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5/6/2016  2:56 PM
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
nixluva wrote:The truth is that not every team is going to be hunting the exact same players we are. Sure everyone is gonna want the elite guys in this FA Class, but this team is particularly looking for big SG/Combo Guards. Not every team has a need at PG/SG. Some teams have guys already or will be trying to retain their own guys.

Another issue is that some teams are not likely destinations for FA's since they are rebuilding and even less attractive than the Knicks. Philly is gonna have a lot of money but I'm not sure FA's will view them as a good landing spot. At least NY can sell KP, Melo and RoLo. Yes it's gonna be tough but there should be opportunity for the Knicks to grab someone.


Exactly, which is why we have to act quick, and for the player we want, make an offer that will not be beaten (but within reason). One thing we know Phil has, which we don't as fans, is the intel from agents of which players will be interested in coming to NY if the money is right. Hopefully between all of the players we have identified as options, Phil knows which ones already have NY at the top of their lists.
phil needs to still prove he can do it...so far he hasnt

WTF Man??? Free Agents are just that! They make the final decision on where they want to go. Phil can only do so much to attract Free Agents and from what we know as a FACT, is that he gives great presentations. DeAndre Jordan in particular made note of that fact even tho he didn't come here.

“I had a great meeting and great presentation,’’ Jordan said after Tuesday’s US Olympic Team mini-camp. “Phil Jackson speaks for himself. Fish [Derek Fisher] did a great job. The whole team had a plan with the organization, a plan for me that was cool. I just decided to stay with the Clippers, but it was great.

“The Knicks were definitely a team I was considering.’’

Jordan reportedly was looking for more of a role in the offense than he’s had with the Clippers despite his putrid foul-shooting. Jackson had a plan for that.

“Phil was great on how they’d fit in me in the [triangle] system offensively, defensively, how I’d fit in the organization, so they really had a plan for me,’’ Jordan said. “That was really good.”

http://nypost.com/2015/08/12/deandre-jordan-phils-cool-plan-made-me-take-knicks-seriously/
whether the bold is true or not doesn't matter. Phil Jackson was not only brought in here to fix this organization, but he was brought in here draw talent. If you don't think that's part of his $12mm then this is not a reality based discussion. To say that Phil has yet to land a big fish is 100% fair. Near misses don't count. Im happy with the direction of the team, but it remains to be seen if Phil can bring in marquee talent
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5/6/2016  2:58 PM
fishmike wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
nixluva wrote:The truth is that not every team is going to be hunting the exact same players we are. Sure everyone is gonna want the elite guys in this FA Class, but this team is particularly looking for big SG/Combo Guards. Not every team has a need at PG/SG. Some teams have guys already or will be trying to retain their own guys.

Another issue is that some teams are not likely destinations for FA's since they are rebuilding and even less attractive than the Knicks. Philly is gonna have a lot of money but I'm not sure FA's will view them as a good landing spot. At least NY can sell KP, Melo and RoLo. Yes it's gonna be tough but there should be opportunity for the Knicks to grab someone.


Exactly, which is why we have to act quick, and for the player we want, make an offer that will not be beaten (but within reason). One thing we know Phil has, which we don't as fans, is the intel from agents of which players will be interested in coming to NY if the money is right. Hopefully between all of the players we have identified as options, Phil knows which ones already have NY at the top of their lists.
phil needs to still prove he can do it...so far he hasnt

WTF Man??? Free Agents are just that! They make the final decision on where they want to go. Phil can only do so much to attract Free Agents and from what we know as a FACT, is that he gives great presentations. DeAndre Jordan in particular made note of that fact even tho he didn't come here.

“I had a great meeting and great presentation,’’ Jordan said after Tuesday’s US Olympic Team mini-camp. “Phil Jackson speaks for himself. Fish [Derek Fisher] did a great job. The whole team had a plan with the organization, a plan for me that was cool. I just decided to stay with the Clippers, but it was great.

“The Knicks were definitely a team I was considering.’’

Jordan reportedly was looking for more of a role in the offense than he’s had with the Clippers despite his putrid foul-shooting. Jackson had a plan for that.

