martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:Posted this in the other thread:

Fish was let go 2/9. Lance Thomas first was injured 2/5 (concussion) and then the knee 3/8 and missed the rest of season (I have a feeling the play of Lance actually correlates to the losing of the Knicks very tightly). KP hit the rookie wall in early Feb and that lasted into March. Jose didn't play for the last 7 games of season, same with KP (that's 2 of 5 starting lineup).

I thought that the play of Rolo and DWill finished the year strong. Jerian was nice at the end but that felt like it was forced. Melo had a very nice March finally getting his legs back after the Boston tripping thing.

All fair. Lance is insanely important to team play and defense.

But I think the numbers make a case that Rambis getting the job without seriously considering another candidate is extremely reckless

If you numbers are effected by missing players, how can you judge Rambis on those numbers?

I really do feel that continuity is THE most important ingredient for next year and maybe the year after. Switching up the offense and defense year after year is awful. KP's growth, Jerian's growth, Rolo's growth, LT growth and even Melo's growth are THE most important things for this year and next year; second to the would be Gallo, Wroten, DWill, WillyG if they are on the team.

I think Phil seriously considered what type of coach he wanted to work with, what type of coach would implement his system, what coach is best for continuity. Why would he bother with Thibs, JVG in those instances? Blatt for sure. Walton for sure.

Given the current circumstances Blatt would be my pick, but that's a compromise pick.

I just want sanity. I want lack of ego. Isn't zen supposed to be about giving up your ego? I don't know if Phil is there yet.

If I had my druthers, I'd install JVG as Coach and President of the Knicks. I have said this for the past ten years at least. Dolan will never do it, so we're cursed by a parade of blowhards who talk a good game. Walsh was a nice reprieve, but Dolan took care of that quickly.

Continuity would be nice, but I just take serious issue with the basic premise that the Triangle is the right way to go here. I think it will not work. I would love to be wrong. If I am wrong, I promise you I will admit it.

JVG as coach and president? The guy who didn't want to play Camby or Spree? The guy that was set in his ways as a coach? What has JVG done to earn that respect? Or did you mean Riley?

JVG played Camby and Spree in the playoffs because he evaluates what is working on the court and responds.

The Camby/Spree stuff was due to a fracture with Ernie Grunfeld during the regular season. Checketts made the call to fire Ernie and Knicks made a run the Finals. Dolan got rid of Checketts and JVG got disgusted and left. It all goes back to Dolan.

But, yes, if I could give any person in the world full autonomy of the Knicks, JVG would be high on that list.

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:Posted this in the other thread:

Fish was let go 2/9. Lance Thomas first was injured 2/5 (concussion) and then the knee 3/8 and missed the rest of season (I have a feeling the play of Lance actually correlates to the losing of the Knicks very tightly). KP hit the rookie wall in early Feb and that lasted into March. Jose didn't play for the last 7 games of season, same with KP (that's 2 of 5 starting lineup).

I thought that the play of Rolo and DWill finished the year strong. Jerian was nice at the end but that felt like it was forced. Melo had a very nice March finally getting his legs back after the Boston tripping thing.

All fair. Lance is insanely important to team play and defense.

But I think the numbers make a case that Rambis getting the job without seriously considering another candidate is extremely reckless

If you numbers are effected by missing players, how can you judge Rambis on those numbers?

I really do feel that continuity is THE most important ingredient for next year and maybe the year after. Switching up the offense and defense year after year is awful. KP's growth, Jerian's growth, Rolo's growth, LT growth and even Melo's growth are THE most important things for this year and next year; second to the would be Gallo, Wroten, DWill, WillyG if they are on the team.

I think Phil seriously considered what type of coach he wanted to work with, what type of coach would implement his system, what coach is best for continuity. Why would he bother with Thibs, JVG in those instances? Blatt for sure. Walton for sure.

Given the current circumstances Blatt would be my pick, but that's a compromise pick.

I just want sanity. I want lack of ego. Isn't zen supposed to be about giving up your ego? I don't know if Phil is there yet.

If I had my druthers, I'd install JVG as Coach and President of the Knicks. I have said this for the past ten years at least. Dolan will never do it, so we're cursed by a parade of blowhards who talk a good game. Walsh was a nice reprieve, but Dolan took care of that quickly.

