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Typical reactionary front office move: 48 hours after firing their coach, Memphis already has six coaching candidates lined up
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crzymdups
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5/9/2016  3:45 PM
Kurt Rambis doesn't have an official job for next season. Isn't it weird that no one is asking permission to interview him for their coaching vacancies?

Haven't seen Fisher get many looks either.

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5/9/2016  4:00 PM
crzymdups wrote:Kurt Rambis doesn't have an official job for next season. Isn't it weird that no one is asking permission to interview him for their coaching vacancies?

Haven't seen Fisher get many looks either.


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5/9/2016  4:16 PM
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crzymdups wrote:Kurt Rambis doesn't have an official job for next season. Isn't it weird that no one is asking permission to interview him for their coaching vacancies?

Haven't seen Fisher get many looks either.


SIGH! Is this kind of post really necessary?

The two worst records in the NBA over the past 15 years belong to the Knicks and Timberwolves. aka the only teams to consider Rambis for a head coaching job in that time period. Those are just facts.

Kenny Smith, a broadcaster with no coaching experience, has been contacted to interview with the Rockets. The Spurs top assistant Messina has multiple interviews while still being under contract with the Spurs. Luke Walton was hired while under contract as top assistant in Golden State. Rambis has not been contacted for any coaching vacancy other than the New York Knicks. All just straight facts.

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5/9/2016  4:57 PM
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I'd like to see Rambis get the gig and Shaw be top deputy dog. Maybe then seen that Rambis eventually becomes GM and Shaw the gig.

Why? Dot connecters would prefer the starphuch "Past record means better future here" which is a nice thought. Media knows you guys are "bitter" and will play you.
Nalod see's it as "as long as Phil is here and the franchise is building a culture, then why not fill it with guys who have succeeded with Phil and then continue to build on that.
Does "Fishers" departure make for a "safe" hire to satisfy fans? or does a Rambis tenure make for more "Continuance"?
Phil's decision will be met with criticism either way. Media is encouraging the "bitterness" and if he does hire Vogel or Blatt, then they'll say he caved in to fan's.

Memphis was constructed with a power game and as the players age they need to look toward the future. Jorger and the team looked as if they were heading toward a split.
I think the league has now a "Minority interview process" and Ewing is getting looks, but is it because of respect to his HOF status? or Minority? I don't know.

You want rambis to get the job because he showed you how well he's good with ---------(fill in the blank) and how well he handles---------(fill in the blank)

Phil is more than likely going to hire rambis as the head coach, but if he does that and upgrades the roster and the knicks still don't make the playoffs.. you think the media is tough on him now...smh

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5/9/2016  5:21 PM
crzymdups wrote:
nixluva wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Kurt Rambis doesn't have an official job for next season. Isn't it weird that no one is asking permission to interview him for their coaching vacancies?

Haven't seen Fisher get many looks either.


SIGH! Is this kind of post really necessary?

The two worst records in the NBA over the past 15 years belong to the Knicks and Timberwolves. aka the only teams to consider Rambis for a head coaching job in that time period. Those are just facts.

Kenny Smith, a broadcaster with no coaching experience, has been contacted to interview with the Rockets. The Spurs top assistant Messina has multiple interviews while still being under contract with the Spurs. Luke Walton was hired while under contract as top assistant in Golden State. Rambis has not been contacted for any coaching vacancy other than the New York Knicks. All just straight facts.


We all know Rambis is not a top candidate for other teams to target. Bringing up Fisher and Rambis in this way is just more negative BS to confuse the issue. Who cares whether Fisher is getting called for a job or not? With regard to Rambis, we all know he isn't a hot commodity and we know why.

None of that means that Rambis couldn't possibly win games in NY if he were given the Head Coaching job. I'm not even hoping for Rambis to get the job. I prefer Vogel or Blatt, but I just don't think Rambis is as bad as the record he's accumulated would indicate.

What makes the MOST difference is not the Head Coach but the talent on the roster. This has been proven over and over. Only the GREAT Coaches have any huge impact. Most average NBA coaches would be interchangeable. In our case Phil is looking for someone who fits this specific situation. Phil wants someone he can work with. He's got a great relationship with his Front Office team and he wants a coach that fits into that dynamic. Right or wrong that's what Phil is looking for.

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5/9/2016  5:56 PM
nixluva wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
nixluva wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Kurt Rambis doesn't have an official job for next season. Isn't it weird that no one is asking permission to interview him for their coaching vacancies?

Haven't seen Fisher get many looks either.


SIGH! Is this kind of post really necessary?

The two worst records in the NBA over the past 15 years belong to the Knicks and Timberwolves. aka the only teams to consider Rambis for a head coaching job in that time period. Those are just facts.