“Phil was great on how they’d fit in me in the [triangle] system offensively, defensively, how I’d fit in the organization, so they really had a plan for me,’’ Jordan said. “That was really good.”

http://nypost.com/2015/08/12/deandre-jordan-phils-cool-plan-made-me-take-knicks-seriously/
whether the bold is true or not doesn't matter. Phil Jackson was not only brought in here to fix this organization, but he was brought in here draw talent. If you don't think that's part of his $12mm then this is not a reality based discussion. To say that Phil has yet to land a big fish is 100% fair. Near misses don't count. Im happy with the direction of the team, but it remains to be seen if Phil can bring in marquee talent

anyone can bring in talent if you stupidly overpay for it. Example: maxing out batum. That IMHO would be a terrible move that fans are still trained to want.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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5/6/2016  2:58 PM
Knixkik wrote:
Chandler wrote:
Knixkik wrote:We will have to act fast and overpay, simple as that. People will be mad about us overpaying some role player, but its necessary.

with a salary cap this is a recipe for ruin

I would like one example where this has ever worked. Pure pablum for an impatient fan base

You can't compare it to any other example, because the salary cap is different than it has ever been. It will climb each year, so there will likely always be available cap space, at least for the foreseeable future. Not saying it's the right thing to do, but it is much different than managing a team cap from earlier years.

Well if you're trying to say we pay more than what we would a couple of years ago -- or what might seem like "naturally" right -- then I would agree with you.

But if you're saying pay more than market, or be the high bidder, then i say NO. I want absolutely no part of ANY player who is coming here simply because we're paying more than the number two bidder. You do that and you'll get absolutely what you pay for, a money-grubbing, heartless, selfish player. If there were no cap, I'd sing a different tune. I'd be the most generous person on the planet with Dolan's money

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5/6/2016  3:01 PM
Knixkik wrote:
nixluva wrote:The truth is that not every team is going to be hunting the exact same players we are. Sure everyone is gonna want the elite guys in this FA Class, but this team is particularly looking for big SG/Combo Guards. Not every team has a need at PG/SG. Some teams have guys already or will be trying to retain their own guys.

Another issue is that some teams are not likely destinations for FA's since they are rebuilding and even less attractive than the Knicks. Philly is gonna have a lot of money but I'm not sure FA's will view them as a good landing spot. At least NY can sell KP, Melo and RoLo. Yes it's gonna be tough but there should be opportunity for the Knicks to grab someone.


Exactly, which is why we have to act quick, and for the player we want, make an offer that will not be beaten (but within reason). One thing we know Phil has, which we don't as fans, is the intel from agents of which players will be interested in coming to NY if the money is right. Hopefully between all of the players we have identified as options, Phil knows which ones already have NY at the top of their lists.

Why would you want a player who reacts to that? Wouldn't you prefer a player who shares the teams vision of a future. I mean afterall, everyone we're talking about here is making millions. Good riddance to those seeking to squeeze every nickel out of a contract -- it only hurts the team.

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5/6/2016  3:04 PM
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
nixluva wrote:The truth is that not every team is going to be hunting the exact same players we are. Sure everyone is gonna want the elite guys in this FA Class, but this team is particularly looking for big SG/Combo Guards. Not every team has a need at PG/SG. Some teams have guys already or will be trying to retain their own guys.

Another issue is that some teams are not likely destinations for FA's since they are rebuilding and even less attractive than the Knicks. Philly is gonna have a lot of money but I'm not sure FA's will view them as a good landing spot. At least NY can sell KP, Melo and RoLo. Yes it's gonna be tough but there should be opportunity for the Knicks to grab someone.


Exactly, which is why we have to act quick, and for the player we want, make an offer that will not be beaten (but within reason). One thing we know Phil has, which we don't as fans, is the intel from agents of which players will be interested in coming to NY if the money is right. Hopefully between all of the players we have identified as options, Phil knows which ones already have NY at the top of their lists.
phil needs to still prove he can do it...so far he hasnt

WTF Man??? Free Agents are just that! They make the final decision on where they want to go. Phil can only do so much to attract Free Agents and from what we know as a FACT, is that he gives great presentations. DeAndre Jordan in particular made note of that fact even tho he didn't come here.

