crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:
He also suggests letting Jackson go. Not a good look for The Vertical in my opinion.

He suggests asking what Phil's commitment level is. Which, given he's on vacation rather than interviewing coaches or scouting potential second round picks... I mean how can you not question it?

Do you not question Phil's commitment at this point? I do.

Though the larger question is - is this the way the rest of the league sees Phil and the Knicks? This isn't some Knicks beatwriter - this is a national writer. I think if this feeling is true, it will make it extremely hard to sign free agents.

We've already seen guys like Rondo, Bazemore (who people here keep laughably suggesting we can sign - he already said he'd never come to NY), etc scoffing at the Triangle and the Knicks...

I think it's gonna be hard to sign FA.

CrushAlot wrote:
How can you question it? Either you are letting Phil handle things or open the door and invite Isiah back down the hall. Let Phil do his job. He is making the decisions. Bazemore looked like crap against the Cavs. He probably signs a big deal that he will never live up to. I think you have to let this thing play out. The owner committed to not meddling and so far has stayed out of things. Phil has the power to do things his way and on his time line. His way may not include the most recently fired head coach and it may include Rambis but right now no one knows. Do you really think Phil holds a triangle seminar if he isn't committed?

That Triangle seminar is very weird and very interesting to me.

Was it Phil trying to dip his feet in the water, to see if he would like coaching again?

Was it to observe Rambis coaching more closely?

If Rambis is the pick, as many suspect, why did he interview Blatt? Was he forced to by Mills/Dolan? Blatt has never run the Triangle and is not someone Phil "knows" - his two supposed criteria for coach. Sure seems like someone else may have suggested the interview.

I do question how long Phil intends to be here. I think he thought it'd be much easier. Don't forget, at the beginning of the 2014-5 17-win season, he was talking as if the playoffs were a given. He really thought that they'd install the Triangle, make the playoffs right away, add some free agents and go from there. That has not happened. They couldn't even get Greg Monroe, who Phil supposedly coveted (and thank god we aren't tied to that crappy player). Is his stomach in this for a longer rebuild? We shall see.

You dudes can't possibly be following this team and thinking everything is honky dory. Something weird is going on with Phil. I don't want Dolan involved. I don't want him anywhere near the damn team. But how do you think he is responding to all this?

Also, this goes back to an earlier suspicion - remember Fisher was fired 48 hours after Matt Barnes came into MSG and made lewd gestures in the game. I do kinda think Dolan had something to do with Fisher being let go and I think it had to do with the Barnes situation, as much as anything else. I really THINK that is true. Yes, that is just my opinion. BUT. If it is true, it implies that Phil has a lot less autonomy than we've been led to believe. This is Dolan, remember. There's a reason our team has sucked for 15 of the last 16 years.

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:
How can you question it? Either you are letting Phil handle things or open the door and invite Isiah back down the hall. Let Phil do his job. He is making the decisions. Bazemore looked like crap against the Cavs. He probably signs a big deal that he will never live up to. I think you have to let this thing play out. The owner committed to not meddling and so far has stayed out of things. Phil has the power to do things his way and on his time line. His way may not include the most recently fired head coach and it may include Rambis but right now no one knows. Do you really think Phil holds a triangle seminar if he isn't committed?

That Triangle seminar is very weird and very interesting to me.

Was it Phil trying to dip his feet in the water, to see if he would like coaching again?

Was it to observe Rambis coaching more closely?

If Rambis is the pick, as many suspect, why did he interview Blatt? Was he forced to by Mills/Dolan? Blatt has never run the Triangle and is not someone Phil "knows" - his two supposed criteria for coach. Sure seems like someone else may have suggested the interview.

I do question how long Phil intends to be here. I think he thought it'd be much easier. Don't forget, at the beginning of the 2014-5 17-win season, he was talking as if the playoffs were a given. He really thought that they'd install the Triangle, make the playoffs right away, add some free agents and go from there. That has not happened. They couldn't even get Greg Monroe, who Phil supposedly coveted (and thank god we aren't tied to that crappy player). Is his stomach in this for a longer rebuild? We shall see.

You dudes can't possibly be following this team and thinking everything is honky dory. Something weird is going on with Phil. I don't want Dolan involved. I don't want him anywhere near the damn team. But how do you think he is responding to all this?

Also, this goes back to an earlier suspicion - remember Fisher was fired 48 hours after Matt Barnes came into MSG and made lewd gestures in the game. I do kinda think Dolan had something to do with Fisher being let go and I think it had to do with the Barnes situation, as much as anything else. I really THINK that is true. Yes, that is just my opinion. BUT. If it is true, it implies that Phil has a lot less autonomy than we've been led to believe. This is Dolan, remember. There's a reason our team has sucked for 15 of the last 16 years.

Dolan is on tour and there was an article about his band in a magazine that he doesn't own. I think he is fine with what is going. I think just like the Rangers, he has put the team in what he thinks are good hands and he is doing his own thing.
In regards to Fisher I don't think we know the half of what was going on. I do know that Brian Windhorst talked about Fisher and Tim Hardaway's girlfriend on Lowe's podcast. That isn't something a guy like Windhorst throws out there unless he knows something about it.

Yeah, I think there's a fair chance Fisher lost the team. Remember Melo's tweet to Hardaway saying "goodbye brother"...?

But in that case, does that mean Phil wasn't as concerned about the deviation from the Triangle?

I am convinced something happened after Memphis came to the Garden. fisher was out two days later. Whether it was Dolan or Melo or whoever.

And Dolan can still easily email Mills his opinion every day. Mills is probably fielding emails from Phil in Montana and Dolan in Eurppe right now.

I just think that the idea that Phil is the only one calling the shots is probably not true. This is the Knicks. The second most valuable team in the nba. A part-time President doesn't get full autonomy, no matter how many times nixluva says he does. Dolan is still watching, I guarantee you that. I guarantee he saw that Vertical article.

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Nalod wrote:Just because he is not public about the coaching situation and somehow fueling the notion that "We deserve to know".

LOL. The idea that Phil is conducting secret interviews that we don't know about... that's so sad, man. That's not happening. If Phil were interviewing - we'd know. This is the Knicks. If the toilet on the third floor in the executive suites is clogged, someone leaks it to Berman or Isola or Begley.

How come they didn't know about Blatt? Or Rolo? Or DWill? Or the trade of THJr.

This is not your Isiah Knicks.

We found out about Blatt like a day after the meeting. We knew he met Rolo. Dwill was a surprise. THjr was a surprise. Draft day deals and free agency signings are different than coaching hires though. Coaching hires around the league leak out. I would say it's almost never a secret when it happens.

Blatt was not announced and Vogel kept mum. Get used to it

give me a break, we don't here about nothing until the media reports it. Vogels name got attach to the knicks before he was even fired, and that came from a local writer. With social media, and all kind of leaks in MSG. The public we'll know something minutes after it happen or about to happen.

"This is how we are going to teach it", and "This is what you need to work on this summer to make it instinctive".
"The gym is open, the coachs are here and Come next season we are doing this even if it means losing every game!!!"

Why? Cuz Phil has experienced the process of how championships are won. Like I said earlier, if he is going to be involved he might be doing blatt and vogel a favor by NOT hiring them.
He might have respect enough to know that these guys have their own gig.