nixluva wrote:Perhaps now people can understand if Phil is patient in his naming of a new Head Coach. There's no need to panic and rush a signing. He can wait and see what happens with a guy like Vogel. Even if Phil was to miss out on every other coaching option he can still be patient and stick with Rambis for this season if necessary. Vogel would be an excellent option.

perhaps now you can understand how we feel since the "even if" option in your statement above is an absolutely disgusting option. insert hoodwinked bamboozled and all other SAS rants.

Cartman718 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Perhaps now people can understand if Phil is patient in his naming of a new Head Coach. There's no need to panic and rush a signing. He can wait and see what happens with a guy like Vogel. Even if Phil was to miss out on every other coaching option he can still be patient and stick with Rambis for this season if necessary. Vogel would be an excellent option.

perhaps now you can understand how we feel since the "even if" option in your statement above is an absolutely disgusting option. insert hoodwinked bamboozled and all other SAS rants.

nixluva wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Perhaps now people can understand if Phil is patient in his naming of a new Head Coach. There's no need to panic and rush a signing. He can wait and see what happens with a guy like Vogel. Even if Phil was to miss out on every other coaching option he can still be patient and stick with Rambis for this season if necessary. Vogel would be an excellent option.

perhaps now you can understand how we feel since the "even if" option in your statement above is an absolutely disgusting option. insert hoodwinked bamboozled and all other SAS rants.

Rambis is not yet the Head Coach for next season, but having him there means Phil doesn't have to panic in his coaching search. He knows Rambis and has worked with him for many years and won titles with him. Even if you and others don't like Rambis he's an option if Phil can't sign one of the top options he's looking at. There's a certain strength in knowing that. So Phil can search without any panic or feeling of dread as if he had no one at all to fall back on.

“He’s got a great boss, one of the legends of the game,” Vogel said last season, referring to then-coach Derek Fisher. “It’s a good situation, a long-term contract and chance to rebuild it the right way.”

The 42-year-old Vogel, a graduate of Wildwood High School, has a 250-181 record with the Pacers in six seasons, but Bird has never seemed a big fan. Vogel’s job has been said to be in jeopardy in past years. He would seem a perfect fit if front-runner Kurt Rambis agrees to slide over as the offensive coordinator of the triangle.

According to sources, Knicks owner James Dolan felt Vogel outcoached Mike Woodson during the Knicks’ seminal six-game playoff defeat by the Pacers in 2013. The Knicks carried a 54-28 record into the second-round series before being upset — the pivotal moment coming when Carmelo Anthony was blocked at the rim by Roy Hibbert late in the fourth quarter of Game 6.

http://nypost.com/2016/05/02/could-knicks-move-on-frank-vogel-a-closet-phil-jackson-fan/

EnySpree wrote:

crzymdups wrote:The thing I like about Vogel - he just gives off the vibe that he knows what the **** he's doing. Like he's unflappable and on top of ****. Phil had that vibe. I really think Rambis lacks it. It's a weird, intangible quality the best coaches have. And I think you need it for the players to respect you. Vogel has it. Blatt may not even have it - part of his problem with Lebron. Rambis does not have it. I'm sorry, he doesn't.

Just my two cents, but I think there is something to that air of authority and excellence as a coach. Some guys got it, some don't. Vogel has it. Do other guys see that quality in Rambis? I just don't. He's a lieutenant, not a general.

That's how I feel about Vogel exactly. I saw he had it when we played then in the playoffs a few years back. He has that borderline arrogant edge. His team's took that persona on. I love the guy.

Yeah, maybe it's giving your team confidence. I agree the Indy team feeds off his confidence.

Didn't realize Vogel is only 42! Man, it'd be great to lock that guy in.

mreinman wrote:this is destiny ... c'mon phil ... you got your softball opportunity, grab it!

Nothing in Indy has been determined. Contain yourself man!!!

CrushAlot wrote:Wasn't Vogel a bit of a smug @sshole calling out Woodson's coaching, not using Cope enough etc? Not sure if the Knicks should go there. I wonder if Vogel would want a redo on Cope after seeing him as such an unused weapon in ny.

To be fair he was right. The Knicks became a second seed playing small ball and shooting the three (not much unlike the system GSW use)and then just gave that up because Woodson wanted to go big even though he didn't have the personnel to pull it off.

To add insult to injury that same need "to go big" was one of the main reasons given for trading for Bargnani.

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

crzymdups wrote:The thing I like about Vogel - he just gives off the vibe that he knows what the **** he's doing. Like he's unflappable and on top of ****. Phil had that vibe. I really think Rambis lacks it. It's a weird, intangible quality the best coaches have. And I think you need it for the players to respect you. Vogel has it. Blatt may not even have it - part of his problem with Lebron. Rambis does not have it. I'm sorry, he doesn't.

Just my two cents, but I think there is something to that air of authority and excellence as a coach. Some guys got it, some don't. Vogel has it. Do other guys see that quality in Rambis? I just don't. He's a lieutenant, not a general.

That's how I feel about Vogel exactly. I saw he had it when we played then in the playoffs a few years back. He has that borderline arrogant edge. His team's took that persona on. I love the guy.

Yeah, maybe it's giving your team confidence. I agree the Indy team feeds off his confidence.

Didn't realize Vogel is only 42! Man, it'd be great to lock that guy in.

i agree with this. It's one of those odd things like a shooter and confidence (chicken and egg). If he has confidence, he hits his shots and begets more confidence. if not, then...

the other thing i like about him is his defense has been consistently good but you didn't get the Thibs criticisms of killing his players and hating his mgmt.

he's my number one choice right now. ANd keep in mind, we talk about triangle 24/7 it seems on this forum, but defense (particularly in the back court) was our major problem last year

Not only were we ineffective and stopping penetration etc. but we didn't generate any easy buckets to help our offensive number off of steals etc.