crzymdups wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:If Phil wanted Rambis he would just name him already. Dolan is not gonna tell him no. After drafting KP Dolan trusts him and Mills works for Phil. Phil is not some idiot old crank! Why do some fans and the media keep trying to make him out to be? He's quirky and different but he's very smart and deliberate.

How do you know Dolan is not going to tell him no?

It's been reported by sources that Dolan is not happy with the idea of Rambis. Honestly those reports mean more to me than your opinions.

Phil isnt a yes man. Dolan would probably have to fire him before he would allow himself to be forced to do anything he didn't want to do.

This is part of why I think he's in Montana right now.

Dolan doesn't have to tell him what to do... but Dolan DOES have to sign off on his hires. And I think there are some signs that Dolan does not want Rambis. For all we know, Dolan may have already flat out said no to Rambis.

My take:

Phil wanted Rambis, Dolan said no, Phil wanted rambis, Dolan said no effin way, phil played zen sh1t on dumb dolan, melo helped dolan come out of zen spell and tell phil to go to hell, so phil went huffing off to montana and said I have the guy I want, do what you have to do but I am going to step away.

Chandler wrote:I'm in the camp that Phil can do what he wants. He probably wants to hear what mills has to say and maybe Dolan and I think he's smart enough to know that melo, thought being skilled, seemingly committed to NYK, and willing to change his game is fundamentally not that smart

If he's interested in Vogel he will be talking w him very soon. Frankly I don't think Phil cares one iota whether the media knows or doesn't know about such reach out. He's interested in winning, not media approval. NY media is horrible. I e never seen such consistently negative over-the-top criticism of a home team

If Vogel is interested in NYK he'll wait for Phil. Some team being the first to call means next to nothing. If it means more than that then we wouldn't want the guy anyway

Realize this is a long way of saying people should chill and this will unfold.

Personally I hope we sign him. He's the real deal. Better than thibs IMO and wo the warts.

And I think his best coaching is in front of him.

Or maybe this is the end. But Dolan doesn't have a quick trigger. He sticks with guys too long, and Phil has brought him Porzingis, a jersey selling cash cow unicorn.

Vmart wrote:Haven't you guys figured it out yet. Phil's fist choices get swept up by better teams or teams in better position to do well faster. Phil probably is think I'm not announcing anyone or anything because if he does 1-2 teams quickly intervene and swoop in and take Phil's candidate. Put it this way coaches are using the Knicks to get better places and more money.

My theory is let Phil have his guy Rambis he is good when talent is there. Give him a chance besides the Knicks won't be very good next year with who ever is coaching them. Phil probably knows this already. The problem here is the papers don't get rejected by FAs and fans think they are the best at everything and they are not the one to get rejected by FAs. Phil has inherited this poor situation. You don't think Phil wanted this years pick?

Blatt, Thibs or Vogel won't change this situation. I'm convinced of it. Without Talent your just foolin' around.

So we haven't even had free agency or the draft yet and you've already determined that we won't be any good next year?? How could that be??

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:I'm in the camp that Phil can do what he wants. He probably wants to hear what mills has to say and maybe Dolan and I think he's smart enough to know that melo, thought being skilled, seemingly committed to NYK, and willing to change his game is fundamentally not that smart

If he's interested in Vogel he will be talking w him very soon. Frankly I don't think Phil cares one iota whether the media knows or doesn't know about such reach out. He's interested in winning, not media approval. NY media is horrible. I e never seen such consistently negative over-the-top criticism of a home team

If Vogel is interested in NYK he'll wait for Phil. Some team being the first to call means next to nothing. If it means more than that then we wouldn't want the guy anyway

Realize this is a long way of saying people should chill and this will unfold.

Personally I hope we sign him. He's the real deal. Better than thibs IMO and wo the warts.

And I think his best coaching is in front of him.

me too, and don't be surprised if Dolan and Phil are all reveling in the negative media attention. I find these guys who think Phil is doing this whole thing to "validate the triangle" to be insane. However I will tell you one thing I could see Phil really enjoying, and that is sticking it to the media. Same with Dolan. For all we know they already have the framework of something in place and are laughing their asses off at how from reality these reports are.

Or maybe this is the end. But Dolan doesn't have a quick trigger. He sticks with guys too long, and Phil has brought him Porzingis, a jersey selling cash cow unicorn.

How long is he going to hang his hat on KP. it never looks right when a President is on vcay, and things at the wrk place is all jacked up....Weather it's the president of a sports franchise or country, your image will take a hit.

Even if he wanted to take a break, why tweet about for a 10 media outlet and a 100 bloggers market place.

