fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:he was really good his first time here, and really bad his second.

Don't forget. He was really good the first time because he had the skill sets to flourish in SSOL with Amare. Push the ball down the floor and pick n roll teams to death with Amare.

Even then he was gassed after the first 2 1/2 months

All that said he's still better than Calderon. Felton was slightly less of a turnstile defensively. At least with guys his size. He really struggled against the speedier PGs though.

Calderon is just horrible. He would look slightly less horrible if Fisher stayed and they continued to run some pick n roll.

So it remains to be seen if Phil will come to the realization that we need a Jordan/Kobe type guard to win with the triangle or he hires a a coach that is more flexible and coaches to his personnel. Of course we don't have a lottery pick So Phil will be going into year 3 of 5 and still experimenting with a ****ty roster.

Wake me up when the Knicks sort things out

enjoy your nap. Ill wake you watch Melo play in the all star game next year

Hopefully, the NTC might still be there too...

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:he was really good his first time here, and really bad his second.

Don't forget. He was really good the first time because he had the skill sets to flourish in SSOL with Amare. Push the ball down the floor and pick n roll teams to death with Amare.

Even then he was gassed after the first 2 1/2 months

All that said he's still better than Calderon. Felton was slightly less of a turnstile defensively. At least with guys his size. He really struggled against the speedier PGs though.

Calderon is just horrible. He would look slightly less horrible if Fisher stayed and they continued to run some pick n roll.

So it remains to be seen if Phil will come to the realization that we need a Jordan/Kobe type guard to win with the triangle or he hires a a coach that is more flexible and coaches to his personnel. Of course we don't have a lottery pick So Phil will be going into year 3 of 5 and still experimenting with a ****ty roster.

Wake me up when the Knicks sort things out

enjoy your nap. Ill wake you watch Melo play in the all star game next year

Hopefully, the NTC might still be there too...

Stop already with the Melo madness! He's a failure as a Knick, stop mentioning the NTC, we all know Phil/Dolan phucked up in giving it to him.

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:he was really good his first time here, and really bad his second.

Don't forget. He was really good the first time because he had the skill sets to flourish in SSOL with Amare. Push the ball down the floor and pick n roll teams to death with Amare.

Even then he was gassed after the first 2 1/2 months

All that said he's still better than Calderon. Felton was slightly less of a turnstile defensively. At least with guys his size. He really struggled against the speedier PGs though.

Calderon is just horrible. He would look slightly less horrible if Fisher stayed and they continued to run some pick n roll.

So it remains to be seen if Phil will come to the realization that we need a Jordan/Kobe type guard to win with the triangle or he hires a a coach that is more flexible and coaches to his personnel. Of course we don't have a lottery pick So Phil will be going into year 3 of 5 and still experimenting with a ****ty roster.

Wake me up when the Knicks sort things out

enjoy your nap. Ill wake you watch Melo play in the all star game next year

Hopefully, the NTC might still be there too...

Stop already with the Melo madness! He's a failure as a Knick, stop mentioning the NTC, we all know Phil/Dolan phucked up in giving it to him.

everybody we sign to a max contract has been a disappointment all the way back to EWING, then Houston, the Dice, then Steph, then Amare, now Melo.

It's going to be like that forever chuck, they will always be a overpaid player (in some ppls opinion) no matter the case, and the pill becomes even harder to swallow when you have that type of player, and he doesn't have the roster around him to make the team successful.

If okc doesn't make it to the finals (which the probably won't) does that make WB and KD, over paid?

Conversely every team and coach certain players have is never good enough for them to win anything.
Anyway, Felton's play that day has shades of the old Felton. If only the brotha could lay off the chicken biscuits

jrodmc wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:he was really good his first time here, and really bad his second.

Don't forget. He was really good the first time because he had the skill sets to flourish in SSOL with Amare. Push the ball down the floor and pick n roll teams to death with Amare.

Even then he was gassed after the first 2 1/2 months

All that said he's still better than Calderon. Felton was slightly less of a turnstile defensively. At least with guys his size. He really struggled against the speedier PGs though.

Calderon is just horrible. He would look slightly less horrible if Fisher stayed and they continued to run some pick n roll.

So it remains to be seen if Phil will come to the realization that we need a Jordan/Kobe type guard to win with the triangle or he hires a a coach that is more flexible and coaches to his personnel. Of course we don't have a lottery pick So Phil will be going into year 3 of 5 and still experimenting with a ****ty roster.