Continuity would be nice, but I just take serious issue with the basic premise that the Triangle is the right way to go here. I think it will not work. I would love to be wrong. If I am wrong, I promise you I will admit it.

JVG as coach and president? The guy who didn't want to play Camby or Spree? The guy that was set in his ways as a coach? What has JVG done to earn that respect? Or did you mean Riley?

JVG played Camby and Spree in the playoffs because he evaluates what is working on the court and responds.

The Camby/Spree stuff was due to a fracture with Ernie Grunfeld during the regular season. Checketts made the call to fire Ernie and Knicks made a run the Finals. Dolan got rid of Checketts and JVG got disgusted and left. It all goes back to Dolan.

But, yes, if I could give any person in the world full autonomy of the Knicks, JVG would be high on that list.

Yeah well... I think we're just fine with the direction we've got. Also i'm really getting tired of people pissin on Phil as if he's some scrub. He's actually trying to set this franchise up for success. The lack of patience from some fans and the media is maddening. Since when is it easy to build a winning team in the NBA? He hasn't even been at it very long and already some want to change leadership again.

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:Posted this in the other thread:

Fish was let go 2/9. Lance Thomas first was injured 2/5 (concussion) and then the knee 3/8 and missed the rest of season (I have a feeling the play of Lance actually correlates to the losing of the Knicks very tightly). KP hit the rookie wall in early Feb and that lasted into March. Jose didn't play for the last 7 games of season, same with KP (that's 2 of 5 starting lineup).

I thought that the play of Rolo and DWill finished the year strong. Jerian was nice at the end but that felt like it was forced. Melo had a very nice March finally getting his legs back after the Boston tripping thing.

All fair. Lance is insanely important to team play and defense.

But I think the numbers make a case that Rambis getting the job without seriously considering another candidate is extremely reckless

If you numbers are effected by missing players, how can you judge Rambis on those numbers?

I really do feel that continuity is THE most important ingredient for next year and maybe the year after. Switching up the offense and defense year after year is awful. KP's growth, Jerian's growth, Rolo's growth, LT growth and even Melo's growth are THE most important things for this year and next year; second to the would be Gallo, Wroten, DWill, WillyG if they are on the team.

I think Phil seriously considered what type of coach he wanted to work with, what type of coach would implement his system, what coach is best for continuity. Why would he bother with Thibs, JVG in those instances? Blatt for sure. Walton for sure.

Given the current circumstances Blatt would be my pick, but that's a compromise pick.

I just want sanity. I want lack of ego. Isn't zen supposed to be about giving up your ego? I don't know if Phil is there yet.

If I had my druthers, I'd install JVG as Coach and President of the Knicks. I have said this for the past ten years at least. Dolan will never do it, so we're cursed by a parade of blowhards who talk a good game. Walsh was a nice reprieve, but Dolan took care of that quickly.

Continuity would be nice, but I just take serious issue with the basic premise that the Triangle is the right way to go here. I think it will not work. I would love to be wrong. If I am wrong, I promise you I will admit it.

JVG as coach and president? The guy who didn't want to play Camby or Spree? The guy that was set in his ways as a coach? What has JVG done to earn that respect? Or did you mean Riley?

JVG played Camby and Spree in the playoffs because he evaluates what is working on the court and responds.

The Camby/Spree stuff was due to a fracture with Ernie Grunfeld during the regular season. Checketts made the call to fire Ernie and Knicks made a run the Finals. Dolan got rid of Checketts and JVG got disgusted and left. It all goes back to Dolan.

But, yes, if I could give any person in the world full autonomy of the Knicks, JVG would be high on that list.

Grunfeld fired April of 1999 before the run to the finals. Checketts Leaves in May of 2001. JVG Quits December of 2001.

Bizzare.

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:Posted this in the other thread:

Fish was let go 2/9. Lance Thomas first was injured 2/5 (concussion) and then the knee 3/8 and missed the rest of season (I have a feeling the play of Lance actually correlates to the losing of the Knicks very tightly). KP hit the rookie wall in early Feb and that lasted into March. Jose didn't play for the last 7 games of season, same with KP (that's 2 of 5 starting lineup).

