mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Malcolm wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:This wouldn't be a top 4 front court unless KP becomes a superstar in year 2. Off the top of my head, any frontcourt with Lebron or Durant or Leonard or a few other top players is already better. Statistically, I'm going to guess this is more like a top 12 frontcourt.

I'm not sure you're right statistically.

If you averaged the PERs for the frontcourt rotation (five players) on every team,
I think you'd find my proposed Knicks frontcourt to be among top four.

I'm too lazy to do it . . . but I'd be very surprised if that's not true.

Remember: Anthony is 20.4, Gasol is 21.8, and the other 3 (Williams,
Porzingis, Lopez) are all near 18.0 . . .

The stats comunity doesn't really respect PER much. That said, I don't think it changes things that much. Remember the average NBA player has a PER of 15. That means the average NBA STARTER is going to be significantly higher than 15. In his book, Hollinger (the person who developed PER) came up with labels for different PER levels (like 30.0 = MVP level player). He has 22.5 as "all-star." So that means using his system we'd have zero all-stars.

Nice way to downplay the Knicks Frontcourt. I don't know about were the Knicks would be hypothetically after adding Pau but this last season they were already up pretty high and that to me is not the ceiling for this frontcourt at all.

 
NBA Frontcourt Stats | Overall Stats	                            
No Team	         G  Min  Pts  Reb  Ast  Stl  Blk  To  Pf   Dreb  Oreb  Fgm-a     Pct  3gm-a    Pct  Ftm-a     Pct  Eff  Deff
1  San Antonio	 86 47.4 65.5 32.5 11.9 4.7  4.9  7.1 10.7 24.9  7.6   25.7-50.2 .512 2.5-6.4  .397 11.6-14.3 .810 85.2 22.5
2  Oklahoma City 87 48.3 65.7 34.7 7.7  3.3  4.9  8.2 13.4 24.5  10.1  25.1-48.9 .512 3.9-11.1 .356 11.7-15.0 .778 80.8 13.8
3  Cleveland	 86 48.3 63.5 34.9 11.6 3.7  3.0  7.7 12.2 26.1  8.8   23.5-48.6 .484 4.9-14.3 .345 11.5-15.8 .728 79.8 13.5
4  Atlanta	 88 48.9 61.4 31.8 11.8 5.6  5.1  7.5 12.0 24.6  7.2   23.6-49.5 .477 5.1-14.7 .345 9.1-12.0  .756 79.4 7.7
5  Indiana	 87 48.6 64.5 33.0 9.8  4.9  3.9  8.6 13.8 24.5  8.5   24.1-51.6 .466 4.5-12.3 .364 11.9-15.6 .760 76.2 7.5
6  Utah	         82 49.0 57.7 33.0 9.3  4.7  4.6  8.3 12.4 23.8  9.2   21.4-45.4 .471 3.5-10.0 .353 11.4-15.9 .719 72.5 7.2
7  Golden State	 87 47.2 52.6 33.1 16.0 4.2  4.8  8.0 13.5 25.4  7.7   20.0-41.4 .484 4.4-11.4 .388 8.1-12.3  .658 77.0 7.0
8  Denver	 82 48.5 65.1 34.5 10.4 4.3  3.8  7.8 14.1 24.7  9.8   24.1-51.4 .469 3.8-11.0 .347 13.0-16.9 .769 79.2 4.2
9  Miami	 87 47.9 56.8 32.4 7.9  3.8  5.2  6.5 11.4 25.1  7.3   21.5-44.3 .487 3.7-10.7 .344 10.0-13.8 .726 72.9 4.1
10 New York	 82 47.1 65.6 31.8 9.7  2.7  5.1  8.4 12.2 23.0  8.8   24.5-54.9 .447 3.6-10.9 .334 13.0-16.1 .807 73.1 3.1

The Knicks should improve next year even without any significant changes, but chances are the team makes some upgrades, which should help the bigs to be even more productive.

Yeah, the stats have a strange way of downplaying our team.
I don't understand what you're showing in the table. What exactly is it that our front-court ranks tenth in?

I think that we are ranked 10th in the "NO" stat (column 1). Don't know what the eff that stat means though ...

Offensive efficiency probably since its before defensive effciency. I believe this list is the top ten of DEff for front courts if I piece together the list and past convos.

If that is right I would like to see a top 15-20 list to see how close the knicks where to those teams compared to the top teams. When you are at 3.1 and the top 3 teams are in double digits there might be a problem.