Jackson gives the media stuff to right about with all his weird moves he makes.

I can't understand why some of you are babying phil like the media has it out for him. He knew exactly what he was going to have to deal with when he took this job.

Maybe if he stops doing all the weird sht and conduct business like a normal GM/prez, he wont get beat down in the papers, he's just way to cynical IMO.

newyorker4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:If Phil wanted Rambis he would just name him already. Dolan is not gonna tell him no. After drafting KP Dolan trusts him and Mills works for Phil. Phil is not some idiot old crank! Why do some fans and the media keep trying to make him out to be? He's quirky and different but he's very smart and deliberate.

How do you know Dolan is not going to tell him no?

It's been reported by sources that Dolan is not happy with the idea of Rambis. Honestly those reports mean more to me than your opinions.

A writers source means nothing anymore especially when they have been wrong consistently for the past 2 plus years

I don't agree with this. I think the things we are hearing coming out of the Knicks organization and directly from Melo imply that a lot of the organization is not on board with a Rambis hire.

Phil has "autonomy"... but he can't do whatever he wants.

Dolan has invested almost $200M in Melo over the years. That trumps the $60M he gave Jackson.

And, frankly, the mishandling of the Fisher situation, which was embarassing to the organization (Barnes, etc), probably has led to a LOT more internal scrutiny on Phil's next hire.

Coach of the New York Knicks is one of the most prestigious jobs in sports. You don't just give it to Rambis. I think a lot in the organization feel this way. Melo we know feels this way.

Ohhhh geesh, you'll learn sooner or later.

or maybe you will? You seem to never consider that there is even another side.

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:I'm in the camp that Phil can do what he wants. He probably wants to hear what mills has to say and maybe Dolan and I think he's smart enough to know that melo, thought being skilled, seemingly committed to NYK, and willing to change his game is fundamentally not that smart

If he's interested in Vogel he will be talking w him very soon. Frankly I don't think Phil cares one iota whether the media knows or doesn't know about such reach out. He's interested in winning, not media approval. NY media is horrible. I e never seen such consistently negative over-the-top criticism of a home team

If Vogel is interested in NYK he'll wait for Phil. Some team being the first to call means next to nothing. If it means more than that then we wouldn't want the guy anyway

Realize this is a long way of saying people should chill and this will unfold.

Personally I hope we sign him. He's the real deal. Better than thibs IMO and wo the warts.

And I think his best coaching is in front of him.

me too, and don't be surprised if Dolan and Phil are all reveling in the negative media attention. I find these guys who think Phil is doing this whole thing to "validate the triangle" to be insane. However I will tell you one thing I could see Phil really enjoying, and that is sticking it to the media. Same with Dolan. For all we know they already have the framework of something in place and are laughing their asses off at how from reality these reports are.

Or maybe this is the end. But Dolan doesn't have a quick trigger. He sticks with guys too long, and Phil has brought him Porzingis, a jersey selling cash cow unicorn.

How long is he going to hang his hat on KP. it never looks right when a President is on vcay, and things at the wrk place is all jacked up....Weather it's the president of a sports franchise or country, your image will take a hit.

Even if he wanted to take a break, why tweet about for a 10 media outlet and a 100 bloggers market place.

Jackson gives the media stuff to right about with all his weird moves he makes.

I can't understand why some of you are babying phil like the media has it out for him. He knew exactly what he was going to have to deal with when he took this job.

Maybe if he stops doing all the weird sht and conduct business like a normal GM/prez, he wont get beat down in the papers, he's just way to cynical IMO.

SupremeCommander wrote:I think he's waiting for the playoffs to end. Vogel probably won't be the only coach to get fired after the playoffs.

mreinman wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:If Phil wanted Rambis he would just name him already. Dolan is not gonna tell him no. After drafting KP Dolan trusts him and Mills works for Phil. Phil is not some idiot old crank! Why do some fans and the media keep trying to make him out to be? He's quirky and different but he's very smart and deliberate.

How do you know Dolan is not going to tell him no?

It's been reported by sources that Dolan is not happy with the idea of Rambis. Honestly those reports mean more to me than your opinions.

A writers source means nothing anymore especially when they have been wrong consistently for the past 2 plus years

I don't agree with this. I think the things we are hearing coming out of the Knicks organization and directly from Melo imply that a lot of the organization is not on board with a Rambis hire.

Phil has "autonomy"... but he can't do whatever he wants.

Dolan has invested almost $200M in Melo over the years. That trumps the $60M he gave Jackson.