Kenny Smith, a broadcaster with no coaching experience, has been contacted to interview with the Rockets. The Spurs top assistant Messina has multiple interviews while still being under contract with the Spurs. Luke Walton was hired while under contract as top assistant in Golden State. Rambis has not been contacted for any coaching vacancy other than the New York Knicks. All just straight facts.


We all know Rambis is not a top candidate for other teams to target. Bringing up Fisher and Rambis in this way is just more negative BS to confuse the issue. Who cares whether Fisher is getting called for a job or not? With regard to Rambis, we all know he isn't a hot commodity and we know why.

None of that means that Rambis couldn't possibly win games in NY if he were given the Head Coaching job. I'm not even hoping for Rambis to get the job. I prefer Vogel or Blatt, but I just don't think Rambis is as bad as the record he's accumulated would indicate.

What makes the MOST difference is not the Head Coach but the talent on the roster. This has been proven over and over. Only the GREAT Coaches have any huge impact. Most average NBA coaches would be interchangeable. In our case Phil is looking for someone who fits this specific situation. Phil wants someone he can work with. He's got a great relationship with his Front Office team and he wants a coach that fits into that dynamic. Right or wrong that's what Phil is looking for.

We all know that Rambis isn't considered a top coaching candidate by other teams, but that doesn't mean he can't change.

This is the definition of battered fan syndrome, man.

Do you think Joerger made a difference in Memphis this year? Dragging a team that lost Marc Gasol and Mike Conley to the playoffs in the West? Did Vogel make a difference in Indiana when he upset Woodson's Knicks? When he got Indiana to within a game of the playoffs last year without Paul George?

This is absurd talk, man.

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5/9/2016  7:16 PM
crzymdups wrote:
nixluva wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
nixluva wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Kurt Rambis doesn't have an official job for next season. Isn't it weird that no one is asking permission to interview him for their coaching vacancies?

Haven't seen Fisher get many looks either.


SIGH! Is this kind of post really necessary?

The two worst records in the NBA over the past 15 years belong to the Knicks and Timberwolves. aka the only teams to consider Rambis for a head coaching job in that time period. Those are just facts.

Kenny Smith, a broadcaster with no coaching experience, has been contacted to interview with the Rockets. The Spurs top assistant Messina has multiple interviews while still being under contract with the Spurs. Luke Walton was hired while under contract as top assistant in Golden State. Rambis has not been contacted for any coaching vacancy other than the New York Knicks. All just straight facts.


We all know Rambis is not a top candidate for other teams to target. Bringing up Fisher and Rambis in this way is just more negative BS to confuse the issue. Who cares whether Fisher is getting called for a job or not? With regard to Rambis, we all know he isn't a hot commodity and we know why.

None of that means that Rambis couldn't possibly win games in NY if he were given the Head Coaching job. I'm not even hoping for Rambis to get the job. I prefer Vogel or Blatt, but I just don't think Rambis is as bad as the record he's accumulated would indicate.

What makes the MOST difference is not the Head Coach but the talent on the roster. This has been proven over and over. Only the GREAT Coaches have any huge impact. Most average NBA coaches would be interchangeable. In our case Phil is looking for someone who fits this specific situation. Phil wants someone he can work with. He's got a great relationship with his Front Office team and he wants a coach that fits into that dynamic. Right or wrong that's what Phil is looking for.

We all know that Rambis isn't considered a top coaching candidate by other teams, but that doesn't mean he can't change.

This is the definition of battered fan syndrome, man.

Do you think Joerger made a difference in Memphis this year? Dragging a team that lost Marc Gasol and Mike Conley to the playoffs in the West? Did Vogel make a difference in Indiana when he upset Woodson's Knicks? When he got Indiana to within a game of the playoffs last year without Paul George?

This is absurd talk, man.

Most of the coaches we've been talking about were fired. There were different reasons but they were all fired from their last job. It is important for the GM's of those teams that the coach fits their vision for the team. Some GM's feel the coach has run his course with the players and can't get any more out of them. Whatever the reason these coaches were FIRED!

They're not magicians. A lot of what they do is talent dependent. TALENT is the THE MOST important aspect of your team. A good to great coach can coax more out of a team but the talent is a huge part of what a team can do. Rambis didn't have a losing record when he took over for Del Harris in LA. He may not have won a title, but the talent he had was able to win. Whoever we hire will win if this team is upgraded enough with winning talent.

Personally I prefer Vogel or Blatt, but i'm not gonna lose it if Phil hires Rambis. I'm more concerned with further development of our young players and what kind of upgrades Phil can make to the roster.

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5/9/2016  7:49 PM
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Pretty hasty, if you ask me.

They're going to regret not taking a vacation first to think this through.