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Malcolm wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:This wouldn't be a top 4 front court unless KP becomes a superstar in year 2. Off the top of my head, any frontcourt with Lebron or Durant or Leonard or a few other top players is already better. Statistically, I'm going to guess this is more like a top 12 frontcourt.

I'm not sure you're right statistically.

If you averaged the PERs for the frontcourt rotation (five players) on every team,
I think you'd find my proposed Knicks frontcourt to be among top four.

I'm too lazy to do it . . . but I'd be very surprised if that's not true.

Remember: Anthony is 20.4, Gasol is 21.8, and the other 3 (Williams,
Porzingis, Lopez) are all near 18.0 . . .

The stats comunity doesn't really respect PER much. That said, I don't think it changes things that much. Remember the average NBA player has a PER of 15. That means the average NBA STARTER is going to be significantly higher than 15. In his book, Hollinger (the person who developed PER) came up with labels for different PER levels (like 30.0 = MVP level player). He has 22.5 as "all-star." So that means using his system we'd have zero all-stars.

Nice way to downplay the Knicks Frontcourt. I don't know about were the Knicks would be hypothetically after adding Pau but this last season they were already up pretty high and that to me is not the ceiling for this frontcourt at all.

 
NBA Frontcourt Stats | Overall Stats	                            
No Team	         G  Min  Pts  Reb  Ast  Stl  Blk  To  Pf   Dreb  Oreb  Fgm-a     Pct  3gm-a    Pct  Ftm-a     Pct  Eff  Deff
1  San Antonio	 86 47.4 65.5 32.5 11.9 4.7  4.9  7.1 10.7 24.9  7.6   25.7-50.2 .512 2.5-6.4  .397 11.6-14.3 .810 85.2 22.5
2  Oklahoma City 87 48.3 65.7 34.7 7.7  3.3  4.9  8.2 13.4 24.5  10.1  25.1-48.9 .512 3.9-11.1 .356 11.7-15.0 .778 80.8 13.8
3  Cleveland	 86 48.3 63.5 34.9 11.6 3.7  3.0  7.7 12.2 26.1  8.8   23.5-48.6 .484 4.9-14.3 .345 11.5-15.8 .728 79.8 13.5
4  Atlanta	 88 48.9 61.4 31.8 11.8 5.6  5.1  7.5 12.0 24.6  7.2   23.6-49.5 .477 5.1-14.7 .345 9.1-12.0  .756 79.4 7.7
5  Indiana	 87 48.6 64.5 33.0 9.8  4.9  3.9  8.6 13.8 24.5  8.5   24.1-51.6 .466 4.5-12.3 .364 11.9-15.6 .760 76.2 7.5
6  Utah	         82 49.0 57.7 33.0 9.3  4.7  4.6  8.3 12.4 23.8  9.2   21.4-45.4 .471 3.5-10.0 .353 11.4-15.9 .719 72.5 7.2
7  Golden State	 87 47.2 52.6 33.1 16.0 4.2  4.8  8.0 13.5 25.4  7.7   20.0-41.4 .484 4.4-11.4 .388 8.1-12.3  .658 77.0 7.0
8  Denver	 82 48.5 65.1 34.5 10.4 4.3  3.8  7.8 14.1 24.7  9.8   24.1-51.4 .469 3.8-11.0 .347 13.0-16.9 .769 79.2 4.2
9  Miami	 87 47.9 56.8 32.4 7.9  3.8  5.2  6.5 11.4 25.1  7.3   21.5-44.3 .487 3.7-10.7 .344 10.0-13.8 .726 72.9 4.1
10 New York	 82 47.1 65.6 31.8 9.7  2.7  5.1  8.4 12.2 23.0  8.8   24.5-54.9 .447 3.6-10.9 .334 13.0-16.1 .807 73.1 3.1

The Knicks should improve next year even without any significant changes, but chances are the team makes some upgrades, which should help the bigs to be even more productive.

Yeah, the stats have a strange way of downplaying our team.
I don't understand what you're showing in the table. What exactly is it that our front-court ranks tenth in?

I think that we are ranked 10th in the "NO" stat (column 1). Don't know what the eff that stat means though ...

Offensive efficiency probably since its before defensive effciency. I believe this list is the top ten of DEff for front courts if I piece together the list and past convos.

If that is right I would like to see a top 15-20 list to see how close the knicks where to those teams compared to the top teams. When you are at 3.1 and the top 3 teams are in double digits there might be a problem.

yeah ... I know that it is Deff in his list but that was just too comical to even comment on.