Wake me up when the Knicks sort things out

enjoy your nap. Ill wake you watch Melo play in the all star game next year

Hopefully, the NTC might still be there too...

Stop already with the Melo madness! He's a failure as a Knick, stop mentioning the NTC, we all know Phil/Dolan phucked up in giving it to him.

everybody we sign to a max contract has been a disappointment all the way back to EWING, then Houston, the Dice, then Steph, then Amare, now Melo.

It's going to be like that forever chuck, they will always be a overpaid player (in some ppls opinion) no matter the case, and the pill becomes even harder to swallow when you have that type of player, and he doesn't have the roster around him to make the team successful.

If okc doesn't make it to the finals (which the probably won't) does that make WB and KD, over paid?

Of course not, because they have chips, they make people better they play great defense all the time they never get hurt they...they're not Melo!

LOL how many triple doubles does Melo have this season? 30 out of 30 teams would love to have a Russell Westbrook on their team.

foosballnick wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:he was really good his first time here, and really bad his second.

Don't forget. He was really good the first time because he had the skill sets to flourish in SSOL with Amare. Push the ball down the floor and pick n roll teams to death with Amare.

Even then he was gassed after the first 2 1/2 months

All that said he's still better than Calderon. Felton was slightly less of a turnstile defensively. At least with guys his size. He really struggled against the speedier PGs though.

Calderon is just horrible. He would look slightly less horrible if Fisher stayed and they continued to run some pick n roll.

So it remains to be seen if Phil will come to the realization that we need a Jordan/Kobe type guard to win with the triangle or he hires a a coach that is more flexible and coaches to his personnel. Of course we don't have a lottery pick So Phil will be going into year 3 of 5 and still experimenting with a ****ty roster.

Wake me up when the Knicks sort things out

enjoy your nap. Ill wake you watch Melo play in the all star game next year

Hopefully, the NTC might still be there too...

Stop already with the Melo madness! He's a failure as a Knick, stop mentioning the NTC, we all know Phil/Dolan phucked up in giving it to him.

everybody we sign to a max contract has been a disappointment all the way back to EWING, then Houston, the Dice, then Steph, then Amare, now Melo.

It's going to be like that forever chuck, they will always be a overpaid player (in some ppls opinion) no matter the case, and the pill becomes even harder to swallow when you have that type of player, and he doesn't have the roster around him to make the team successful.

If okc doesn't make it to the finals (which the probably won't) does that make WB and KD, over paid?

Of course not, because they have chips, they make people better they play great defense all the time they never get hurt they...they're not Melo!

LOL how many triple doubles does Melo have this season? 30 out of 30 teams would love to have a Russell Westbrook on their team.

Westbrook is a great player no doubt. He also leads the league in Usage Rate (Melo is tied for 16th). Note that Melo came close to triple doubles 3 or 4 times this year in games that I watched. In those games he was pulled in the 4th Quarter as the Knicks had a large lead and he fell either 1-2 Assists or Rebounds short. Most here would certainly prefer Westbrook over Melo but that is not the point. You have such blind vitriol towards Melo that you leave yourself open to questioning. You can call Melo a failure all you want, but without serviceable players a the 1 & 2, the team is doomed to mediocrity at best. It's a team sport where multiple top players on the same roster are necessary to compete at a high level - some just keep forgetting that.

Buck would be calling for a Westbrook trade if he was a OKC fan. Think he forgets Westbrook has yet to win a chip and has had guys he probably has not heard off around him.. Kevin Durant and James Harden. Yet he expexts Melo to win with vets Min guys. Lmao

HofstraBBall wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:he was really good his first time here, and really bad his second.

Don't forget. He was really good the first time because he had the skill sets to flourish in SSOL with Amare. Push the ball down the floor and pick n roll teams to death with Amare.

Even then he was gassed after the first 2 1/2 months

All that said he's still better than Calderon. Felton was slightly less of a turnstile defensively. At least with guys his size. He really struggled against the speedier PGs though.

Calderon is just horrible. He would look slightly less horrible if Fisher stayed and they continued to run some pick n roll.

So it remains to be seen if Phil will come to the realization that we need a Jordan/Kobe type guard to win with the triangle or he hires a a coach that is more flexible and coaches to his personnel. Of course we don't have a lottery pick So Phil will be going into year 3 of 5 and still experimenting with a ****ty roster.

Wake me up when the Knicks sort things out

enjoy your nap. Ill wake you watch Melo play in the all star game next year

Hopefully, the NTC might still be there too...