The firing seemed a little hasty as well. Joeger is already employed as a head coach again and there are some rumblings that he was having contact with the Kings about their coaching position while he was with Memphis. Seems like a bit of a reactionary thread.
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5/9/2016  9:12 PM
crzymdups wrote:Kurt Rambis doesn't have an official job for next season. Isn't it weird that no one is asking permission to interview him for their coaching vacancies?

Haven't seen Fisher get many looks either.

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5/9/2016  9:13 PM
crzymdups wrote:
nixluva wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Kurt Rambis doesn't have an official job for next season. Isn't it weird that no one is asking permission to interview him for their coaching vacancies?

Haven't seen Fisher get many looks either.


SIGH! Is this kind of post really necessary?

The two worst records in the NBA over the past 15 years belong to the Knicks and Timberwolves. aka the only teams to consider Rambis for a head coaching job in that time period. Those are just facts.

Kenny Smith, a broadcaster with no coaching experience, has been contacted to interview with the Rockets. The Spurs top assistant Messina has multiple interviews while still being under contract with the Spurs. Luke Walton was hired while under contract as top assistant in Golden State. Rambis has not been contacted for any coaching vacancy other than the New York Knicks. All just straight facts.

Straight facts that are also meaningless and quite funny how you're still reaching for everything you can...lol

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5/9/2016  10:51 PM
smackeddog wrote:WHY HASN'T MEMPHIS HIRED A COACH YET?!?!?!

WHY HAVEN'T THE ROCKETS HIRED A COACH YET?!?!??! MOREY IS A BUM! WHY ISN'T HE DOING ANYTHING?!?!?

they are all waiting to see if rambis will be available.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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5/9/2016  10:56 PM
mreinman wrote:
smackeddog wrote:WHY HASN'T MEMPHIS HIRED A COACH YET?!?!?!

WHY HAVEN'T THE ROCKETS HIRED A COACH YET?!?!??! MOREY IS A BUM! WHY ISN'T HE DOING ANYTHING?!?!?

they are all waiting to see if rambis will be available.

Memphis is rumored to be signing Vogel.

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5/10/2016  12:43 AM
mreinman wrote:
smackeddog wrote:WHY HASN'T MEMPHIS HIRED A COACH YET?!?!?!

WHY HAVEN'T THE ROCKETS HIRED A COACH YET?!?!??! MOREY IS A BUM! WHY ISN'T HE DOING ANYTHING?!?!?

they are all waiting to see if rambis will be available.

2009 Rambis was that guy.
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5/10/2016  7:09 AM
So the validation of Rambis, or other coach's is the demand by other teams who are looking to hire one.
If Rambis was in demand, then some would be screaming to why we have not locked him down.

Because he is not, then his value diminishes. In a word, Blatt and Vogel are in demand makes them more valuable.
Rambis if he is not head coach, will be either a coach, or in some other capacity. Rambis's value is to Phil.

No doubt Vogel and Jorger did very good jobs with their teams, but Knicks are not just hiring the best coach, they are hiring the man to fulfill a purpose. That job definition is a bit different than the other guys. In SAC, Jorger need get along with Cousins who is a coach killer. In NY, its about a very dominant president who wants HIS system run the way HE wants it.

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5/10/2016  9:21 AM
Nalod wrote:So the validation of Rambis, or other coach's is the demand by other teams who are looking to hire one.
If Rambis was in demand, then some would be screaming to why we have not locked him down.

Alternatively, maybe some of us just think Rambis is a bad coach.

This opinion might have been formed by watching Rambis coach a game of basketball. Which he is not good at.

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5/10/2016  9:29 AM
crzymdups wrote:
Nalod wrote:So the validation of Rambis, or other coach's is the demand by other teams who are looking to hire one.
If Rambis was in demand, then some would be screaming to why we have not locked him down.

Alternatively, maybe some of us just think Rambis is a bad coach.

This opinion might have been formed by watching Rambis coach a game of basketball. Which he is not good at.

I've already resigned myself to seeing Kurt Rambis on the sidelines for 2016-2017, you should too. As long as Phil doesn't sign any major free agents this summer, Kurt will guide us safely into the lottery, which will be a good thing for the Knicks, in attaining a high draft pick.

What's not so good is we won't attract any free agents in the near future with Rambis or a losing culture....but at least by that time KP will get his running mate next summer and both Kurt and Phil will be out of New York looking to setup with Luke Walton's Lakers on the west coast by 2017 or 2018.

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5/10/2016  9:56 AM
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crzymdups wrote:
Nalod wrote:So the validation of Rambis, or other coach's is the demand by other teams who are looking to hire one.
If Rambis was in demand, then some would be screaming to why we have not locked him down.

Alternatively, maybe some of us just think Rambis is a bad coach.

This opinion might have been formed by watching Rambis coach a game of basketball. Which he is not good at.

