Vmart wrote:This thing is bigger than Melo. Melo shouldn't be asking he should be in a gym working on his game. Let Phil do his job.

the best player on your team should have some say in certain things, just like you want them to recruit other FA...no one on the roster wants rambis

Regarding Melo and Blatt, it's not like Melo can really influence what Phil does. Phil is gonna do what he thinks is best. I'm sure on some level he thinks about what the players said about Rambis and weighs that in but it's not gonna be due to pressure or embarrassment that he hires the next coach. people need to stop with this DRAMA and CONSPIRACY crap.

SupremeCommander wrote:is it possible the Phil is dragging his feet to make things uncomfortable for Melo so he then requests a trade?

I think that's a possibility. Phil's comments about Melo's no trade clause and about how the team played better when he was out sort of support this thought.

I do think Dolan would have a thing or two to say about trading his prized possession.

Having an all-star starter in the lineup helps justify those MSG ticket prices, too.

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:Phil simply takes a long time with tough decisions. He did this with the Lakers and while he was deliberating and meditating on whether to come back they changed their minds and went with MDA! He took a VERY long time to take the Knicks job. It's simply what he does. There's no need to make too much of what is a normal thing for Phil.

Regarding Melo and Blatt, it's not like Melo can really influence what Phil does. Phil is gonna do what he thinks is best. I'm sure on some level he thinks about what the players said about Rambis and weighs that in but it's not gonna be due to pressure or embarrassment that he hires the next coach. people need to stop with this DRAMA and CONSPIRACY crap.

You have just as much proof for your beliefs as I do for mine. Actually you have less proof, because no one out there is reporting that.

And guess what, the Lakers went another direction because Jimmy Buss hates Phil and didn't want him involved with the team. There is strife within every organization. I feel like people who don't understand this basic truth have never worked in one. Go to any media or sports organization in the world and you will find strife and conflicting agendas at the highest levels. To believe otherwise is pretty naive.

I have PLENTY of proof of what I wrote. It's all documented as to how Phil takes his time on decisions. The Lakers situation is all well documented as well as the length of time Phil took to accept the Knicks job!!! So I have no idea why you're challenging my assertions.

As for my understanding of how Organizations work trust me I know all about that. I've been in management with large and small corporations. This doesn't mean you're correct in your assumption on what's going on with the Knicks. This could easily just be Phil being Phil. He's got a history of doing long drawn out decision making.

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:This thing is bigger than Melo. Melo shouldn't be asking he should be in a gym working on his game. Let Phil do his job.

the best player on your team should have some say in certain things, just like you want them to recruit other FA...no one on the roster wants rambis

No the best player on the team shouldn't have a say that right is reserved for those that are the best in the league.

y2zipper wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:This thing is bigger than Melo. Melo shouldn't be asking he should be in a gym working on his game. Let Phil do his job.

the best player on your team should have some say in certain things, just like you want them to recruit other FA...no one on the roster wants rambis

Melo isn't a good enough player to have this kind of input. If there's strife, there's strife but the worst thing the Knicks can do is build around Melo and put a mediocre team in place. That's a discussion that Phil and Melo need to have. Hire Rambis to tank like LA did with Scott and get.some high picks, then hire a better coach when the job is more attractive. That's what Phil needs to.

I think that Phil is trying to do the long-term rebuild that the Knicks need and is looking post-melo. The problems are that he's handicapped by not having picks because they were traded before.he got here and questions about how long he will be around, which are completely fsir considering his age, opt-out and fiancee.

phil is not here long term, i'll give him 2 ys at best, im almost certain his contract will not be renewed BY CHOICE OR BY DOLAN

crzymdups wrote:

wargames wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Chandler wrote:another unnamed source...

Pops and Belicheck -- two of the greatest coaches ever -- treat the media like crap. I wonder why that is? Perhaps it's because that's what they deserve

The media, particularly Berman, leaks stuff out that people want out there. He didn't make this up. Someone on Melo's team or the Knicks front office team wanted this out there.

What world do you live in that someone leaking information would attach their name to a report like this?

Just because it's a "source" doesn't mean it isn't true. This is the way almost all reporting works.

Not saying it is accurate, but it may well be. Melo's own quotes to the media have implied he wants a full coaching search and wasn't fully happy with Rambis. We all saw in games that KP looked uncomfortable with his role under Rambis - part of the reason I dislike Rambis so much. Rambis's idea that KP is a small forward is one of the dumber things I've ever heard in my basketball following life.

If you've been paying attention Melo (and likely his Agent Leon Rose) have been one of the biggest instigators of the Phil needs to pick a coach other than Rambis. They were the ones that got the ball started on Thibs wanting NY (who is also a client of CAA) and is probably why Melo felt so sure Thibs would take the job if Phil asked. Also Melo has been passive aggressive in his disapproval of Rambis by saying Phil needed to consider everybody which is basically saying "not Rambis".

