yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:MELO wants Phil to bring in FA's who can make the Knicks a contender. It's doubtful Phil will be able to achieve that this summer. It's not the Triangle or anything trivial that will cause MELO to ask for a trade. It's going to be REALITY hitting him in the face. Knicks will most likely have to take a slower and more long term approach to contending.

If MELO doesn't already understand this it's his fault. Phil has been signaling this for a while. Phil's been adding more youth than older vets who can help MELO win right away. How can Phil convince the elite FA's to ditch better situations to come to a rebuilding team? The odds of it happening are slim. Phil will try but he has to be prepared for it not to happen. So MELO will have a choice to make. Stick with the team and a slower rebuild or ask for a trade.

That's not exactly true. Phil has added older vets left and right. He even adds older rookies. Now will he change his win now aproach to lure free agents in or will he go for a top draft pick, only time will tell.

First off it's silly to quibble over young vets under 30 and rookies when talking about the youth on this team. I wasn't only talking about the players actually on the roster this year either. Some of the old guys won't be back and we'll be adding younger players most likely.

NO.	NAME	                POS	AGE	HT	WT	
6	Kristaps Porzingis	PF	20	7-3	240
0       Willy Hernangomez       C       21      6-10    250	
43	Thanasis Antetokounmpo	SF	23	6-7	205	
13	Jerian Grant	        PG	23	6-4	195	
5	Tony Wroten	        SG	23	6-6	205	
2	Langston Galloway	SG	24	6-2	200	
23	Derrick Williams	PF	24	6-8	240	
11	Cleanthony Early	SF	25	6-8	210	
9	Kyle O'Quinn	        PF	26	6-10	250	
1	Kevin Seraphin	        C	26	6-10	278	
42	Lance Thomas	        SF	27	6-8	235	
8	Robin Lopez	        C	28	7-0	255	
4	Arron Afflalo	        SG	30	6-5	210	
7	Carmelo Anthony	        SF	31	6-8	240	
18	Sasha Vujacic	        SG	32	6-7	195	
17	Lou Amundson	        PF	33	6-9	220	
3	Jose Calderon	        PG	34	6-3	200	

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:MELO wants Phil to bring in FA's who can make the Knicks a contender. It's doubtful Phil will be able to achieve that this summer. It's not the Triangle or anything trivial that will cause MELO to ask for a trade. It's going to be REALITY hitting him in the face. Knicks will most likely have to take a slower and more long term approach to contending.

If MELO doesn't already understand this it's his fault. Phil has been signaling this for a while. Phil's been adding more youth than older vets who can help MELO win right away. How can Phil convince the elite FA's to ditch better situations to come to a rebuilding team? The odds of it happening are slim. Phil will try but he has to be prepared for it not to happen. So MELO will have a choice to make. Stick with the team and a slower rebuild or ask for a trade.

That's not exactly true. Phil has added older vets left and right. He even adds older rookies. Now will he change his win now aproach to lure free agents in or will he go for a top draft pick, only time will tell.

First off it's silly to quibble over young vets under 30 and rookies when talking about the youth on this team. I wasn't only talking about the players actually on the roster this year either. Some of the old guys won't be back and we'll be adding younger players most likely.

NO.	NAME	                POS	AGE	HT	WT	
6	Kristaps Porzingis	PF	20	7-3	240
0       Willy Hernangomez       C       21      6-10    250	
43	Thanasis Antetokounmpo	SF	23	6-7	205	
13	Jerian Grant	        PG	23	6-4	195	
5	Tony Wroten	        SG	23	6-6	205	
2	Langston Galloway	SG	24	6-2	200	
23	Derrick Williams	PF	24	6-8	240	
11	Cleanthony Early	SF	25	6-8	210	
9	Kyle O'Quinn	        PF	26	6-10	250	
1	Kevin Seraphin	        C	26	6-10	278	
42	Lance Thomas	        SF	27	6-8	235	
8	Robin Lopez	        C	28	7-0	255	
4	Arron Afflalo	        SG	30	6-5	210	
7	Carmelo Anthony	        SF	31	6-8	240	
18	Sasha Vujacic	        SG	32	6-7	195	
17	Lou Amundson	        PF	33	6-9	220	
3	Jose Calderon	        PG	34	6-3	200	

I don't really consider vets 26 and older that young but okay. It really doesn't matter. There will be roster turnover and some of those players may or may not be back. Hopefully, Seraphin is gone and Wroten might not even make the team but we'll see. There is also a chance that Early won't be back. Even before the gunshot he was in the dog house but maybe they give him another chance. Williams and Thomas are free gents and could get expensive to bring back. Thomas can stay off the cap up to 104% x the league's avg salary. If the knicks try to match a higher salary offer from another team they'd dip into the cap space.

There are so few young UFAs this year so unless they can get some RFAs the roster will be filled by veteran retreads.

Papabear wrote:

Vmart wrote:I said this before Melo will not be a Knicks come next year. It's absolutely stupid for him to hang around. He is talking about Windows closing at this moment the Knicks do not have a window. We have rebuilding going on here. If Melo wants a window to playoffs and championship it simply isn't here right now. We are talking about 3-5 years down the line for the Knicks. If Melo is smart he waives that NTC and gets himself to Cleveland, Miami, Clippers or any team that has a window to the playoffs and championship.

Papabear Says

Well hey Phil's contract will be up and he will be 76 years old.