“I had a great meeting and great presentation,’’ Jordan said after Tuesday’s US Olympic Team mini-camp. “Phil Jackson speaks for himself. Fish [Derek Fisher] did a great job. The whole team had a plan with the organization, a plan for me that was cool. I just decided to stay with the Clippers, but it was great.

“The Knicks were definitely a team I was considering.’’

Jordan reportedly was looking for more of a role in the offense than he’s had with the Clippers despite his putrid foul-shooting. Jackson had a plan for that.

“Phil was great on how they’d fit in me in the [triangle] system offensively, defensively, how I’d fit in the organization, so they really had a plan for me,’’ Jordan said. “That was really good.”

http://nypost.com/2015/08/12/deandre-jordan-phils-cool-plan-made-me-take-knicks-seriously/
whether the bold is true or not doesn't matter. Phil Jackson was not only brought in here to fix this organization, but he was brought in here draw talent. If you don't think that's part of his $12mm then this is not a reality based discussion. To say that Phil has yet to land a big fish is 100% fair. Near misses don't count. Im happy with the direction of the team, but it remains to be seen if Phil can bring in marquee talent

anyone can bring in talent if you stupidly overpay for it. Example: maxing out batum. That IMHO would be a terrible move that fans are still trained to want.

that isn't much of an overpay. Not terrible at all. There are a ton of good reasons and 4 years $90 makes a lot of sense. He's not my first choice but his impact on the whole roster would be considerable. That's a core player you are getting for 4 years, and if you overpay a few things need to be lined up. Does he fill immediate team needs? Bigtime. Does he accelerate the growth of others on the roster? Bigtime. Does he fit your system of play? Bigtime. Does his age fit a 4 year deal? Bigtime.
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5/6/2016  3:13 PM
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
nixluva wrote:The truth is that not every team is going to be hunting the exact same players we are. Sure everyone is gonna want the elite guys in this FA Class, but this team is particularly looking for big SG/Combo Guards. Not every team has a need at PG/SG. Some teams have guys already or will be trying to retain their own guys.

Another issue is that some teams are not likely destinations for FA's since they are rebuilding and even less attractive than the Knicks. Philly is gonna have a lot of money but I'm not sure FA's will view them as a good landing spot. At least NY can sell KP, Melo and RoLo. Yes it's gonna be tough but there should be opportunity for the Knicks to grab someone.


Exactly, which is why we have to act quick, and for the player we want, make an offer that will not be beaten (but within reason). One thing we know Phil has, which we don't as fans, is the intel from agents of which players will be interested in coming to NY if the money is right. Hopefully between all of the players we have identified as options, Phil knows which ones already have NY at the top of their lists.
phil needs to still prove he can do it...so far he hasnt

WTF Man??? Free Agents are just that! They make the final decision on where they want to go. Phil can only do so much to attract Free Agents and from what we know as a FACT, is that he gives great presentations. DeAndre Jordan in particular made note of that fact even tho he didn't come here.

“I had a great meeting and great presentation,’’ Jordan said after Tuesday’s US Olympic Team mini-camp. “Phil Jackson speaks for himself. Fish [Derek Fisher] did a great job. The whole team had a plan with the organization, a plan for me that was cool. I just decided to stay with the Clippers, but it was great.

“The Knicks were definitely a team I was considering.’’

Jordan reportedly was looking for more of a role in the offense than he’s had with the Clippers despite his putrid foul-shooting. Jackson had a plan for that.