And, frankly, the mishandling of the Fisher situation, which was embarassing to the organization (Barnes, etc), probably has led to a LOT more internal scrutiny on Phil's next hire.

Coach of the New York Knicks is one of the most prestigious jobs in sports. You don't just give it to Rambis. I think a lot in the organization feel this way. Melo we know feels this way.

Ohhhh geesh, you'll learn sooner or later.

or maybe you will? You seem to never consider that there is even another side.

No i'm just realistic about things instead of always finding the bad in everything like, ehem some of you do. Phil wants to win and he's gonna do it the way he thinks it needs to be done and until i see the finished product then i'm not gonna criticize a team in the middle of a rebuild like ehem, some of you do. It's absolutely hilarious that we still have Knicks fans that love to believe everything they hear from our garbage azz new york media people that only want to start trouble and writs stories that aren't always true. Do you really think that other GM's don't spend 8 hours every day in their office in the off season?? If this wasn't new york then all these stupid stories about every single move Phil does or doesn't make wouldn't be out there in the media the way it is in new york. Phil very well could already know exactly who the next head coach of the Knicks will be and if so then why would he need to be at the Garden every day if there's nothing to do?? He has no draft picks and no assets to make a trade for a draft pick (Briggs) unless Melo ends up opting to waive his NTC which we won't know for at least a couple of months so again...why would Phil need to be at the Garden?? Some of you continue to feed into everything the media comes out with and the only reason i can come up with for that is the same reason the media keeps coming up with false stories which is you're just bored and any reason you have to come to a message board and hate on anything you can about the Knicks gives you enjoyment (merrymaid) for some odd reason. Give Phil a chance to do whatever he thinks is best for the Knicks which you have no choice of anyway because Phil is gonna do things the way he wants to do things which i also still can't believe there's still, ehem some people that just don't get that especially when he's actually said this out of his mouth in his own way.

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:If Phil wanted Rambis he would just name him already. Dolan is not gonna tell him no. After drafting KP Dolan trusts him and Mills works for Phil. Phil is not some idiot old crank! Why do some fans and the media keep trying to make him out to be? He's quirky and different but he's very smart and deliberate.

How do you know Dolan is not going to tell him no?

It's been reported by sources that Dolan is not happy with the idea of Rambis. Honestly those reports mean more to me than your opinions.

A writers source means nothing anymore especially when they have been wrong consistently for the past 2 plus years

I don't agree with this. I think the things we are hearing coming out of the Knicks organization and directly from Melo imply that a lot of the organization is not on board with a Rambis hire.

Phil has "autonomy"... but he can't do whatever he wants.

Dolan has invested almost $200M in Melo over the years. That trumps the $60M he gave Jackson.

And, frankly, the mishandling of the Fisher situation, which was embarassing to the organization (Barnes, etc), probably has led to a LOT more internal scrutiny on Phil's next hire.

Coach of the New York Knicks is one of the most prestigious jobs in sports. You don't just give it to Rambis. I think a lot in the organization feel this way. Melo we know feels this way.

So what's your opinion of the Woodson era?

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:I'm in the camp that Phil can do what he wants. He probably wants to hear what mills has to say and maybe Dolan and I think he's smart enough to know that melo, thought being skilled, seemingly committed to NYK, and willing to change his game is fundamentally not that smart

If he's interested in Vogel he will be talking w him very soon. Frankly I don't think Phil cares one iota whether the media knows or doesn't know about such reach out. He's interested in winning, not media approval. NY media is horrible. I e never seen such consistently negative over-the-top criticism of a home team

If Vogel is interested in NYK he'll wait for Phil. Some team being the first to call means next to nothing. If it means more than that then we wouldn't want the guy anyway

Realize this is a long way of saying people should chill and this will unfold.

Personally I hope we sign him. He's the real deal. Better than thibs IMO and wo the warts.

And I think his best coaching is in front of him.

me too, and don't be surprised if Dolan and Phil are all reveling in the negative media attention. I find these guys who think Phil is doing this whole thing to "validate the triangle" to be insane. However I will tell you one thing I could see Phil really enjoying, and that is sticking it to the media. Same with Dolan. For all we know they already have the framework of something in place and are laughing their asses off at how from reality these reports are.

Or maybe this is the end. But Dolan doesn't have a quick trigger. He sticks with guys too long, and Phil has brought him Porzingis, a jersey selling cash cow unicorn.

Yup

My take? Phil is on vacation....thats it.

P. Jackson may be the face and spokesman for the team but he is not the only person that works there. Are more than capable to conduct interviews or research on the next coach.