mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:but luke is going to run the GS offense which is really triangle just like the spurs but actually GS runs much more triangle than the spurs so in essence luke is really running the Triangle (in principal of course). See? Told you.

The point is that you do like pop and don't run a specific offense. You run what works and makes sense based on what you have. Now why is that so damn hard to get?

I am sure that there are pieces of the triangle that were pieces of the read and react / motion / princeton offenses. I am sure that many of those principles were adopted by "the triangle" and pops offense and kerr's offense.

I am not sure which experiment has a higher chance of beating the odds for success, forcing the triangle on sh1tty players with a sh1tty coach in the modern era or what Hinkie did. I'll (and probably vegas, sloan, and MIT) will bet on what Hinkie did.

I am still not exactly sure what Phil himself actually wants and believes at this point (other than what nix tells me). He is a brilliant man but brilliant men often get clouded by ego at times. I would really love to see if he picks Rambis over Blatt/other ... will be very telling.

Also, I have this feeling that phil goes after Derozen since he seems like the closest to a kobe / mj type (offensive) potential. That would be quite risky but an all in move.

Putting together a team from scratch is new to phil and obviously not as simple as he thought it would be.

I wonder what grade he would get if polled on the open market.

Your posts are getting worse! Now you're sounding like a Troll again. Why call the Knicks ****ty???
You're so F'n sure of yourself but you aren't allowing time for Phil to actually finish doing his job. He hasn't named a coach, hasn't gone thru Free Agency this summer but you've made up your mind already. You don't see how flawed that is.

The Triangle or Triple Post Offense is an evolved system that is full of many different looks. It's been tweaked over many Decades. It's not just one thing. Those who are dissing it mostly don't really know **** about it. They THINK they know but they don't.

There are many different ways to play the game and the Triangle is just one. It's been used effectively at EVERY LEVEL of basketball. Used to win Titles in college and the NBA so what are you complaining about.

As for Phil building a team, he hasn't been building this team for very long despite the way you keep trying to present the facts. When is it ever easy to build a team unless you do a Super Friends like Lebron, Bosh n Wade or KG, Allen n Pierce. It's almost always hard to do. Much harder when you don't have all your picks. Based on what he had to work with Phil has done just fine.

so far the knicks are sh1tty ... you can put whip cream on them but they are still shytty until proven otherwise. You seem to be basing alot on an assumption that he will turn this around and build a winner. Until he does that or at least gets to .500, we are sh1tty. So far, he has done a sh1tty job ... if he stays out his contract and proves people wrong than we will all be happy. Only a selective few are just happy fantasizing or lying to themselves.

You seem to always think that we are and will be better than we end up being.

Is there such a thing as a peachy troll? Can a troll just be one who is a habitual illogical speed poster? Being wrong and screaming at others who are pretty much all much more on target that you are or have been?

People who can think objectively have serious concerns ... please don't troll with silly responses that illogical and homer like to each post. You can just let some go you know ... know need to be all OCD about it.

Here's my take on things. The team is being rebuilt and there were improvements to the roster over what we had last year. Most of your posting doesn't recognize any of this. You were all positive about Hinkie and what he was doing but your own team you call ****ty even tho the Knicks are making progress.

So what if I'm more optimistic in my assessment of how many wins the team will get? The team was looking like it had a chance to achieve those goals before the injury bug hit. That was progress for this team. Now we got to see what worked and what is needed. Phil has the means and opportunity to improve this summer.

The team needs are fewer now than they were. You don't seem to acknowledge this either. I'm curious to see how you will react after Phil's moves this summer. Will it be enough for you to be pleased or not. Should be interesting.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:but luke is going to run the GS offense which is really triangle just like the spurs but actually GS runs much more triangle than the spurs so in essence luke is really running the Triangle (in principal of course). See? Told you.

The point is that you do like pop and don't run a specific offense. You run what works and makes sense based on what you have. Now why is that so damn hard to get?

I am sure that there are pieces of the triangle that were pieces of the read and react / motion / princeton offenses. I am sure that many of those principles were adopted by "the triangle" and pops offense and kerr's offense.

I am not sure which experiment has a higher chance of beating the odds for success, forcing the triangle on sh1tty players with a sh1tty coach in the modern era or what Hinkie did. I'll (and probably vegas, sloan, and MIT) will bet on what Hinkie did.

I am still not exactly sure what Phil himself actually wants and believes at this point (other than what nix tells me). He is a brilliant man but brilliant men often get clouded by ego at times. I would really love to see if he picks Rambis over Blatt/other ... will be very telling.