I thought that the play of Rolo and DWill finished the year strong. Jerian was nice at the end but that felt like it was forced. Melo had a very nice March finally getting his legs back after the Boston tripping thing.

All fair. Lance is insanely important to team play and defense.

But I think the numbers make a case that Rambis getting the job without seriously considering another candidate is extremely reckless

If you numbers are effected by missing players, how can you judge Rambis on those numbers?

I really do feel that continuity is THE most important ingredient for next year and maybe the year after. Switching up the offense and defense year after year is awful. KP's growth, Jerian's growth, Rolo's growth, LT growth and even Melo's growth are THE most important things for this year and next year; second to the would be Gallo, Wroten, DWill, WillyG if they are on the team.

I think Phil seriously considered what type of coach he wanted to work with, what type of coach would implement his system, what coach is best for continuity. Why would he bother with Thibs, JVG in those instances? Blatt for sure. Walton for sure.

Given the current circumstances Blatt would be my pick, but that's a compromise pick.

I just want sanity. I want lack of ego. Isn't zen supposed to be about giving up your ego? I don't know if Phil is there yet.

If I had my druthers, I'd install JVG as Coach and President of the Knicks. I have said this for the past ten years at least. Dolan will never do it, so we're cursed by a parade of blowhards who talk a good game. Walsh was a nice reprieve, but Dolan took care of that quickly.

Continuity would be nice, but I just take serious issue with the basic premise that the Triangle is the right way to go here. I think it will not work. I would love to be wrong. If I am wrong, I promise you I will admit it.

JVG as coach and president? The guy who didn't want to play Camby or Spree? The guy that was set in his ways as a coach? What has JVG done to earn that respect? Or did you mean Riley?

JVG played Camby and Spree in the playoffs because he evaluates what is working on the court and responds.

The Camby/Spree stuff was due to a fracture with Ernie Grunfeld during the regular season. Checketts made the call to fire Ernie and Knicks made a run the Finals. Dolan got rid of Checketts and JVG got disgusted and left. It all goes back to Dolan.

But, yes, if I could give any person in the world full autonomy of the Knicks, JVG would be high on that list.

Yeah well... I think we're just fine with the direction we've got. Also i'm really getting tired of people pissin on Phil as if he's some scrub. He's actually trying to set this franchise up for success. The lack of patience from some fans and the media is maddening. Since when is it easy to build a winning team in the NBA? He hasn't even been at it very long and already some want to change leadership again.

What's Walsh and grunwald setting the franchise up for...FAILURE? Phil isn't doing anything those guys had not done and they had less to work with,so let's stop acting like phil discovered slice bread..

Walsh to 2 yes to cleara mountain of bad contracts, hired a decent respectable coach and the team made the playoffs yr 3. When phil stepped in, we won 6 games out of 42 with a roster that won 54...

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Yeah well... I think we're just fine with the direction we've got. Also i'm really getting tired of people pissin on Phil as if he's some scrub. He's actually trying to set this franchise up for success. The lack of patience from some fans and the media is maddening. Since when is it easy to build a winning team in the NBA? He hasn't even been at it very long and already some want to change leadership again.

What's Walsh and grunwald setting the franchise up for...FAILURE? Phil isn't doing anything those guys had not done and they had less to work with,so let's stop acting like phil discovered slice bread..

Walsh to 2 yes to cleara mountain of bad contracts, hired a decent respectable coach and the team made the playoffs yr 3. When phil stepped in, we won 6 games out of 42 with a roster that won 54...

Phil for the most part only has to improve the backcourt and things will look a lot better. No point in bringing up the unsustainable 54 win team. At least now we're building with more youth at the core of the roster. I honestly don't understand the negative view of where this franchise is headed.

There's some nice young talent, cap space and we have our picks starting next year. It's not a dark and bleak situation. We'll see if the team can take a step forward next season.

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Yeah well... I think we're just fine with the direction we've got. Also i'm really getting tired of people pissin on Phil as if he's some scrub. He's actually trying to set this franchise up for success. The lack of patience from some fans and the media is maddening. Since when is it easy to build a winning team in the NBA? He hasn't even been at it very long and already some want to change leadership again.

What's Walsh and grunwald setting the franchise up for...FAILURE? Phil isn't doing anything those guys had not done and they had less to work with,so let's stop acting like phil discovered slice bread..

