EnySpree wrote:We could also possibly trade for Collison and simply obsorb his contact. We're going to be under the cap. Allay for a second rounder or something

They're gonna want more than a 2nd round pick for one of the top backup PG's in the league and also is good enough to start. I don't think we have anything they want besides our 2018 1st round pick and we're not giving that up for Collison.

http://dailyknicks.com/2016/04/23/should-the-knicks-trade-for-darren-collison/

According to Ian Begley of ESPN, the New York Knicks are interested in trading for Sacramento Kings back-up point guard Darren Collison.

The trade route is an option that had been discussed among members of the front office late in the season, per sources with knowledge of the talks; one player some in the organization are fond of is Darren Collison, who backed up Rondo in Sacramento this year, sources say.

Do the Knicks have the pieces to deal for Collison, scheduled to make $5.2 million next season? That’s unclear. But if they can, such a transaction would probably leave the club with enough money to spend on another starting-caliber free agent.

Should the Knicks Trade for Darren Collison?

Last season, Collison averaged 14 points and 4.3 assists per game in a sixth man role with the Kings. Ending the season on a high note with a season-high 27 points, starting in place of the resting Rajon Rondo. Collison also added eight assists, five reboards, one steal and four three-pointers.

Collison has always thrived as a starter, averaging 14 points, 3 rebounds, and 5.8 assists per game in 314 regular season starts. Probably the most memorable starts, were when Collison stepped into the starting lineup as a rookie for the New Orleans Hornets, as point GOD Chris Paul was sidelined with injury.

Particularly when Paul tore cartilage in his left knee and was sidelined for over a month by surgery in early February of 2010. Collison burst onto the scene with 17 points and a Hornets rookie-record of 18 assists!

A little over a month later, Collison would break his own Hornets rookie-record with 20 assists against the Golden State Warriors! Clearly Collison learned a thing or two about running the point under the tutelage of CP3!

Collison even notched his first and only career triple-double as a rookie against the Indiana Pacers. Scoring 18 points (7-13 FG, 1-2 3pt, 3-4 FT), grabbing 13 rebounds, and dishing out a dozen assists.

Collison was phenomenal as a starter in his rookie season, averaging 18.8 points, 3.5 rebounds, 9 assists, and 1.4 steals per game. Collison recorded 14 double-doubles, and one triple-double en route to being named on the 2010 NBA All-Rookie First Team.

But herein lies the problem, we have too many fond memories of Collison as a rookie full of potential. Ever since the Hornets traded Collison away to the Pacers (the team he dropped a triple-double on) after his rookie season, he has only recorded 18 double-doubles in six seasons… That is only four more than his whole rookie season combined! Clearly without Chris Paul‘s guidance, Collison is just not the same player.

Also despite Collison’s quickness, he doesn’t really take advantage of it by attacking the rim. According to NBA.com, Collison only averaged 4.4 drives per game this season. Yes… that is more drives per game than any active player on the Knicks roster (Jerian Grant topping out at 3.5 drives per game, as per NBA.com) BUT that doesn’t really say much… as New York was a league-worst 15.5 drives per game, as per NBA.com.

Too often Collison settles for pull-up jumpers, taking them 38.5% of the time this season, as per NBA.com. Which actually is a huge improvement, considering the fact that last season HALF his shot-selections were pull-up jumpers.

Another stat that shows Collison not putting his quickness to good use is NBA.com tracking of average speed, defined as the average speed in miles per hour of all movements (sprinting, jogging, standing, walking) by a player while on the court. Collison’s average speed is 4.19 mile per hour, which is slower than Knicks’ backcourt zombie of Jose Calderon (4.21) and Sasha Vujacic (4.41).

On defense, Collison’s average speed is even slower… at 3.95 mile per hour, as per NBA.com. So it isn’t a surprise that according to NBA.com, Collison allow opponents to shoot 2.9% better overall than their average field goal percentage. And that Collison is ranked 73rd in defensive real plus-minus for all point guards… with a -2.45 DRPM as per ESPN. So clearly Collison would not be much of an improvement on the defensive end, should he be a Knick.

As Collison is not much of an improvement in BOTH the crucial areas that New York is desperately lacking in, being drives to the rim or defensive presence at point guard, I would say that he is not a must have.

Finestrg wrote:I like Collison, he'd be an upgrade and stabilizer for sure but at what cost? They may ask for more but you figure the minimum cost would be Grant/Hernangomez/future 2/cash. I'm not sure I wanna give up any of that. Real small sample I understand but Grant finally started playing well the last handful of games when he got an extended look. I was begging Grant to finally show something and you know what--he did. A big part of me wants to build off that now..I'd like to keep Willy--think he'd be an upgrade over Seraphin/O'Quinn for decent money (could be something close to Luis Scola/Enes Kanter from what I've seen on video + he's KP's boy). Also done dealing away future picks, even 2nd rounders--we need to reverse that trend (unless we trade a future pick to bring back one now)--and I want the cash available for the draft.

Not much evidence to support this, more of a gut feeling and a hunch I have, but a big part of me would still like to sign Jerryd Bayless. I know he hasn't done much in the NBA so far but there's a lot to like -- he's got a real solid skill set, he's got some experience now, and I don't think he'd be too expensive. We might be able to get this guy for something like 4 yrs/$18mm ($4.5mm per). Only made $3mm/yr the last couple of seasons to basically be a backup. Over here, he'd get a modest raise and I'd let him drive the bus -- I'd guarantee this dude the starting PG spot along with 12-14 shots a game, up from only 8.4 attempts he took this season. We give this guy that, I think we're looking at Darren Collison/Jeff Teague/Jordan Clarkson/Avery Bradley-type production -- somewhere near 15 ppg/5 assts. Call me nuts but talent-wise I think Bayless is right there with Clarkson as a player only Clarkson will get about $10mm more a season. I just think Bayless needs to be pushed harder/leaned on more. This guy could still come into his own with more responsibility/usage and I think he'd prefer coming to NY and starting at lead guard over staying in Milwaukee. Like him or not, his skills/age alone make him a clear cut upgrade over Calderon moving forward...We then use our cash allotment/future 2 for a good young PG in the 2nd round of this upcoming draft -- someone like Yogi Ferrell/Marcus Paige/Kay Felder. We continue developing Grant who finally showed something and maybe think about adding DL PG Corey Walden who I think would be an upgrade over Langston Galloway. Then at least 1, possibly even 2 of these choices, say Ferrell and Walden, would be developed full-time in Westchester. That would be my plan. Again, I like Collison but I think I prefer a mix of all these choices as we continue evaluating the PG situation moving forward:

Bayless 4 yrs/$18mm
Acquire Ferrell, Paige or Felder in this upcoming draft's 2nd round (doable)
Keep Grant
Sign Corey Walden

Agree fine while collision would be a nice addition cost vs production it would only make sense if it were for oquinn and a future 2.

Fine I think the bottom line is whether you like a guy like Felder or Ferrel Phil likes big players. Felder will be awesome off someone's bench but it won't be ours.

My list in the draft for this team stays with bigger players

I'm still in the same camp

Valentine( who I would put in as our starting pg) the two bigs I like Bentil and Ochefu --guards Patrick McCaw Bryn Forbes. Then secondary list with Miles Gbinje Mclellan and Derrick Jones

A lot of people really like the 2 nc round of the draft this year. When you see some sites with guys listed in the lottery who are listed in the 30 -40s on others shows the potential of the 2 nd rd