I said this weeks ago there is a cold war going on at MSG between Melo (who wants the knicks to "build around his window") and Phil who seems very willing to look at the teams prospects post Melo. This coaching search is just a proxy of that. If Phil Hires Rambis you have to assume the knicks are tanking for the 2017 draft, if Phil hires a Blatt or Vogel then the plan would likely be to try and make the playoffs.

Even in this I doubt that Phil goes after Blatt, just because it would be a public display of Melo's influence at the Garden. If anything I could see this making Vogel a better candidate since it would be the compromise between the two.

I would prefer Vogel as well.

But I agree that Melo is in a Cold War with Phil - it's a two way war though, remember. Phil in his end of season press conference said the team played better without Melo, Lance Thomas moved the ball more, etc (while sort of glossing over the fact they were 0-10 without Melo).

I think there are two factions, which is why I have been saying I think Mills would present Blatt as a compromise to Melo (who wanted Thibs) and Phil (who wants Rambis and full Triangle) - Blatt can run a motion offense that incorporates the Triangle elements, but also tweak it.

I don't think Phil likes this and I think he is in Montana mulling either pissing off Melo/Mills and going with Rambis, going with Blatt, maybe coaching himself (though I doubt that), maybe stepping down.

My goodness you're just like the new york media tool bags. You make it sound like Phil came out saying the Knicks are better without Melo when all he really did was talk about how good they played in the games Melo was hurt. He didn't say they're a better team without Melo like you and the media make it sound and i think all it was was Phil being Phil and the guy just doesn't think like a GM before he speaks and just says whatever he wants whether it sounds like he's talking bad about a player or anyone/anything else.

newyorker4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

wargames wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Chandler wrote:another unnamed source...

Pops and Belicheck -- two of the greatest coaches ever -- treat the media like crap. I wonder why that is? Perhaps it's because that's what they deserve

The media, particularly Berman, leaks stuff out that people want out there. He didn't make this up. Someone on Melo's team or the Knicks front office team wanted this out there.

What world do you live in that someone leaking information would attach their name to a report like this?

Just because it's a "source" doesn't mean it isn't true. This is the way almost all reporting works.

Not saying it is accurate, but it may well be. Melo's own quotes to the media have implied he wants a full coaching search and wasn't fully happy with Rambis. We all saw in games that KP looked uncomfortable with his role under Rambis - part of the reason I dislike Rambis so much. Rambis's idea that KP is a small forward is one of the dumber things I've ever heard in my basketball following life.

If you've been paying attention Melo (and likely his Agent Leon Rose) have been one of the biggest instigators of the Phil needs to pick a coach other than Rambis. They were the ones that got the ball started on Thibs wanting NY (who is also a client of CAA) and is probably why Melo felt so sure Thibs would take the job if Phil asked. Also Melo has been passive aggressive in his disapproval of Rambis by saying Phil needed to consider everybody which is basically saying "not Rambis".

I said this weeks ago there is a cold war going on at MSG between Melo (who wants the knicks to "build around his window") and Phil who seems very willing to look at the teams prospects post Melo. This coaching search is just a proxy of that. If Phil Hires Rambis you have to assume the knicks are tanking for the 2017 draft, if Phil hires a Blatt or Vogel then the plan would likely be to try and make the playoffs.

Even in this I doubt that Phil goes after Blatt, just because it would be a public display of Melo's influence at the Garden. If anything I could see this making Vogel a better candidate since it would be the compromise between the two.

I would prefer Vogel as well.

But I agree that Melo is in a Cold War with Phil - it's a two way war though, remember. Phil in his end of season press conference said the team played better without Melo, Lance Thomas moved the ball more, etc (while sort of glossing over the fact they were 0-10 without Melo).

I think there are two factions, which is why I have been saying I think Mills would present Blatt as a compromise to Melo (who wanted Thibs) and Phil (who wants Rambis and full Triangle) - Blatt can run a motion offense that incorporates the Triangle elements, but also tweak it.

I don't think Phil likes this and I think he is in Montana mulling either pissing off Melo/Mills and going with Rambis, going with Blatt, maybe coaching himself (though I doubt that), maybe stepping down.

My goodness you're just like the new york media tool bags. You make it sound like Phil came out saying the Knicks are better without Melo when all he really did was talk about how good they played in the games Melo was hurt. He didn't say they're a better team without Melo like you and the media make it sound and i think all it was was Phil being Phil and the guy just doesn't think like a GM before he speaks and just says whatever he wants whether it sounds like he's talking bad about a player or anyone/anything else.

oh c'mon ... you don't need to be a genius to know that there was more to that.