing wrong with it in principle.

I absolutely defy anyone to show that always keeping mid-level draft picks
is demonstrably a better strategy . . .

If by recent you mean the last 15+ years, then yes.

We should never be allowed to trade another first round pick, ever. Period.

The mentality that we're just one piece away, one move from being good is false and wrong and misguided.

We've got exactly one piece that we are building with - and that is KP.

So if we can trade our 2018 first rounder and get back 5 or 10 quality players, lets go for it.

Otherwise, stop the nonsense.

Exactly, the way I look on it is that having a draft pick each year means you essentially get a free player- they might turn out to be a major piece, a role player or a scrub- either way their cap hit is minimal. If you don't have a pick you need to add a player via free agency- if they're a bust you're stuck with a big cap hit for years

newyorker4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Malcolm wrote:

markvmc wrote:Ah, the old "trade the pick because by then we'll be good and won't need it" move. A Knicks classic.

I appreciate that youse all are emotionally traumatized by recent Knicks history.

And that reasoning . . . is hard to do in an emotionally traumatized state of mind.

But the fact of the matter is . . . that past Knicks management incompetence is
100% irrelevant to the merits of trading draft picks.

You can do it wrong -- who's doubting that, for heaven's sake (?)

But there's nothing wrong with it in principle.

I absolutely defy anyone to show that always keeping mid-level draft picks
is demonstrably a better strategy . . .

It's just too soon for many of us. We haven't experienced having picks every year in a while and most want that experience. 😜

NYK Fans are too traumatized to even think about trading a 1st red pick.

I don't know, trading a future 1st round pick for a 1st round pick in this draft is different than trading a future 1st round pick for a player and if we could get into the 1st round of this draft for next years 1st i would actually give that some serious thought but it would have to be for the right pick and a 1st round player that has a legit chance of being a good player in the NBA not a player with any big question marks.

This is considered a weak draft at least for the 1rd. Why should we help Boston or Philly? They have too many picks this year and not every team have assets or interest in acquiring a pick. Since, they won't be able to keep all the players, we could get a late 1st for little compensation. If they ask too much for it, well let them waste it.

Malcolm wrote:

markvmc wrote:Ah, the old "trade the pick because by then we'll be good and won't need it" move. A Knicks classic.

I appreciate that youse all are emotionally traumatized by recent Knicks history.

And that reasoning . . . is hard to do in an emotionally traumatized state of mind.

But the fact of the matter is . . . that past Knicks management incompetence is
100% irrelevant to the merits of trading draft picks.

You can do it wrong -- who's doubting that, for heaven's sake (?)

But there's nothing wrong with it in principle.

I absolutely defy anyone to show that always keeping mid-level draft picks
is demonstrably a better strategy . . .

On another note, you must be a Dub, Malcolm? Not too many places use "youse" as plural form of you. Boston, of course, but unlikely to be a Knicks fan from there.