Also, I have this feeling that phil goes after Derozen since he seems like the closest to a kobe / mj type (offensive) potential. That would be quite risky but an all in move.

Putting together a team from scratch is new to phil and obviously not as simple as he thought it would be.

I wonder what grade he would get if polled on the open market.

Your posts are getting worse! Now you're sounding like a Troll again. Why call the Knicks ****ty???
You're so F'n sure of yourself but you aren't allowing time for Phil to actually finish doing his job. He hasn't named a coach, hasn't gone thru Free Agency this summer but you've made up your mind already. You don't see how flawed that is.

The Triangle or Triple Post Offense is an evolved system that is full of many different looks. It's been tweaked over many Decades. It's not just one thing. Those who are dissing it mostly don't really know **** about it. They THINK they know but they don't.

There are many different ways to play the game and the Triangle is just one. It's been used effectively at EVERY LEVEL of basketball. Used to win Titles in college and the NBA so what are you complaining about.

As for Phil building a team, he hasn't been building this team for very long despite the way you keep trying to present the facts. When is it ever easy to build a team unless you do a Super Friends like Lebron, Bosh n Wade or KG, Allen n Pierce. It's almost always hard to do. Much harder when you don't have all your picks. Based on what he had to work with Phil has done just fine.

so far the knicks are sh1tty ... you can put whip cream on them but they are still shytty until proven otherwise. You seem to be basing alot on an assumption that he will turn this around and build a winner. Until he does that or at least gets to .500, we are sh1tty. So far, he has done a sh1tty job ... if he stays out his contract and proves people wrong than we will all be happy. Only a selective few are just happy fantasizing or lying to themselves.

You seem to always think that we are and will be better than we end up being.

Is there such a thing as a peachy troll? Can a troll just be one who is a habitual illogical speed poster? Being wrong and screaming at others who are pretty much all much more on target that you are or have been?

People who can think objectively have serious concerns ... please don't troll with silly responses that illogical and homer like to each post. You can just let some go you know ... know need to be all OCD about it.

This is Ultimate Knicks so being a team fanatic is expected. I actually fit the description of the forums purpose more than you at this point. You seem to take glee in bashing the team in every thread. The years when I was more accurate in predicting no one remembers but since the team has more often underachieved it's easy to just stay pessimistic and appear smart even tho no real thought went into it at all.

Here's my take on things. The team is being rebuilt and there were improvements to the roster over what we had last year. Most of your posting doesn't recognize any of this. You were all positive about Hinkie and what he was doing but your own team you call ****ty even tho the Knicks are making progress.

So what if I'm more optimistic in my assessment of how many wins the team will get? The team was looking like it had a chance to achieve those goals before the injury bug hit. That was progress for this team. Now we got to see what worked and what is needed. Phil has the means and opportunity to improve this summer.

The team needs are fewer now than they were. You don't seem to acknowledge this either. I'm curious to see how you will react after Phil's moves this summer. Will it be enough for you to be pleased or not. Should be interesting.

so forget about pessimistic me ... how do you think that phil is be judged so far around the league (1 to 5 with 5 being best)?

I think that he has done a bad job and you think that he has done a good job and there are great signs ...

I actually wonder if phil can possibly have a summer that you DON'T approve of. If he signs another Tony Wroten you'll go gaga and you are good to go. I am not as easy to please.

I am opened to being positive if we are moving in the right direction and actually winning (or at least .500 without a starphuck), will you be opened to being negative under any circumstance?

This site is for knicks love but not for blind unearned love.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:but luke is going to run the GS offense which is really triangle just like the spurs but actually GS runs much more triangle than the spurs so in essence luke is really running the Triangle (in principal of course). See? Told you.

The point is that you do like pop and don't run a specific offense. You run what works and makes sense based on what you have. Now why is that so damn hard to get?

I am sure that there are pieces of the triangle that were pieces of the read and react / motion / princeton offenses. I am sure that many of those principles were adopted by "the triangle" and pops offense and kerr's offense.

I am not sure which experiment has a higher chance of beating the odds for success, forcing the triangle on sh1tty players with a sh1tty coach in the modern era or what Hinkie did. I'll (and probably vegas, sloan, and MIT) will bet on what Hinkie did.

I am still not exactly sure what Phil himself actually wants and believes at this point (other than what nix tells me). He is a brilliant man but brilliant men often get clouded by ego at times. I would really love to see if he picks Rambis over Blatt/other ... will be very telling.

Also, I have this feeling that phil goes after Derozen since he seems like the closest to a kobe / mj type (offensive) potential. That would be quite risky but an all in move.

Putting together a team from scratch is new to phil and obviously not as simple as he thought it would be.