Walsh to 2 yes to cleara mountain of bad contracts, hired a decent respectable coach and the team made the playoffs yr 3. When phil stepped in, we won 6 games out of 42 with a roster that won 54...

This is very similar only there is a singular vision now. Phil is in much more control of what the team is doing. It doesn't look like we're gonna get interference from Dolan like Grunwald and Walsh had to deal with. That's a major distinction.

Phil for the most part only has to improve the backcourt and things will look a lot better. No point in bringing up the unsustainable 54 win team. At least now we're building with more youth at the core of the roster. I honestly don't understand the negative view of where this franchise is headed.

There's some nice young talent, cap space and we have our picks starting next year. It's not a dark and bleak situation. We'll see if the team can take a step forward next season.

If he didn't have intereference from Dolan, Rambis would be the coach already.

That's only an assumption. No one knows what Dolan thinks but I do believe he trusts Phil after drafting KP. I think that bought Phil a lot of clout with Dolan.

IMO it's likely Phil is doing what he tends to do, which is take his time with major decisions. Sometimes you have to act more quickly but in this case Phil is in no rush. I think Phil could have just named Rambis the coach if he was that high on him. In any event this will be resolved at some point. I believe after the finals.

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Yeah well... I think we're just fine with the direction we've got. Also i'm really getting tired of people pissin on Phil as if he's some scrub. He's actually trying to set this franchise up for success. The lack of patience from some fans and the media is maddening. Since when is it easy to build a winning team in the NBA? He hasn't even been at it very long and already some want to change leadership again.

What's Walsh and grunwald setting the franchise up for...FAILURE? Phil isn't doing anything those guys had not done and they had less to work with,so let's stop acting like phil discovered slice bread..

Walsh to 2 yes to cleara mountain of bad contracts, hired a decent respectable coach and the team made the playoffs yr 3. When phil stepped in, we won 6 games out of 42 with a roster that won 54...

This is very similar only there is a singular vision now. Phil is in much more control of what the team is doing. It doesn't look like we're gonna get interference from Dolan like Grunwald and Walsh had to deal with. That's a major distinction.

Phil for the most part only has to improve the backcourt and things will look a lot better. No point in bringing up the unsustainable 54 win team. At least now we're building with more youth at the core of the roster. I honestly don't understand the negative view of where this franchise is headed.

There's some nice young talent, cap space and we have our picks starting next year. It's not a dark and bleak situation. We'll see if the team can take a step forward next season.

If he didn't have intereference from Dolan, Rambis would be the coach already.

That's only an assumption. No one knows what Dolan thinks but I do believe he trusts Phil after drafting KP. I think that bought Phil a lot of clout with Dolan.

IMO it's likely Phil is doing what he tends to do, which is take his time with major decisions. Sometimes you have to act more quickly but in this case Phil is in no rush. I think Phil could have just named Rambis the coach if he was that high on him. In any event this will be resolved at some point. I believe after the finals.

phil would have drafted oakfer, over KP if he was available and that has been well documented.

Your right, he is hesitant on rambis, but the fact the any of you would vouch for a coach like rambis is pure BS. it's like you ok with phil settling..

EVERY TIME I SEE THAT DIRECT TV COMMERCIAL, I THINK OF PHIL "HE'S A SETTLER" stuck in the past

What is the point of bringing up Okafor? We actually don't really know for sure that Phil would've drafted Okafor over KP. That is also just a rumor and IMO it's designed to try and diminish Phil. Gaines who Phil trusts most said KP was the player to take and I believe Phil may have listened. But that is an irrelevant discussion.

No one is saying Rambis is great. The point is that this team will improve with better on court performance due to better talent and continued development of our young talent! That's THE most important thing for this summer.

To explain my point there are a lot of playoff teams and they don't all have good to great coaches. Some of them are pretty average IMO. REGARDLESS, they still made the playoffs.

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:Posted this in the other thread:

Fish was let go 2/9. Lance Thomas first was injured 2/5 (concussion) and then the knee 3/8 and missed the rest of season (I have a feeling the play of Lance actually correlates to the losing of the Knicks very tightly). KP hit the rookie wall in early Feb and that lasted into March. Jose didn't play for the last 7 games of season, same with KP (that's 2 of 5 starting lineup).

