wargames wrote:

fwk00 wrote:What the hell are the Jax critics smoking these days? Do you EVER give it a rest?

Good Lord. Everyone gets time off - MSG burning? Call the fire department - Phil isn't the custodian.

Phil is more connected to this team and its future than the sum of you jamokes can imagine and you can bet his digs in the Dakotas have running water and internet service.

Sometimes it sounds like there are Jr High School dropouts writing this crap.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Delegation+of+authority

They just can't be Happy.

Mills does the first step to going after vogel the day after he is fired and somehow that still implies to some people Phil is messing up.......

Also people getting angry about Mills saying Phil he hasn't made a decision on how to proceed are conveniently forgetting how just yesterday it came out the majority of NBA execs think he is going to hire Rambis. Mills had to tell Vogels reps that so they would understand if an interview happens it wouldn't be some smokescreen. Vogel would have a legit chance to be hired.

Also while I am 100% against Rambis being the HC you have to admit the fact Phil has at most only looked at 3 other people (Blatt, Rambis, possibly Walton) means unlike other team HC interviews. If the knicks ask you to come in they think highly of you. That should mean something.

They're a joke- remember how they were all blasting Phil for not landing Monroe at a max contract last offseason? Kind of quiet about that now, aren't they...

I really don't get it- we all knew we had to tear things down when Phil took over. He did, and as a result we landed a potential franchise piece in KP. The expectation for last year was 30 something games, everyone said we wouldn't make the playoffs EVERY media piece said no team goes from our record the year before to the playoffs. We achieved exactly what was expected, but for some reason the media has gone into meltdown mode.

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Please lord. Please. Just this once.

smackeddog wrote:

wargames wrote:

fwk00 wrote:What the hell are the Jax critics smoking these days? Do you EVER give it a rest?

Good Lord. Everyone gets time off - MSG burning? Call the fire department - Phil isn't the custodian.

Phil is more connected to this team and its future than the sum of you jamokes can imagine and you can bet his digs in the Dakotas have running water and internet service.

Sometimes it sounds like there are Jr High School dropouts writing this crap.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Delegation+of+authority

They just can't be Happy.

Mills does the first step to going after vogel the day after he is fired and somehow that still implies to some people Phil is messing up.......

Also people getting angry about Mills saying Phil he hasn't made a decision on how to proceed are conveniently forgetting how just yesterday it came out the majority of NBA execs think he is going to hire Rambis. Mills had to tell Vogels reps that so they would understand if an interview happens it wouldn't be some smokescreen. Vogel would have a legit chance to be hired.

Also while I am 100% against Rambis being the HC you have to admit the fact Phil has at most only looked at 3 other people (Blatt, Rambis, possibly Walton) means unlike other team HC interviews. If the knicks ask you to come in they think highly of you. That should mean something.

They're a joke- remember how they were all blasting Phil for not landing Monroe at a max contract last offseason? Kind of quiet about that now, aren't they...

I really don't get it- we all knew we had to tear things down when Phil took over. He did, and as a result we landed a potential franchise piece in KP. The expectation for last year was 30 something games, everyone said we wouldn't make the playoffs EVERY media piece said no team goes from our record the year before to the playoffs. We achieved exactly what was expected, but for some reason the media has gone into meltdown mode.

It's like a disinformation virus has infected the NYC media and a handful of "fans" who think anyNewPerson in charge can wave a magic wand and make NBA contenders appear on their team.

Credible study after study shows that young PGs take three to five years to mature. That it takes long term commitment to a core group of players that lasts three to five years to begin a winning culture. Here we are at the end of year one, and there are people running around yelling as if the sky was falling.

That's not legitimate criticism - that's just malicious ignorance. Dolan trusts Phil and for good reason. We finally have a professional administration in place and its going to pay off big - just not last week.

BRIGGS wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

wargames wrote:

fwk00 wrote:What the hell are the Jax critics smoking these days? Do you EVER give it a rest?

Good Lord. Everyone gets time off - MSG burning? Call the fire department - Phil isn't the custodian.

Phil is more connected to this team and its future than the sum of you jamokes can imagine and you can bet his digs in the Dakotas have running water and internet service.

Sometimes it sounds like there are Jr High School dropouts writing this crap.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Delegation+of+authority

They just can't be Happy.

Mills does the first step to going after vogel the day after he is fired and somehow that still implies to some people Phil is messing up.......

Also people getting angry about Mills saying Phil he hasn't made a decision on how to proceed are conveniently forgetting how just yesterday it came out the majority of NBA execs think he is going to hire Rambis. Mills had to tell Vogels reps that so they would understand if an interview happens it wouldn't be some smokescreen. Vogel would have a legit chance to be hired.

Also while I am 100% against Rambis being the HC you have to admit the fact Phil has at most only looked at 3 other people (Blatt, Rambis, possibly Walton) means unlike other team HC interviews. If the knicks ask you to come in they think highly of you. That should mean something.

They're a joke- remember how they were all blasting Phil for not landing Monroe at a max contract last offseason? Kind of quiet about that now, aren't they...

I really don't get it- we all knew we had to tear things down when Phil took over. He did, and as a result we landed a potential franchise piece in KP. The expectation for last year was 30 something games, everyone said we wouldn't make the playoffs EVERY media piece said no team goes from our record the year before to the playoffs. We achieved exactly what was expected, but for some reason the media has gone into meltdown mode.

It's like a disinformation virus has infected the NYC media and a handful of "fans" who think anyNewPerson in charge can wave a magic wand and make NBA contenders appear on their team.