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Malcolm wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:This wouldn't be a top 4 front court unless KP becomes a superstar in year 2. Off the top of my head, any frontcourt with Lebron or Durant or Leonard or a few other top players is already better. Statistically, I'm going to guess this is more like a top 12 frontcourt.

I'm not sure you're right statistically.

If you averaged the PERs for the frontcourt rotation (five players) on every team,
I think you'd find my proposed Knicks frontcourt to be among top four.

I'm too lazy to do it . . . but I'd be very surprised if that's not true.

Remember: Anthony is 20.4, Gasol is 21.8, and the other 3 (Williams,
Porzingis, Lopez) are all near 18.0 . . .

The stats comunity doesn't really respect PER much. That said, I don't think it changes things that much. Remember the average NBA player has a PER of 15. That means the average NBA STARTER is going to be significantly higher than 15. In his book, Hollinger (the person who developed PER) came up with labels for different PER levels (like 30.0 = MVP level player). He has 22.5 as "all-star." So that means using his system we'd have zero all-stars.

Nice way to downplay the Knicks Frontcourt. I don't know about were the Knicks would be hypothetically after adding Pau but this last season they were already up pretty high and that to me is not the ceiling for this frontcourt at all.

 
NBA Frontcourt Stats | Overall Stats	                            
No Team	         G  Min  Pts  Reb  Ast  Stl  Blk  To  Pf   Dreb  Oreb  Fgm-a     Pct  3gm-a    Pct  Ftm-a     Pct  Eff  Deff
1  San Antonio	 86 47.4 65.5 32.5 11.9 4.7  4.9  7.1 10.7 24.9  7.6   25.7-50.2 .512 2.5-6.4  .397 11.6-14.3 .810 85.2 22.5
2  Oklahoma City 87 48.3 65.7 34.7 7.7  3.3  4.9  8.2 13.4 24.5  10.1  25.1-48.9 .512 3.9-11.1 .356 11.7-15.0 .778 80.8 13.8
3  Cleveland	 86 48.3 63.5 34.9 11.6 3.7  3.0  7.7 12.2 26.1  8.8   23.5-48.6 .484 4.9-14.3 .345 11.5-15.8 .728 79.8 13.5
4  Atlanta	 88 48.9 61.4 31.8 11.8 5.6  5.1  7.5 12.0 24.6  7.2   23.6-49.5 .477 5.1-14.7 .345 9.1-12.0  .756 79.4 7.7
5  Indiana	 87 48.6 64.5 33.0 9.8  4.9  3.9  8.6 13.8 24.5  8.5   24.1-51.6 .466 4.5-12.3 .364 11.9-15.6 .760 76.2 7.5
6  Utah	         82 49.0 57.7 33.0 9.3  4.7  4.6  8.3 12.4 23.8  9.2   21.4-45.4 .471 3.5-10.0 .353 11.4-15.9 .719 72.5 7.2
7  Golden State	 87 47.2 52.6 33.1 16.0 4.2  4.8  8.0 13.5 25.4  7.7   20.0-41.4 .484 4.4-11.4 .388 8.1-12.3  .658 77.0 7.0
8  Denver	 82 48.5 65.1 34.5 10.4 4.3  3.8  7.8 14.1 24.7  9.8   24.1-51.4 .469 3.8-11.0 .347 13.0-16.9 .769 79.2 4.2
9  Miami	 87 47.9 56.8 32.4 7.9  3.8  5.2  6.5 11.4 25.1  7.3   21.5-44.3 .487 3.7-10.7 .344 10.0-13.8 .726 72.9 4.1
10 New York	 82 47.1 65.6 31.8 9.7  2.7  5.1  8.4 12.2 23.0  8.8   24.5-54.9 .447 3.6-10.9 .334 13.0-16.1 .807 73.1 3.1

The Knicks should improve next year even without any significant changes, but chances are the team makes some upgrades, which should help the bigs to be even more productive.

Yeah, the stats have a strange way of downplaying our team.
I don't understand what you're showing in the table. What exactly is it that our front-court ranks tenth in?

I think that we are ranked 10th in the "NO" stat (column 1). Don't know what the eff that stat means though ...

Offensive efficiency probably since its before defensive effciency. I believe this list is the top ten of DEff for front courts if I piece together the list and past convos.

If that is right I would like to see a top 15-20 list to see how close the knicks where to those teams compared to the top teams. When you are at 3.1 and the top 3 teams are in double digits there might be a problem.

yeah ... I know that it is Deff in his list but that was just too comical to even comment on.