I thought that the play of Rolo and DWill finished the year strong. Jerian was nice at the end but that felt like it was forced. Melo had a very nice March finally getting his legs back after the Boston tripping thing.

All fair. Lance is insanely important to team play and defense.

But I think the numbers make a case that Rambis getting the job without seriously considering another candidate is extremely reckless

If you numbers are effected by missing players, how can you judge Rambis on those numbers?

I really do feel that continuity is THE most important ingredient for next year and maybe the year after. Switching up the offense and defense year after year is awful. KP's growth, Jerian's growth, Rolo's growth, LT growth and even Melo's growth are THE most important things for this year and next year; second to the would be Gallo, Wroten, DWill, WillyG if they are on the team.

I think Phil seriously considered what type of coach he wanted to work with, what type of coach would implement his system, what coach is best for continuity. Why would he bother with Thibs, JVG in those instances? Blatt for sure. Walton for sure.

Given the current circumstances Blatt would be my pick, but that's a compromise pick.

I just want sanity. I want lack of ego. Isn't zen supposed to be about giving up your ego? I don't know if Phil is there yet.

If I had my druthers, I'd install JVG as Coach and President of the Knicks. I have said this for the past ten years at least. Dolan will never do it, so we're cursed by a parade of blowhards who talk a good game. Walsh was a nice reprieve, but Dolan took care of that quickly.

Continuity would be nice, but I just take serious issue with the basic premise that the Triangle is the right way to go here. I think it will not work. I would love to be wrong. If I am wrong, I promise you I will admit it.

Phil seems to be doing the job just fine.

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Yeah well... I think we're just fine with the direction we've got. Also i'm really getting tired of people pissin on Phil as if he's some scrub. He's actually trying to set this franchise up for success. The lack of patience from some fans and the media is maddening. Since when is it easy to build a winning team in the NBA? He hasn't even been at it very long and already some want to change leadership again.

What's Walsh and grunwald setting the franchise up for...FAILURE? Phil isn't doing anything those guys had not done and they had less to work with,so let's stop acting like phil discovered slice bread..

Walsh to 2 yes to cleara mountain of bad contracts, hired a decent respectable coach and the team made the playoffs yr 3. When phil stepped in, we won 6 games out of 42 with a roster that won 54...

This is very similar only there is a singular vision now. Phil is in much more control of what the team is doing. It doesn't look like we're gonna get interference from Dolan like Grunwald and Walsh had to deal with. That's a major distinction.

Phil for the most part only has to improve the backcourt and things will look a lot better. No point in bringing up the unsustainable 54 win team. At least now we're building with more youth at the core of the roster. I honestly don't understand the negative view of where this franchise is headed.

There's some nice young talent, cap space and we have our picks starting next year. It's not a dark and bleak situation. We'll see if the team can take a step forward next season.

If he didn't have intereference from Dolan, Rambis would be the coach already.

That's only an assumption. No one knows what Dolan thinks but I do believe he trusts Phil after drafting KP. I think that bought Phil a lot of clout with Dolan.

IMO it's likely Phil is doing what he tends to do, which is take his time with major decisions. Sometimes you have to act more quickly but in this case Phil is in no rush. I think Phil could have just named Rambis the coach if he was that high on him. In any event this will be resolved at some point. I believe after the finals.

phil would have drafted oakfer, over KP if he was available and that has been well documented.

Your right, he is hesitant on rambis, but the fact the any of you would vouch for a coach like rambis is pure BS. it's like you ok with phil settling..

EVERY TIME I SEE THAT DIRECT TV COMMERCIAL, I THINK OF PHIL "HE'S A SETTLER" stuck in the past

What is the point of bringing up Okafor? We actually don't really know for sure that Phil would've drafted Okafor over KP. That is also just a rumor and IMO it's designed to try and diminish Phil. Gaines who Phil trusts most said KP was the player to take and I believe Phil may have listened. But that is an irrelevant discussion.

No one is saying Rambis is great. The point is that this team will improve with better on court performance due to better talent and continued development of our young talent! That's THE most important thing for this summer.