“Phil was great on how they’d fit in me in the [triangle] system offensively, defensively, how I’d fit in the organization, so they really had a plan for me,’’ Jordan said. “That was really good.”

http://nypost.com/2015/08/12/deandre-jordan-phils-cool-plan-made-me-take-knicks-seriously/
whether the bold is true or not doesn't matter. Phil Jackson was not only brought in here to fix this organization, but he was brought in here draw talent. If you don't think that's part of his $12mm then this is not a reality based discussion. To say that Phil has yet to land a big fish is 100% fair. Near misses don't count. Im happy with the direction of the team, but it remains to be seen if Phil can bring in marquee talent

anyone can bring in talent if you stupidly overpay for it. Example: maxing out batum. That IMHO would be a terrible move that fans are still trained to want.

that isn't much of an overpay. Not terrible at all. There are a ton of good reasons and 4 years $90 makes a lot of sense. He's not my first choice but his impact on the whole roster would be considerable. That's a core player you are getting for 4 years, and if you overpay a few things need to be lined up. Does he fill immediate team needs? Bigtime. Does he accelerate the growth of others on the roster? Bigtime. Does he fit your system of play? Bigtime. Does his age fit a 4 year deal? Bigtime.

he did not have a great year and has never really shown up in the postseason.

Everyone is just stuck remembering his first half this season.

Does Portland look like they miss him? Also, while being decent at everything, he is not really good at anything. I would rather take a few cheaper flyers on some unknowns like Seth Curry and maybe even solomon hill.

Batum to me is worth 15 - 18 MAX!

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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5/6/2016  3:18 PM
fishmike wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
nixluva wrote:The truth is that not every team is going to be hunting the exact same players we are. Sure everyone is gonna want the elite guys in this FA Class, but this team is particularly looking for big SG/Combo Guards. Not every team has a need at PG/SG. Some teams have guys already or will be trying to retain their own guys.

Another issue is that some teams are not likely destinations for FA's since they are rebuilding and even less attractive than the Knicks. Philly is gonna have a lot of money but I'm not sure FA's will view them as a good landing spot. At least NY can sell KP, Melo and RoLo. Yes it's gonna be tough but there should be opportunity for the Knicks to grab someone.


Exactly, which is why we have to act quick, and for the player we want, make an offer that will not be beaten (but within reason). One thing we know Phil has, which we don't as fans, is the intel from agents of which players will be interested in coming to NY if the money is right. Hopefully between all of the players we have identified as options, Phil knows which ones already have NY at the top of their lists.
phil needs to still prove he can do it...so far he hasnt

WTF Man??? Free Agents are just that! They make the final decision on where they want to go. Phil can only do so much to attract Free Agents and from what we know as a FACT, is that he gives great presentations. DeAndre Jordan in particular made note of that fact even tho he didn't come here.

“I had a great meeting and great presentation,’’ Jordan said after Tuesday’s US Olympic Team mini-camp. “Phil Jackson speaks for himself. Fish [Derek Fisher] did a great job. The whole team had a plan with the organization, a plan for me that was cool. I just decided to stay with the Clippers, but it was great.

“The Knicks were definitely a team I was considering.’’

Jordan reportedly was looking for more of a role in the offense than he’s had with the Clippers despite his putrid foul-shooting. Jackson had a plan for that.

“Phil was great on how they’d fit in me in the [triangle] system offensively, defensively, how I’d fit in the organization, so they really had a plan for me,’’ Jordan said. “That was really good.”

http://nypost.com/2015/08/12/deandre-jordan-phils-cool-plan-made-me-take-knicks-seriously/
whether the bold is true or not doesn't matter. Phil Jackson was not only brought in here to fix this organization, but he was brought in here draw talent. If you don't think that's part of his $12mm then this is not a reality based discussion. To say that Phil has yet to land a big fish is 100% fair. Near misses don't count. Im happy with the direction of the team, but it remains to be seen if Phil can bring in marquee talent

Once Phil decided to flush the old roster and tank, he knew it would be harder to land big FA's. IMO it's perfectly understandable that he wasn't able to get one in his only chance to do that so far. Now he has another chance but fewer star FA's to go after. I don't expect big names to realistically be signed this summer but that isn't necessarily as bad as some want to think it is.

Phil still has the chance to land a young up and coming talent in FA. I think that is something he could pull off. IMO RFA's are on the list this year.
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5/6/2016  3:22 PM
If Phil is smart he won't dole out any long term contracts and just sign band aid free agents like he did this year with Afflalo, Seraphim, DWill etc.