You guys talk so much Shyte and don't bother to back up anything or even clearly state why you are being so pessimistic. I can see if you guys ever really posted something of note but you just make lame ass jokes and add nothing. GTFOH already! You don't add Shyte but negativity.

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Malcolm wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:This wouldn't be a top 4 front court unless KP becomes a superstar in year 2. Off the top of my head, any frontcourt with Lebron or Durant or Leonard or a few other top players is already better. Statistically, I'm going to guess this is more like a top 12 frontcourt.

I'm not sure you're right statistically.

If you averaged the PERs for the frontcourt rotation (five players) on every team,
I think you'd find my proposed Knicks frontcourt to be among top four.

I'm too lazy to do it . . . but I'd be very surprised if that's not true.

Remember: Anthony is 20.4, Gasol is 21.8, and the other 3 (Williams,
Porzingis, Lopez) are all near 18.0 . . .

The stats comunity doesn't really respect PER much. That said, I don't think it changes things that much. Remember the average NBA player has a PER of 15. That means the average NBA STARTER is going to be significantly higher than 15. In his book, Hollinger (the person who developed PER) came up with labels for different PER levels (like 30.0 = MVP level player). He has 22.5 as "all-star." So that means using his system we'd have zero all-stars.

Nice way to downplay the Knicks Frontcourt. I don't know about were the Knicks would be hypothetically after adding Pau but this last season they were already up pretty high and that to me is not the ceiling for this frontcourt at all.

 
NBA Frontcourt Stats | Overall Stats	                            
No Team	         G  Min  Pts  Reb  Ast  Stl  Blk  To  Pf   Dreb  Oreb  Fgm-a     Pct  3gm-a    Pct  Ftm-a     Pct  Eff  Deff
1  San Antonio	 86 47.4 65.5 32.5 11.9 4.7  4.9  7.1 10.7 24.9  7.6   25.7-50.2 .512 2.5-6.4  .397 11.6-14.3 .810 85.2 22.5
2  Oklahoma City 87 48.3 65.7 34.7 7.7  3.3  4.9  8.2 13.4 24.5  10.1  25.1-48.9 .512 3.9-11.1 .356 11.7-15.0 .778 80.8 13.8
3  Cleveland	 86 48.3 63.5 34.9 11.6 3.7  3.0  7.7 12.2 26.1  8.8   23.5-48.6 .484 4.9-14.3 .345 11.5-15.8 .728 79.8 13.5
4  Atlanta	 88 48.9 61.4 31.8 11.8 5.6  5.1  7.5 12.0 24.6  7.2   23.6-49.5 .477 5.1-14.7 .345 9.1-12.0  .756 79.4 7.7
5  Indiana	 87 48.6 64.5 33.0 9.8  4.9  3.9  8.6 13.8 24.5  8.5   24.1-51.6 .466 4.5-12.3 .364 11.9-15.6 .760 76.2 7.5
6  Utah	         82 49.0 57.7 33.0 9.3  4.7  4.6  8.3 12.4 23.8  9.2   21.4-45.4 .471 3.5-10.0 .353 11.4-15.9 .719 72.5 7.2
7  Golden State	 87 47.2 52.6 33.1 16.0 4.2  4.8  8.0 13.5 25.4  7.7   20.0-41.4 .484 4.4-11.4 .388 8.1-12.3  .658 77.0 7.0
8  Denver	 82 48.5 65.1 34.5 10.4 4.3  3.8  7.8 14.1 24.7  9.8   24.1-51.4 .469 3.8-11.0 .347 13.0-16.9 .769 79.2 4.2
9  Miami	 87 47.9 56.8 32.4 7.9  3.8  5.2  6.5 11.4 25.1  7.3   21.5-44.3 .487 3.7-10.7 .344 10.0-13.8 .726 72.9 4.1
10 New York	 82 47.1 65.6 31.8 9.7  2.7  5.1  8.4 12.2 23.0  8.8   24.5-54.9 .447 3.6-10.9 .334 13.0-16.1 .807 73.1 3.1

The Knicks should improve next year even without any significant changes, but chances are the team makes some upgrades, which should help the bigs to be even more productive.

Yeah, the stats have a strange way of downplaying our team.
I don't understand what you're showing in the table. What exactly is it that our front-court ranks tenth in?

I think that we are ranked 10th in the "NO" stat (column 1). Don't know what the eff that stat means though ...

Offensive efficiency probably since its before defensive effciency. I believe this list is the top ten of DEff for front courts if I piece together the list and past convos.