To explain my point there are a lot of playoff teams and they don't all have good to great coaches. Some of them are pretty average IMO. REGARDLESS, they still made the playoffs.

he brings up ok4 because it is in response to you giving him big cred for drafting KP. Of course he takes ok4k if he was still there. And, who knows ... maybe ok4 would be better for the knicks with the way they are trying to park kp in the post.

taking kp was an easy call after ok4k was gone. KP was 4th in almost every mock so I'm glad that phil "trusted" gaines to not take Stein or Lyles who were guarantees to be picked by the knicks as we were told by our resident UK scout guru.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Yeah well... I think we're just fine with the direction we've got. Also i'm really getting tired of people pissin on Phil as if he's some scrub. He's actually trying to set this franchise up for success. The lack of patience from some fans and the media is maddening. Since when is it easy to build a winning team in the NBA? He hasn't even been at it very long and already some want to change leadership again.

What's Walsh and grunwald setting the franchise up for...FAILURE? Phil isn't doing anything those guys had not done and they had less to work with,so let's stop acting like phil discovered slice bread..

Walsh to 2 yes to cleara mountain of bad contracts, hired a decent respectable coach and the team made the playoffs yr 3. When phil stepped in, we won 6 games out of 42 with a roster that won 54...

This is very similar only there is a singular vision now. Phil is in much more control of what the team is doing. It doesn't look like we're gonna get interference from Dolan like Grunwald and Walsh had to deal with. That's a major distinction.

Phil for the most part only has to improve the backcourt and things will look a lot better. No point in bringing up the unsustainable 54 win team. At least now we're building with more youth at the core of the roster. I honestly don't understand the negative view of where this franchise is headed.

There's some nice young talent, cap space and we have our picks starting next year. It's not a dark and bleak situation. We'll see if the team can take a step forward next season.

If he didn't have intereference from Dolan, Rambis would be the coach already.

That's only an assumption. No one knows what Dolan thinks but I do believe he trusts Phil after drafting KP. I think that bought Phil a lot of clout with Dolan.

IMO it's likely Phil is doing what he tends to do, which is take his time with major decisions. Sometimes you have to act more quickly but in this case Phil is in no rush. I think Phil could have just named Rambis the coach if he was that high on him. In any event this will be resolved at some point. I believe after the finals.

phil would have drafted oakfer, over KP if he was available and that has been well documented.

Your right, he is hesitant on rambis, but the fact the any of you would vouch for a coach like rambis is pure BS. it's like you ok with phil settling..

EVERY TIME I SEE THAT DIRECT TV COMMERCIAL, I THINK OF PHIL "HE'S A SETTLER" stuck in the past

What is the point of bringing up Okafor? We actually don't really know for sure that Phil would've drafted Okafor over KP. That is also just a rumor and IMO it's designed to try and diminish Phil. Gaines who Phil trusts most said KP was the player to take and I believe Phil may have listened. But that is an irrelevant discussion.

No one is saying Rambis is great. The point is that this team will improve with better on court performance due to better talent and continued development of our young talent! That's THE most important thing for this summer.

To explain my point there are a lot of playoff teams and they don't all have good to great coaches. Some of them are pretty average IMO. REGARDLESS, they still made the playoffs.

he brings up ok4 because it is in response to you giving him big cred for drafting KP. Of course he takes ok4k if he was still there. And, who knows ... maybe ok4 would be better for the knicks with the way they are trying to park kp in the post.

taking kp was an easy call after ok4k was gone. KP was 4th in almost every mock so I'm glad that phil "trusted" gaines to not take Stein or Lyles who were guarantees to be picked by the knicks as we were told by our resident UK scout guru.

The big name was Winslow! Just ask SAS. In any event it doesn't matter since Phil did draft KP. The mocks were about potential and not what the Knicks were expected to do. If it was expected and such a no brainer then why so much consternation over picking KP? Why so many articles suggesting Phil did the brave thing rather than what would've been safer and more popular going for a guy like Winslow or Stein?

Winslow went 11 cause he could not and can't shoot for squat and stein had nowhere near the upside.

KP went where we all thought he'd go. Many here were smart enough to make the same no brainer call.

Now if phil had ok4 on the board and he picked kp then boy would he get huge credit. unfortunately for the credit seekers that did not happen and almost certainly would not have happened.