A vmart, what exactly do any of those teams have that we want?

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Vmart wrote:I said this before Melo will not be a Knicks come next year. It's absolutely stupid for him to hang around. He is talking about Windows closing at this moment the Knicks do not have a window. We have rebuilding going on here. If Melo wants a window to playoffs and championship it simply isn't here right now. We are talking about 3-5 years down the line for the Knicks. If Melo is smart he waives that NTC and gets himself to Cleveland, Miami, Clippers or any team that has a window to the playoffs and championship.

Papabear Says

Well hey Phil's contract will be up and he will be 76 years old.

A vmart, what exactly do any of those teams have that we want?

They have what we want or if they don't a three way deal is always possible. Got to keep options open. I know Miami has players that the Knicks could use for example Winslow and Dragic would be a start. Cleveland may not have a player we would like but they have players that other teams do and a three way deal that give players and picks is always possible. Same with Clippers maybe a straight deal with the Clippers for Griffin or again a trade with other teams involved giving back picks and players.

They are so many options that open up for the Knicks. I hate to see Melo go but this is about the future path of the Knicks going forward. Getting younger possibly a lottery pick or picks. By no means would I go Philly route that some here think. I would still target Veteran players in FA like Gasol, Turner to go with a youth movement. Trading Melo gives the best route for the Knicks to get better for a longer period that extends possibly for a decade or so.

It's just too many hurdles to jump, most of those teams are veteran teams that aren't going to mortgage their future and depth for melo. Not to mention bringing on a 25 million dollar salary.

The best course of action (with melo)is to build a winning foundation for the next 3 yrs, let melo help develop KP and grant, be creative and add pieces. melo has a player option in his last yr.

Trading melo at this juncture, you will lose all the way around because he has the upper hand. I always said, Melo won't win a ring until he's a role player like KG became when he won 1 with boston.

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Vmart wrote:I said this before Melo will not be a Knicks come next year. It's absolutely stupid for him to hang around. He is talking about Windows closing at this moment the Knicks do not have a window. We have rebuilding going on here. If Melo wants a window to playoffs and championship it simply isn't here right now. We are talking about 3-5 years down the line for the Knicks. If Melo is smart he waives that NTC and gets himself to Cleveland, Miami, Clippers or any team that has a window to the playoffs and championship.

Papabear Says

Well hey Phil's contract will be up and he will be 76 years old.

A vmart, what exactly do any of those teams have that we want?

They have what we want or if they don't a three way deal is always possible. Got to keep options open. I know Miami has players that the Knicks could use for example Winslow and Dragic would be a start. Cleveland may not have a player we would like but they have players that other teams do and a three way deal that give players and picks is always possible. Same with Clippers maybe a straight deal with the Clippers for Griffin or again a trade with other teams involved giving back picks and players.

They are so many options that open up for the Knicks. I hate to see Melo go but this is about the future path of the Knicks going forward. Getting younger possibly a lottery pick or picks. By no means would I go Philly route that some here think. I would still target Veteran players in FA like Gasol, Turner to go with a youth movement. Trading Melo gives the best route for the Knicks to get better for a longer period that extends possibly for a decade or so.

It's just too many hurdles to jump, most of those teams are veteran teams that aren't going to mortgage their future and depth for melo. Not to mention bringing on a 25 million dollar salary.

The best course of action (with melo)is to build a winning foundation for the next 3 yrs, let melo help develop KP and grant, be creative and add pieces. melo has a player option in his last yr.

Trading melo at this juncture, you will lose all the way around because he has the upper hand. I always said, Melo won't win a ring until he's a role player like KG became when he won 1 with boston.

We won't lose all the way around trading Melo cause of the young pieces we'd get in the draft or young players we'd get for him but it would definitely set us back on winning or making a playoff run for another at least 2/3 years. I'm a Syracuse and Knicks fan so i'm as big a Melo fan as there is and even though i'd be just fine with him staying i also realize that what we could get for him in a trade would help our future so for the right return package i'd be fine with trading him but it would have to be a good return or i'd just keep him. All those people that don't think we could get much for him are crazy cause there will be teams willing to give up a nice package for him with some combo or draft picks and young players.

Vmart wrote:

reub wrote:How do we know anyone actually wants Melo?

Only way to find out is for him to remove the NTC. There were already reports that Ainge inquired about Melo. That LeBron is interested in adding Melo. Melo is going to a team that his friend s have control of decision making. Pat Riley rarely passes on top talent. Once again Melo is a damn good player why wouldn't team inquire and be interested especially teams trying to get over the top.

Plenty of teams would be interested.

I continue to think LA Clippers is the number 1 spot.

I do sort of think Melo will let the summer play out and if a trade happens it'll be at next year's deadline - Feb 2017. I think that is when the Phil/Melo strain will come to a head if it does. Phil has an option in March 2017, or right after the season. Melo may try to either force a trade for himself or force Phil out if things aren't going well next season.

I think for this summer Melo will try to be patient and give Phil a chance. Though I sort of have a feeling he will be disappointed by the Free Agency haul. We're gonna get some pieces, but I don't think they'll be the pieces Melo wants.

reub wrote:How do we know anyone actually wants Melo?

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

reub wrote:How do we know anyone actually wants Melo?

Report was 5 teams at the deadline contacted Phil about trading for Melo.

im sure teams are interested but the question is how much are they willing to give. Obviously we wont get the return we gave up in 2011