I've already resigned myself to seeing Kurt Rambis on the sidelines for 2016-2017, you should too. As long as Phil doesn't sign any major free agents this summer, Kurt will guide us safely into the lottery, which will be a good thing for the Knicks, in attaining a high draft pick.

What's not so good is we won't attract any free agents in the near future with Rambis or a losing culture....but at least by that time KP will get his running mate next summer and both Kurt and Phil will be out of New York looking to setup with Luke Walton's Lakers on the west coast by 2017 or 2018.

Maybe hiring Rambis is a calculated move by Phil to get Melo to opt out which in turn without Melo we'll almost be guaranteeing ourselves to be in the lottery next year. I want Vogel or even Blatt just as much as the next fan does but what a lot of fans are over looking is that we are in the middle of a rebuild still and to do it right it takes time. I remember when Phil first took our president job he said that he wouldn't mind if he's not around for the winning if it takes his whole time here to complete his rebuild, he just wants to do this the right way and refuses to make a bad move to try to hurry up the rebuild.

I understand the frustration but you gotta respect Phil for knowing how much crap he was gonna have to take from the fans and media if he was gonna do this rebuild in New York City but still moving ahead and doing this the right way and i think everything he does is calculated, he might do and say things that sound and look a little cooky but he doesn't care.

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newyorker4ever wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Nalod wrote:So the validation of Rambis, or other coach's is the demand by other teams who are looking to hire one.
If Rambis was in demand, then some would be screaming to why we have not locked him down.

Alternatively, maybe some of us just think Rambis is a bad coach.

This opinion might have been formed by watching Rambis coach a game of basketball. Which he is not good at.

I've already resigned myself to seeing Kurt Rambis on the sidelines for 2016-2017, you should too. As long as Phil doesn't sign any major free agents this summer, Kurt will guide us safely into the lottery, which will be a good thing for the Knicks, in attaining a high draft pick.

What's not so good is we won't attract any free agents in the near future with Rambis or a losing culture....but at least by that time KP will get his running mate next summer and both Kurt and Phil will be out of New York looking to setup with Luke Walton's Lakers on the west coast by 2017 or 2018.

Maybe hiring Rambis is a calculated move by Phil to get Melo to opt out which in turn without Melo we'll almost be guaranteeing ourselves to be in the lottery next year. I want Vogel or even Blatt just as much as the next fan does but what a lot of fans are over looking is that we are in the middle of a rebuild still and to do it right it takes time. I remember when Phil first took our president job he said that he wouldn't mind if he's not around for the winning if it takes his whole time here to complete his rebuild, he just wants to do this the right way and refuses to make a bad move to try to hurry up the rebuild.

I understand the frustration but you gotta respect Phil for knowing how much crap he was gonna have to take from the fans and media if he was gonna do this rebuild in New York City but still moving ahead and doing this the right way and i think everything he does is calculated, he might do and say things that sound and look a little cooky but he doesn't care.

Always thought that's where the $12M came in. To take all of the crap that came from media and impatient fans and the impossible situation of Dolan and capped out team with 1 pick in 3 years.

This long wait on naming coach is moving into the interesting stage; it'll either be a bland naming of Rambis or something from left field.

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5/10/2016  10:19 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/10/2016  10:20 AM
Remember when we were told Phil couldn't handle the travel of the NBA season? It's kind of ironic that Phil is on a road trip to Montana instead of interviewing any of the great free agent coaches out there. I guess he can handle the travel sometimes?

Remember when Phil was on vacation earlier this year? And he told us to embrace the serpent? Maybe that just meant what it sounded like - "suck my d***ck"

Can't wait to see where Phil vacations next!

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5/10/2016  10:49 AM
crzymdups wrote:Remember when we were told Phil couldn't handle the travel of the NBA season? It's kind of ironic that Phil is on a road trip to Montana instead of interviewing any of the great free agent coaches out there. I guess he can handle the travel sometimes?

Remember when Phil was on vacation earlier this year? And he told us to embrace the serpent? Maybe that just meant what it sounded like - "suck my d***ck"

Can't wait to see where Phil vacations next!

He owns a home in Montana. They have phones, computers and jet service if need be. Do you need a tracking device and a "phil cam" so you can see what he does or is not?
Do you think that some how the knicks are in a state of emergency and he should be in MSG to orchestrate a round the clock coaching operation?

I am fascinated by the presumptive behavior you depict Phil to be disengaged with. Since Rambis is not your apparent choice, you are making assumptions based on Media stories and filling in the gaps as if you have some knowledge about Phil, what he is doing, what he is thinking and who he talks to.

With all that your connecting the dots as "Negligence".

Typical reactionary front office move: 48 hours after firing their coach, Memphis already has six coaching candidates lined up

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