Credible study after study shows that young PGs take three to five years to mature. That it takes long term commitment to a core group of players that lasts three to five years to begin a winning culture. Here we are at the end of year one, and there are people running around yelling as if the sky was falling.

That's not legitimate criticism - that's just malicious ignorance. Dolan trusts Phil and for good reason. We finally have a professional administration in place and its going to pay off big - just not last week.

Fwk-- then what's the value of having a Carmelo Anthony at 33 on the Knicks?

BRIGGS wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

wargames wrote:

fwk00 wrote:What the hell are the Jax critics smoking these days? Do you EVER give it a rest?

Good Lord. Everyone gets time off - MSG burning? Call the fire department - Phil isn't the custodian.

Phil is more connected to this team and its future than the sum of you jamokes can imagine and you can bet his digs in the Dakotas have running water and internet service.

Sometimes it sounds like there are Jr High School dropouts writing this crap.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Delegation+of+authority

They just can't be Happy.

Mills does the first step to going after vogel the day after he is fired and somehow that still implies to some people Phil is messing up.......

Also people getting angry about Mills saying Phil he hasn't made a decision on how to proceed are conveniently forgetting how just yesterday it came out the majority of NBA execs think he is going to hire Rambis. Mills had to tell Vogels reps that so they would understand if an interview happens it wouldn't be some smokescreen. Vogel would have a legit chance to be hired.

Also while I am 100% against Rambis being the HC you have to admit the fact Phil has at most only looked at 3 other people (Blatt, Rambis, possibly Walton) means unlike other team HC interviews. If the knicks ask you to come in they think highly of you. That should mean something.

They're a joke- remember how they were all blasting Phil for not landing Monroe at a max contract last offseason? Kind of quiet about that now, aren't they...

I really don't get it- we all knew we had to tear things down when Phil took over. He did, and as a result we landed a potential franchise piece in KP. The expectation for last year was 30 something games, everyone said we wouldn't make the playoffs EVERY media piece said no team goes from our record the year before to the playoffs. We achieved exactly what was expected, but for some reason the media has gone into meltdown mode.

It's like a disinformation virus has infected the NYC media and a handful of "fans" who think anyNewPerson in charge can wave a magic wand and make NBA contenders appear on their team.

Credible study after study shows that young PGs take three to five years to mature. That it takes long term commitment to a core group of players that lasts three to five years to begin a winning culture. Here we are at the end of year one, and there are people running around yelling as if the sky was falling.

That's not legitimate criticism - that's just malicious ignorance. Dolan trusts Phil and for good reason. We finally have a professional administration in place and its going to pay off big - just not last week.

Fwk-- then what's the value of having a Carmelo Anthony at 33 on the Knicks?

But who's to say Phil sees any value in having a 33 year old Melo on the Knicks?? Are you forgetting that he has a NTC and there's nothing we can do about it?? I'm sure you've been paying attention to everything Phil has been doing and how a lot of the stuff he's been saying and doing looks like he's trying to anger Melo into waiving that NTC so maybe Phil doesn't see any value in having a 33 year old Melo but as of now nothing can be done about it.

wargames wrote:

matt wrote:Theory from Michael Kay, which I think makes the most sense:

The garden, in its constant state of paranoia, made the decision to leak to Berman (who always seems to get scoops) that they made contact with Vogel just to make it seem like they're trying. It's still Rambis

That's rediculous and makes no sense

... are you familiar with the Garden? Unfortunately it makes too much sense, especially with ESPN 98.7 being affiliated with the Knicks.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/frank-vogel-won-confirm-knicks-gm-reached-article-1.2628011

newyorker4ever wrote:Not sure if this article has been posted but this is the first time i saw that L.Bird made a comment that the players were tuning out Vogel which if true is a big concern. I don't want a coach that any player on the team will tune out because it only takes one not listening to the head coach for it to spread through the locker room.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/frank-vogel-won-confirm-knicks-gm-reached-article-1.2628011

This is why the average tenure in the NBA is so short. "Concern" is also the assumption that all things good and bad transfer to the new team.
Blatt and Lebron did not get along for many reasons, but not because of Blatts acumen. Lebron has clashed with all of his coach's but that's his nature and while he can be difficult, he gets you to the finals and beyond what the team is capable of.

Pop has not won every year and his players have bought into him big time. The trio of Manu, Parker and Duncan have played the most games, and won the most games as any trio of players in the history of the game.
Is it because Pop is amazing? Its in part because the cuture in SAS is bigger than anyone player. Duncan took a big pay cut to promote the cuture. They have choosen to be part of something bigger.

Remember when George hill Started in the playoffs over Tony Parker a few years back? Pop was very hard on Parker and he could have requested a trade. After all, Parker also was never paid top dollar was he was a free agent. In fact, Duncan went to bat for him and got him a deal. Parker reacted to improve his game and instead of leaving, he stayed and bought in. Pop in response trusted him and further galvanized the culture. Not everything in SAS went smooth or according to plan but you have to look at the buy in the players and the response by management.

This is what Phil is being paid the big money. This is what he missed in Chicago and in LA when Jimmy Buss took over. Knicks are trying to build a culture. Bird's culture in Indy thinks the players have tuned out Vogel. That is not right or wrong, its part of his decision making. Should it be a concern in NY? not really, in fact, if you read Phil's books he will tell you he had teams tune him out and he failed to reach them or keep them motivated. It happens.