TANK HARD in 2016-2017. Then armed with a top 5 pick and MAJOR CAP ROOM, strike while the iron's hot in summer 2017!!!!!!!

http://hoopshype.com/2015/12/30/nba-free-agency-2017-the-top-players/

Steph Curry, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul, Kyle Lowry, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Gordon Hayward, Paul Milsap, Rudy Gobert.

I mean it would be foolish to spend that dough this year.
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5/6/2016  3:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/6/2016  3:25 PM
fishmike wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
nixluva wrote:The truth is that not every team is going to be hunting the exact same players we are. Sure everyone is gonna want the elite guys in this FA Class, but this team is particularly looking for big SG/Combo Guards. Not every team has a need at PG/SG. Some teams have guys already or will be trying to retain their own guys.

Another issue is that some teams are not likely destinations for FA's since they are rebuilding and even less attractive than the Knicks. Philly is gonna have a lot of money but I'm not sure FA's will view them as a good landing spot. At least NY can sell KP, Melo and RoLo. Yes it's gonna be tough but there should be opportunity for the Knicks to grab someone.


Exactly, which is why we have to act quick, and for the player we want, make an offer that will not be beaten (but within reason). One thing we know Phil has, which we don't as fans, is the intel from agents of which players will be interested in coming to NY if the money is right. Hopefully between all of the players we have identified as options, Phil knows which ones already have NY at the top of their lists.
phil needs to still prove he can do it...so far he hasnt

WTF Man??? Free Agents are just that! They make the final decision on where they want to go. Phil can only do so much to attract Free Agents and from what we know as a FACT, is that he gives great presentations. DeAndre Jordan in particular made note of that fact even tho he didn't come here.

“I had a great meeting and great presentation,’’ Jordan said after Tuesday’s US Olympic Team mini-camp. “Phil Jackson speaks for himself. Fish [Derek Fisher] did a great job. The whole team had a plan with the organization, a plan for me that was cool. I just decided to stay with the Clippers, but it was great.

“The Knicks were definitely a team I was considering.’’

Jordan reportedly was looking for more of a role in the offense than he’s had with the Clippers despite his putrid foul-shooting. Jackson had a plan for that.

“Phil was great on how they’d fit in me in the [triangle] system offensively, defensively, how I’d fit in the organization, so they really had a plan for me,’’ Jordan said. “That was really good.”

http://nypost.com/2015/08/12/deandre-jordan-phils-cool-plan-made-me-take-knicks-seriously/
whether the bold is true or not doesn't matter. Phil Jackson was not only brought in here to fix this organization, but he was brought in here draw talent. If you don't think that's part of his $12mm then this is not a reality based discussion. To say that Phil has yet to land a big fish is 100% fair. Near misses don't count. Im happy with the direction of the team, but it remains to be seen if Phil can bring in marquee talent
thanks fish. Usually we disagree a lot but we definetly agree on this. For the record i am a fan of phil BUT i try to be honest about him. So far he has made both good and bad moves. I like that he focuses on drafting thats a good sign. Lopez turned out to be a good free agent signing. However he hasnt shown he is able to sign big free agents and his other signings have been lackluster
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5/6/2016  3:25 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:If Phil is smart he won't dole out any long term contracts and just sign band aid free agents like he did this year with Afflalo, Seraphim, DWill etc.

TANK HARD in 2016-2017. Then armed with a top 5 pick and MAJOR CAP ROOM, strike while the iron's hot in summer 2017!!!!!!!

http://hoopshype.com/2015/12/30/nba-free-agency-2017-the-top-players/

Steph Curry, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul, Kyle Lowry, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Gordon Hayward, Paul Milsap, Rudy Gobert.

I mean it would be foolish to spend that dough this year.

He's a very patient and pragmatic man so he could take that approach this summer. Modest signings fits his do no harm approach.
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5/6/2016  3:54 PM
The more I think about free agency the more I think Bradley Beal might be the Knicks guy. He make to much sense. Phil should max him out first chance he gets.
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5/6/2016  5:14 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:Tank this year, get a high draft pick, and save the cap space for 2017.