I wonder what grade he would get if polled on the open market.

Your posts are getting worse! Now you're sounding like a Troll again. Why call the Knicks ****ty???
You're so F'n sure of yourself but you aren't allowing time for Phil to actually finish doing his job. He hasn't named a coach, hasn't gone thru Free Agency this summer but you've made up your mind already. You don't see how flawed that is.

The Triangle or Triple Post Offense is an evolved system that is full of many different looks. It's been tweaked over many Decades. It's not just one thing. Those who are dissing it mostly don't really know **** about it. They THINK they know but they don't.

There are many different ways to play the game and the Triangle is just one. It's been used effectively at EVERY LEVEL of basketball. Used to win Titles in college and the NBA so what are you complaining about.

As for Phil building a team, he hasn't been building this team for very long despite the way you keep trying to present the facts. When is it ever easy to build a team unless you do a Super Friends like Lebron, Bosh n Wade or KG, Allen n Pierce. It's almost always hard to do. Much harder when you don't have all your picks. Based on what he had to work with Phil has done just fine.

so far the knicks are sh1tty ... you can put whip cream on them but they are still shytty until proven otherwise. You seem to be basing alot on an assumption that he will turn this around and build a winner. Until he does that or at least gets to .500, we are sh1tty. So far, he has done a sh1tty job ... if he stays out his contract and proves people wrong than we will all be happy. Only a selective few are just happy fantasizing or lying to themselves.

You seem to always think that we are and will be better than we end up being.

Is there such a thing as a peachy troll? Can a troll just be one who is a habitual illogical speed poster? Being wrong and screaming at others who are pretty much all much more on target that you are or have been?

People who can think objectively have serious concerns ... please don't troll with silly responses that illogical and homer like to each post. You can just let some go you know ... know need to be all OCD about it.

This is Ultimate Knicks so being a team fanatic is expected. I actually fit the description of the forums purpose more than you at this point. You seem to take glee in bashing the team in every thread. The years when I was more accurate in predicting no one remembers but since the team has more often underachieved it's easy to just stay pessimistic and appear smart even tho no real thought went into it at all.

Here's my take on things. The team is being rebuilt and there were improvements to the roster over what we had last year. Most of your posting doesn't recognize any of this. You were all positive about Hinkie and what he was doing but your own team you call ****ty even tho the Knicks are making progress.

So what if I'm more optimistic in my assessment of how many wins the team will get? The team was looking like it had a chance to achieve those goals before the injury bug hit. That was progress for this team. Now we got to see what worked and what is needed. Phil has the means and opportunity to improve this summer.

The team needs are fewer now than they were. You don't seem to acknowledge this either. I'm curious to see how you will react after Phil's moves this summer. Will it be enough for you to be pleased or not. Should be interesting.

so forget about pessimistic me ... how do you think that phil is be judged so far around the league (1 to 5 with 5 being best)?

I think that he has done a bad job and you think that he has done a good job and there are great signs ...

I actually wonder if phil can possibly have a summer that you DON'T approve of. If he signs another Tony Wroten you'll go gaga and you are good to go. I am not as easy to please.

I am opened to being positive if we are moving in the right direction and actually winning (or at least .500 without a starphuck), will you be opened to being negative under any circumstance?

This site is for knicks love but not for blind unearned love.

My point has continually been that we at least need to see what Phil does this summer to have a sense of whether he can get the right pieces to fill team needs.

Last summer Phil made some long term and short term moves. He did a good job with the Frontcourt but the Backcourt still needs to be upgraded. There was some progress and what you hope is to make substantive improvement each year. Seems simple enough to me.

You love to make fun of me about Wroten but you miss the point. Phil realizes the team needs dynamic guards and with our limited resources he's looking everywhere he can. That's not something to look down on.

if he was looking everywhere he can to find guards, how come we did not bring in 10 guards last season for some real time try outs like every other rebuilding team would do? Which guards to we bring in here (not the d-league) to see if they would pass phils eye test?

next question, aside from the draftees, which young guy(s) has phil brought in here that has done well that phil has locked up? NONE??

So phils lone great move was Lopez (who is a 4th piece type) who was really the only consolation prize left? WAY NOT GOOD ENOUGH!

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:but luke is going to run the GS offense which is really triangle just like the spurs but actually GS runs much more triangle than the spurs so in essence luke is really running the Triangle (in principal of course). See? Told you.

The point is that you do like pop and don't run a specific offense. You run what works and makes sense based on what you have. Now why is that so damn hard to get?

