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what do you think about maxing Whiteside and trading Lopez for a guard?
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BRIGGS
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4/22/2016  11:33 AM
Lopez is fine We need guards who can space drive and pass
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smackeddog
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4/22/2016  11:44 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Lopez is fine We need guards who can space drive and pass

The problem is there aren't really any top tear ones available if free agency- there are some good solid options (bazemore, Turner) but no one that will lift us far enough if we are keeping Melo.

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4/22/2016  11:46 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/22/2016  11:47 AM
Unless somebody offers a lottery pick as part of the package it would be better keeping lopez. Lopez KP and hopefully willy give us a good front court.
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4/22/2016  11:50 AM
Why not keep Lopez and Max out a guard.
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4/22/2016  11:53 AM
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Bonn1997 wrote:Whiteside has been incredible. He's averaging 18 points, 15 rbs, 5 blocks per 36 with excellent advanced stats. I know there are big concerns about his character. I'd be hesitant but I think this is a gamble you'd have to take.

I'm surprised- I thought he'd be the kind of player you didn't like. I too was against signing him earlier due to his character issues. I still have those, but realistically, the quickest way to upgrade our team would be to land him and move Rolo, simply because it allows you to upgrade 2 spots (PG/SG and C) in one swoop. The FA options at SG and Pg are at best mediocre.

I think smackeddog nailed it. The reason why you consider trading Lopez is because the likely good of you getting a free agent guard is low and even if you get one you still need another one too. Also, there is a high change that the player/a traded for Lopez will e at a cheaper price which would create even more cap room.

There are so many UFA centers that it would be tempting but you'd have to have all you're sucks in a row. There would have to be a deal in place at the time of the trade for a center. Whiteside would be a gamble because he has defensive shortcummings, ala Marcus Canby but he is like a super productive version. Horford is old but he probably has a good 4 yrs left but he does have injury issues. One fail safe would be Mozgov. Given the way he is being used his market value maybe low. If they could get him on at a lower price while trading Lopez for guard help they could still have a max salary slot open.

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4/22/2016  11:53 AM
Vmart wrote:Why not keep Lopez and Max out a guard.

That's the problem though, there aren't any guards worth maxing out (and best will be staying aren't coming here)

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4/22/2016  11:57 AM
smackeddog wrote:
Vmart wrote:Why not keep Lopez and Max out a guard.

That's the problem though, there aren't any guards worth maxing out (and best will be staying aren't coming here)

Team should wait a year and then Super Max a guard

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4/22/2016  12:06 PM
smackeddog wrote:
Vmart wrote:Why not keep Lopez and Max out a guard.

That's the problem though, there aren't any guards worth maxing out (and best will be staying aren't coming here)


+1 again.

Another option would be to see what Willy's market is and see if he could get you a player. I think Oladipo has potential to pop and become a quality guard. He has steadily improved but probably not at the rate you'd want the #2 pick to improve at.

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4/22/2016  12:15 PM
martin wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Vmart wrote:Why not keep Lopez and Max out a guard.

That's the problem though, there aren't any guards worth maxing out (and best will be staying aren't coming here)

Team should wait a year and then Super Max a guard


The Knicks would have to make a serious jump in the standings in order to land a guard and that would mean landing the perfect blend of players this summer. Lopez is probably worth a lottery pick in this years draft plus a player. I could see him going for something similar to Batun last year and maybe more because he is locked into a good deal.

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4/22/2016  12:35 PM
not interested in trading Lopez... short term he is critical, long term he's a luxury. The only reason I would trade him is because we cant sign a guard in FA. Its just such slim pickings. Eventually we figure KP will play center as he and KAT redefine that position. Also we have Willy coming over and we are so abysmal at guard its a bigger need. Tons of bigs on the FA market as well.

I am ok with doing nothing if the only opportunities are to overpay. However singing a big like Gasol seems more feasible than maxing out one of the 2-3 guards on the FA market

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4/22/2016  1:15 PM
Whiteside's head would explode in the triangle.
Miami can't win with what they got.
Parlay Winslow and Dragic into Melo and Jose. Jose is a good fit next to Wade. Bosh will never domninate again as he did.
either Miami blows it up by letting wade walk, or doubles down with win now.
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4/22/2016  1:26 PM
Not sure if Whiteside is a 5 year or 7 year player. But a Max contract for him would be over $21 Mil and potentially up to $25 Mil. No thanks.
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4/22/2016  1:28 PM
Nalod wrote:Whiteside's head would explode in the triangle.
Miami can't win with what they got.
Parlay Winslow and Dragic into Melo and Jose. Jose is a good fit next to Wade. Bosh will never domninate again as he did.
either Miami blows it up by letting wade walk, or doubles down with win now.

This is also a guy who had his "breakout" assist total this year... at .4 APG. He makes Lopez look like Sabonis as a passing big man.

His midrange shooting has improved...which would be a big plus for him in the triangle, but I can't see Phil wanting him because he is a ball stopper. I think one of the big reasons Jackson had some interest in Monroe was his passing ability...I just can't see him putting up with Whiteside.

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4/22/2016  1:38 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:I'd rather have R.Lopez as our center and spend our money on our back court where our real need is.

OP is an intriguing idea but I agree with this ^ I don't see Phil maxing on a center unless it's Shaq-esque. He would rather spend the money on 2s and 3s

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4/22/2016  1:39 PM
EnySpree wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:I'd rather have R.Lopez as our center and spend our money on our back court where our real need is.

I agree. I think we really have a good thing going with our starting frontcourt and need to build some continuity.

That's how I feel as well. Rolo matches up well with other big centers. He's now a bargin especially with the emergence of his offensive game.

All good points. And he has tons of intangibles including bringing fire to the team on the court, and cohesion off the court.

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4/22/2016  1:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/22/2016  1:51 PM
martin wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Vmart wrote:Why not keep Lopez and Max out a guard.

That's the problem though, there aren't any guards worth maxing out (and best will be staying aren't coming here)

Team should wait a year and then Super Max a guard

It's simple. This is the year of the 2-guard. DeRozan, Batum, Fournier, Beal, Bazemore, the list goes on. You must get one of these guys. Use additional cap space on a stopgap PG. Jennings for a 1-year overpay (i.e. Rondo last year), to rebuild his value, or Chalmers, Lin, etc. Just someone to make the position manageable. Then 2017 is the year of the PG. Westbrook, Paul, or Teague.

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4/22/2016  2:29 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:Hortford would be perfect In the Triangle. So if that was done then I could see the vision.

The issue is though that there are a lot of big men available this yr. I think Rolo would be hard to sell with how many options that are available this summer.

he would be

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/23/2016  5:16 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/23/2016  5:17 AM
Nalod wrote:Whiteside's head would explode in the triangle.
Miami can't win with what they got.
Parlay Winslow and Dragic into Melo and Jose. Jose is a good fit next to Wade. Bosh will never domninate again as he did.
either Miami blows it up by letting wade walk, or doubles down with win now.

I think they would choose continuity and competitiveness over mortgaging their future for a desperation shot at a ring with Wade next year.

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4/23/2016  10:30 AM
Whiteside is one of the few qualify two way players in the league. So it's definitely a plus if we can get him. But I am loyal to Rolo and he has shown that he can be part of a versatile frontcourt.If we could flip Melo for Winslow and someone else that would be the trade I make.Melo can at least reasonably chase s ring with that core.
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4/23/2016  12:21 PM
As much as I love Lopez, this idea is very good.(For Al Horford)

We get an all star center on big money and have the ability to get a quality guard.

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what do you think about maxing Whiteside and trading Lopez for a guard?

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