Just sign 1 year players to fill in the blanks for 2016. That would be the prudent thing to do.

yep...please view my sig. lol

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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callmened wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Tank this year, get a high draft pick, and save the cap space for 2017.

Just sign 1 year players to fill in the blanks for 2016. That would be the prudent thing to do.

yep...please view my sig. lol

I just don't see Phil purposefully tanking this year. This team is not as far from competing as the W/L record makes it seem. It depends on who he actually gets this summer, how the kids develop and who the coach ends up being. I feel Phil wants to make it to the playoffs next year rather than tank again.
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no i dont think he would TANK. there arent any significant FAs who are interested in the knicks to turn the team around. just get mediocre talent (like e. turner) to fill in the blanks. win 35 games and get a draft pick. keep acquiring young talent and save money for 2017 or 18
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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martin wrote:Been trying to keep track of this and update the RFA/UFA with teams.


				Salary	
Rk	Team			2016-17 	Free Agents
30	Cleveland Cavaliers	$103,217,259 	
29	San Antonio Spurs	$84,583,607 	
28	Los Angeles Clippers	$83,949,072 	
27	Toronto Raptors		$82,724,898 	
26	Golden State Warriors	$80,023,544 	
25	Chicago Bulls		$74,201,034 	
24	New Orleans Pelicans	$71,967,511 	
23	Houston Rockets		$71,242,899 	
22	New York Knicks		$69,779,528 	
21	Oklahoma City Thunder	$69,610,963 	
20	Detroit Pistons		$69,150,393 	
19	Minnesota Timberwolves	$68,933,517 	
18	Sacramento Kings	$65,768,345 	
17	Phoenix Suns		$64,221,231 	
16	Memphis Grizzlies	$61,959,704 	
15	Denver Nuggets		$61,725,530 	
14	Dallas Mavericks	$61,315,955 	
13	Utah Jazz		$60,906,285 	
12	Milwaukee Bucks		$60,829,049 	
11	Indiana Pacers		$59,242,253 	
10	Portland Trail Blazers	$56,784,823 	
9	Brooklyn Nets		$56,662,720 	
8	Atlanta Hawks		$55,537,594 	Horford, Bazemore, Muscalla
7	Boston Celtics		$51,161,569 	Turner, Zeller, Sullinger
6	Washington Wizards	$50,268,952 	Beal, Nene, Jarad Dudley, Ramon Sessions
5	Charlotte Hornets	$48,905,399 	Jefferson, Batum, MWilliams, Lee, Lin, Hansbrough
4	Miami Heat		$48,881,586 	Wade, Whiteside
3	Orlando Magic		$44,908,271 	Jennings, Jason Smith, Fournier, 
2	Philadelphia 76ers	$33,377,246 	
1	Los Angeles Lakers	$26,101,518

Like most things its just a starting point because of options and cap holds.
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5/7/2016  7:19 AM
Chandler wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Chandler wrote:
Knixkik wrote:We will have to act fast and overpay, simple as that. People will be mad about us overpaying some role player, but its necessary.

with a salary cap this is a recipe for ruin

I would like one example where this has ever worked. Pure pablum for an impatient fan base

agree, unless that is a core player. A guy like Batum would be a max overpay, but also a core player moving forward. Prefer that over overpaying for role players that don't move the needle.

I agree. this is not a great crop of FAs for us. Only guys I'd "spend" on are Durant, Derozan (who i actually think would blossom in our system and is the right age), Batum, Harrison Barnes (who I think has a nice well rounded game and his best bball is in front of him). The former two I'd max, and the latter two it would be lucrative but sub max. Having said that, in all cases I want someone who wants to be here. No ass-kissing ala Lebron James "The Decision" and no prima donnas. I would be happy if we could get one of those guys (and I'm realistic that we could get zero)

After that I think we're talking short deals and short money for band-aids, or prove-what-you're-made-of contracts

To bad Donnie Walsh was terrible and didn't take Derozan, thats who I would of taken. Would of taken Lopez instead of Gallo too

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5/7/2016  10:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/7/2016  10:38 AM
All this talk about Vogel made me aware of Solomon Hill who had a really decent season and handled himself well in the playoffs. The Pacers messed up and didn't take his 4th year option so while he won't be expensive they can't afford to pay him more than $2.5 million. I like the idea of developing 3&D guys and between him and Lance we would have guys to throw at opposing teams best swingman.