I am sure that there are pieces of the triangle that were pieces of the read and react / motion / princeton offenses. I am sure that many of those principles were adopted by "the triangle" and pops offense and kerr's offense.

I am not sure which experiment has a higher chance of beating the odds for success, forcing the triangle on sh1tty players with a sh1tty coach in the modern era or what Hinkie did. I'll (and probably vegas, sloan, and MIT) will bet on what Hinkie did.

I am still not exactly sure what Phil himself actually wants and believes at this point (other than what nix tells me). He is a brilliant man but brilliant men often get clouded by ego at times. I would really love to see if he picks Rambis over Blatt/other ... will be very telling.

Also, I have this feeling that phil goes after Derozen since he seems like the closest to a kobe / mj type (offensive) potential. That would be quite risky but an all in move.

Putting together a team from scratch is new to phil and obviously not as simple as he thought it would be.

I wonder what grade he would get if polled on the open market.

Your posts are getting worse! Now you're sounding like a Troll again. Why call the Knicks ****ty???
You're so F'n sure of yourself but you aren't allowing time for Phil to actually finish doing his job. He hasn't named a coach, hasn't gone thru Free Agency this summer but you've made up your mind already. You don't see how flawed that is.

The Triangle or Triple Post Offense is an evolved system that is full of many different looks. It's been tweaked over many Decades. It's not just one thing. Those who are dissing it mostly don't really know **** about it. They THINK they know but they don't.

There are many different ways to play the game and the Triangle is just one. It's been used effectively at EVERY LEVEL of basketball. Used to win Titles in college and the NBA so what are you complaining about.

As for Phil building a team, he hasn't been building this team for very long despite the way you keep trying to present the facts. When is it ever easy to build a team unless you do a Super Friends like Lebron, Bosh n Wade or KG, Allen n Pierce. It's almost always hard to do. Much harder when you don't have all your picks. Based on what he had to work with Phil has done just fine.

so far the knicks are sh1tty ... you can put whip cream on them but they are still shytty until proven otherwise. You seem to be basing alot on an assumption that he will turn this around and build a winner. Until he does that or at least gets to .500, we are sh1tty. So far, he has done a sh1tty job ... if he stays out his contract and proves people wrong than we will all be happy. Only a selective few are just happy fantasizing or lying to themselves.

You seem to always think that we are and will be better than we end up being.

Is there such a thing as a peachy troll? Can a troll just be one who is a habitual illogical speed poster? Being wrong and screaming at others who are pretty much all much more on target that you are or have been?

People who can think objectively have serious concerns ... please don't troll with silly responses that illogical and homer like to each post. You can just let some go you know ... know need to be all OCD about it.

This is Ultimate Knicks so being a team fanatic is expected. I actually fit the description of the forums purpose more than you at this point. You seem to take glee in bashing the team in every thread. The years when I was more accurate in predicting no one remembers but since the team has more often underachieved it's easy to just stay pessimistic and appear smart even tho no real thought went into it at all.

Here's my take on things. The team is being rebuilt and there were improvements to the roster over what we had last year. Most of your posting doesn't recognize any of this. You were all positive about Hinkie and what he was doing but your own team you call ****ty even tho the Knicks are making progress.

So what if I'm more optimistic in my assessment of how many wins the team will get? The team was looking like it had a chance to achieve those goals before the injury bug hit. That was progress for this team. Now we got to see what worked and what is needed. Phil has the means and opportunity to improve this summer.

The team needs are fewer now than they were. You don't seem to acknowledge this either. I'm curious to see how you will react after Phil's moves this summer. Will it be enough for you to be pleased or not. Should be interesting.

so forget about pessimistic me ... how do you think that phil is be judged so far around the league (1 to 5 with 5 being best)?

I think that he has done a bad job and you think that he has done a good job and there are great signs ...

I actually wonder if phil can possibly have a summer that you DON'T approve of. If he signs another Tony Wroten you'll go gaga and you are good to go. I am not as easy to please.

I am opened to being positive if we are moving in the right direction and actually winning (or at least .500 without a starphuck), will you be opened to being negative under any circumstance?

This site is for knicks love but not for blind unearned love.

My point has continually been that we at least need to see what Phil does this summer to have a sense of whether he can get the right pieces to fill team needs.

Last summer Phil made some long term and short term moves. He did a good job with the Frontcourt but the Backcourt still needs to be upgraded. There was some progress and what you hope is to make substantive improvement each year. Seems simple enough to me.