If that is right I would like to see a top 15-20 list to see how close the knicks where to those teams compared to the top teams. When you are at 3.1 and the top 3 teams are in double digits there might be a problem.

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Malcolm wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:This wouldn't be a top 4 front court unless KP becomes a superstar in year 2. Off the top of my head, any frontcourt with Lebron or Durant or Leonard or a few other top players is already better. Statistically, I'm going to guess this is more like a top 12 frontcourt.

I'm not sure you're right statistically.

If you averaged the PERs for the frontcourt rotation (five players) on every team,
I think you'd find my proposed Knicks frontcourt to be among top four.

I'm too lazy to do it . . . but I'd be very surprised if that's not true.

Remember: Anthony is 20.4, Gasol is 21.8, and the other 3 (Williams,
Porzingis, Lopez) are all near 18.0 . . .

The stats comunity doesn't really respect PER much. That said, I don't think it changes things that much. Remember the average NBA player has a PER of 15. That means the average NBA STARTER is going to be significantly higher than 15. In his book, Hollinger (the person who developed PER) came up with labels for different PER levels (like 30.0 = MVP level player). He has 22.5 as "all-star." So that means using his system we'd have zero all-stars.

Nice way to downplay the Knicks Frontcourt. I don't know about were the Knicks would be hypothetically after adding Pau but this last season they were already up pretty high and that to me is not the ceiling for this frontcourt at all.

 
NBA Frontcourt Stats | Overall Stats	                            
No Team	         G  Min  Pts  Reb  Ast  Stl  Blk  To  Pf   Dreb  Oreb  Fgm-a     Pct  3gm-a    Pct  Ftm-a     Pct  Eff  Deff
1  San Antonio	 86 47.4 65.5 32.5 11.9 4.7  4.9  7.1 10.7 24.9  7.6   25.7-50.2 .512 2.5-6.4  .397 11.6-14.3 .810 85.2 22.5
2  Oklahoma City 87 48.3 65.7 34.7 7.7  3.3  4.9  8.2 13.4 24.5  10.1  25.1-48.9 .512 3.9-11.1 .356 11.7-15.0 .778 80.8 13.8
3  Cleveland	 86 48.3 63.5 34.9 11.6 3.7  3.0  7.7 12.2 26.1  8.8   23.5-48.6 .484 4.9-14.3 .345 11.5-15.8 .728 79.8 13.5
4  Atlanta	 88 48.9 61.4 31.8 11.8 5.6  5.1  7.5 12.0 24.6  7.2   23.6-49.5 .477 5.1-14.7 .345 9.1-12.0  .756 79.4 7.7
5  Indiana	 87 48.6 64.5 33.0 9.8  4.9  3.9  8.6 13.8 24.5  8.5   24.1-51.6 .466 4.5-12.3 .364 11.9-15.6 .760 76.2 7.5
6  Utah	         82 49.0 57.7 33.0 9.3  4.7  4.6  8.3 12.4 23.8  9.2   21.4-45.4 .471 3.5-10.0 .353 11.4-15.9 .719 72.5 7.2
7  Golden State	 87 47.2 52.6 33.1 16.0 4.2  4.8  8.0 13.5 25.4  7.7   20.0-41.4 .484 4.4-11.4 .388 8.1-12.3  .658 77.0 7.0
8  Denver	 82 48.5 65.1 34.5 10.4 4.3  3.8  7.8 14.1 24.7  9.8   24.1-51.4 .469 3.8-11.0 .347 13.0-16.9 .769 79.2 4.2
9  Miami	 87 47.9 56.8 32.4 7.9  3.8  5.2  6.5 11.4 25.1  7.3   21.5-44.3 .487 3.7-10.7 .344 10.0-13.8 .726 72.9 4.1
10 New York	 82 47.1 65.6 31.8 9.7  2.7  5.1  8.4 12.2 23.0  8.8   24.5-54.9 .447 3.6-10.9 .334 13.0-16.1 .807 73.1 3.1

The Knicks should improve next year even without any significant changes, but chances are the team makes some upgrades, which should help the bigs to be even more productive.

Yeah, the stats have a strange way of downplaying our team.
I don't understand what you're showing in the table. What exactly is it that our front-court ranks tenth in?

I think that we are ranked 10th in the "NO" stat (column 1). Don't know what the eff that stat means though ...

LOL. That's a joke, right?

No it's flat out trolling. It's all that mreinman is good for. Fairly pathetic

I still want to see 2 new guards before anything else.