Another possible get would be Allen Crabbe. He has had a very good season similar to Bazemore but is under the radar because CJ McCollum has had such a breakout season. He's been playing as a reserve to CJ but if you look at his history he has constantly improved (his constant improvement of his game was a strength in his Draft Express strength/weaknesses video), Defends well for his position, and can shoot the 3. He's a RFA so the knicks would have to make a legit offer to steal him.

However I think honestly if the plan is to make a run of it with Wroten/Grant as the knicks PG, they need to be paired with a SG who can shoot the 3 and thus keep opposing defenses stuck at the perimeter to open it up for those guys to drive. Also it would be nice to have a legit 3 pt shooting specialist to receive post pass from besides Melo and KP.

Wroten/ Grant/ Jose
Crabbe/ Hill/ Gallo
Melo/ Thomas/
KP/ Willy
RoLo/ O'quinn/ Lou

Should be a 40+ win team unless injuries happen. If they get a decent coach (vogel) and figure that triangle/defense out we could be a playoff team for sure.

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5/7/2016  11:05 AM
wargames wrote:All this talk about Vogel made me aware of Solomon Hill who had a really decent season and handled himself well in the playoffs. The Pacers messed up and didn't take his 4th year option so while he won't be expensive they can't afford to pay him more than $2.5 million. I like the idea of developing 3&D guys and between him and Lance we would have guys to throw at opposing teams best swingman.

Another possible get would be Allen Crabbe. He has had a very good season similar to Bazemore but is under the radar because CJ McCollum has had such a breakout season. He's been playing as a reserve to CJ but if you look at his history he has constantly improved (his constant improvement of his game was a strength in his Draft Express strength/weaknesses video), Defends well for his position, and can shoot the 3. He's a RFA so the knicks would have to make a legit offer to steal him.

However I think honestly if the plan is to make a run of it with Wroten/Grant as the knicks PG, they need to be paired with a SG who can shoot the 3 and thus keep opposing defenses stuck at the perimeter to open it up for those guys to drive. Also it would be nice to have a legit 3 pt shooting specialist to receive post pass from besides Melo and KP.

Wroten/ Grant/ Jose
Crabbe/ Hill/ Gallo
Melo/ Thomas/
KP/ Willy
RoLo/ O'quinn/ Lou

Should be a 40+ win team unless injuries happen. If they get a decent coach (vogel) and figure that triangle/defense out we could be a playoff team for sure.

That is a good and likely plan. Only small change could be Seraphin instead of Lou Amundson.
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5/9/2016  12:20 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/9/2016  12:22 AM
In a game 4 situation Atlanta played Schorder more than Teague and had him in to end the game. I think there is a legit chance the Hawks have a fire sale for players to rebuild since they seem stuck at being a treadmill team (swept by cleave twice in a row).

The knicks might be able to swoop in and get Teague (who is now an expiring and will only become lower in trade value) or Bazemore (though I still like Crabbe for his outside shot more) for relatively cheap because they will need to be paid. Its unlikely, but you never know Atlanta shouldn't try to keep their current team together.

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ChuckBuck wrote:Tank this year, get a high draft pick, and save the cap space for 2017.

Just sign 1 year players to fill in the blanks for 2016. That would be the prudent thing to do.

Depending on what deal presents itself, I tend to agree with standing pat. We should line up our resources with a low win season (KP development year 2), and then shoot for the moon in the next offseason, with KP, Melo nearing the end of his deal, another lottery pick from a solid draft, and max cap room to land a stud scorer.
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So many teams will be targeting free agents its going to be very difficult
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