You love to make fun of me about Wroten but you miss the point. Phil realizes the team needs dynamic guards and with our limited resources he's looking everywhere he can. That's not something to look down on.

if he was looking everywhere he can to find guards, how come we did not bring in 10 guards last season for some real time try outs like every other rebuilding team would do? Which guards to we bring in here (not the d-league) to see if they would pass phils eye test?

next question, aside from the draftees, which young guy(s) has phil brought in here that has done well that phil has locked up? NONE??

So phils lone great move was Lopez (who is a 4th piece type) who was really the only consolation prize left? WAY NOT GOOD ENOUGH!

You assume that you know better than the Knicks front office but perhaps you're wrong in that assumption. The notion that bringing in 10 guards is necessarily going to magically work is not how things work. Tell us the teams that brought in 10 guards to tryout and what that led to.

Why are you trying to exclude drafted players? Also how many times do we have to point out that this process is still early. Phil built this roster this summer for the most part and he has to do more this summer so why are we acting like he's been here for 5 years already.

I'm not seeing the value of you line of questioning in this post. Also the way you list positives is purposefully in a bad light. Knicks have a top Frontcourt and it will get better as KP develops. This team is only going to gain more talent going forward.

this process did not start this past summer, it started the day he got here. Stop ignoring it as a whole.

How many did we bring in? Did we bring in any guards to see how they/we would do? None? Zero? You are somehow ok with that?

The knicks have a top front line? Top what? Where would you rank them that you are calling them top? And, how about depth if melo who is not young gets hurt? Or if KP who is still frail gets hurt? Happy with our depth or are you only looking at our starting front line if healthy?

nixluva wrote:I created a thread regarding our Frontcourt.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=54232

You may not appreciate our Frontcourt talent but they're good and should only get better. KP's development and adding Willy. RoLo can also get better.

Saw it ... a bit weak though and again, ignoring some glaring issues.

Swishfm3 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/mike_bresnahan/status/726497932237672448

Guess we know why he didn't want to coach the Knicks.

This is my main problem with the Triangle here - does it make sense for the personnel. We have Grant and KP who could thrive in a pick and roll, pace and space offense. We force them into the Triangle.

Fisher didn't want to do that. It is at least PART of the reason he was fired, per Rambis and Phil.

It's a problem going forward.

Hopefully if Blatt comes here, he is given more autonomy.

I've noticed you writing this a lot lately....what is the "Space and pace" offenses?

Pace and space is what the majority of the league plays now - a pg to pace the offense, three shooters to space the floor and a mobile big in the middle. Mda did it in phx, Svg did it with Dwight in Orlando, Pop has done it in San Antonio, particularly when Parker was their second best player.

I believe MDA is generally credited with creating it with Nash. At least the modern form of it.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:I created a thread regarding our Frontcourt.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=54232

You may not appreciate our Frontcourt talent but they're good and should only get better. KP's development and adding Willy. RoLo can also get better.

Saw it ... a bit weak though and again, ignoring some glaring issues.

Why is it weak? That was taking into account a lot of factors and you either are coming out ahead or you're not. This was with poor guard play and a rookie as a key cog. Going forward that shows great promise as we continue to develop and improve our Frontcourt players. I don't understand you pissin on your own team like this. WTF is your issue?

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:I created a thread regarding our Frontcourt.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=54232

You may not appreciate our Frontcourt talent but they're good and should only get better. KP's development and adding Willy. RoLo can also get better.

Saw it ... a bit weak though and again, ignoring some glaring issues.

Why is it weak? That was taking into account a lot of factors and you either are coming out ahead or you're not. This was with poor guard play and a rookie as a key cog. Going forward that shows great promise as we continue to develop and improve our Frontcourt players. I don't understand you pissin on your own team like this. WTF is your issue?

that is your problem. You think that if you are not drinking the koolaid then you are pissin. We think very very differently sir.

Melo is on the down and KP still has a lot to prove even though he looks promising. Rolo is just solid if your other 2 are excellent.

The front line also has no depth, RIGHT??????

The front line still needs lots of work and that is not pissing its easy and simply obvious.

CrushAlot wrote:Who cares what offense the Lakers are running? I will be sure to check them out next year the two times they play the Knicks.

yeah I don't know how it much matters either way. Not even sure why the reporter would ask. Dude barely just signed a contract and is still working on his current gig. I bet HE hasn't put much thought into it.

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Who cares what offense the Lakers are running? I will be sure to check them out next year the two times they play the Knicks.

yeah I don't know how it much matters either way. Not even sure why the reporter would ask. Dude barely just signed a contract and is still working on his current gig. I bet HE hasn't put much thought into it.

Yeah, but he already knew he wouldn't be running the Triangle. Because no one in the league thinks it works. Except Phil. Guess we'll find out!