Stop already with the Melo madness! He's a failure as a Knick, stop mentioning the NTC, we all know Phil/Dolan phucked up in giving it to him.

everybody we sign to a max contract has been a disappointment all the way back to EWING, then Houston, the Dice, then Steph, then Amare, now Melo.

It's going to be like that forever chuck, they will always be a overpaid player (in some ppls opinion) no matter the case, and the pill becomes even harder to swallow when you have that type of player, and he doesn't have the roster around him to make the team successful.

If okc doesn't make it to the finals (which the probably won't) does that make WB and KD, over paid?

Of course not, because they have chips, they make people better they play great defense all the time they never get hurt they...they're not Melo!

LOL how many triple doubles does Melo have this season? 30 out of 30 teams would love to have a Russell Westbrook on their team.

Westbrook is a great player no doubt. He also leads the league in Usage Rate (Melo is tied for 16th). Note that Melo came close to triple doubles 3 or 4 times this year in games that I watched. In those games he was pulled in the 4th Quarter as the Knicks had a large lead and he fell either 1-2 Assists or Rebounds short. Most here would certainly prefer Westbrook over Melo but that is not the point. You have such blind vitriol towards Melo that you leave yourself open to questioning. You can call Melo a failure all you want, but without serviceable players a the 1 & 2, the team is doomed to mediocrity at best. It's a team sport where multiple top players on the same roster are necessary to compete at a high level - some just keep forgetting that.

Buck would be calling for a Westbrook trade if he was a OKC fan. Think he forgets Westbrook has yet to win a chip and has had guys he probably has not heard off around him.. Kevin Durant and James Harden. Yet he expexts Melo to win with vets Min guys. Lmao

And that should be the take of any knowledgeable NBA fan who has realized that Westbrook has been a failure with the Thunder. SMH...

ChuckBuck wrote:Come on guys, you can't even put Melo and Westbrook in the same sentence without laughing.

No metric or eye test will have Melo prevail in any scenario. Win Shares Russ has .245 WS/48 to Melo's barely above average .121. Don't even have to mention Westbrook's incredible play the last couple of season. He's surpassed Kevin Durant on his own team, and KD is arguaby top 5 or 6 still.

Please don't bring in Melo EVER in an argument with Russell Westbrook, it's an instant loss.

Carmelo is top 100 all time in win shares, Russ is at 205.

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Come on guys, you can't even put Melo and Westbrook in the same sentence without laughing.

No metric or eye test will have Melo prevail in any scenario. Win Shares Russ has .245 WS/48 to Melo's barely above average .121. Don't even have to mention Westbrook's incredible play the last couple of season. He's surpassed Kevin Durant on his own team, and KD is arguaby top 5 or 6 still.

Please don't bring in Melo EVER in an argument with Russell Westbrook, it's an instant loss.

Carmelo is top 100 all time in win shares, Russ is at 205.

?

Rk              Player From   To   G    MP  PER  TS% 3PAr  FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG%   OWS  DWS   WS WS/48  OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
1      Carmelo Anthony 2004 2016 902 32796 21.1 .545 .168 .379  5.9 15.0 10.4 16.4  1.5  1.0 11.1 31.6  61.9 30.4 92.3  .135   2.6 -1.1 1.5 28.6
2    Russell Westbrook 2009 2016 587 19983 22.9 .529 .165 .393  5.7 12.5  9.3 39.2  2.6  0.6 15.5 31.3  42.6 24.4 67.0  .161   4.4  0.8 5.2 36.1

Playoffs

Rk              Player From   To  G   MP  PER  TS% 3PAr  FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG%  OWS DWS  WS WS/48  OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
1      Carmelo Anthony 2004 2013 66 2579 19.9 .513 .161 .378  6.3 16.0 10.9 14.2  1.7  0.7 10.4 32.6  3.5 2.2 5.7  .106   1.1  0.1 1.2  2.1
2    Russell Westbrook 2010 2016 67 2522 23.0 .521 .188 .368  5.7 12.7  9.3 35.6  2.4  0.7 13.6 32.6  5.3 2.3 7.6  .145   4.1  1.7 5.7  4.9

What's his playoff record without KD?

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Come on guys, you can't even put Melo and Westbrook in the same sentence without laughing.

No metric or eye test will have Melo prevail in any scenario. Win Shares Russ has .245 WS/48 to Melo's barely above average .121. Don't even have to mention Westbrook's incredible play the last couple of season. He's surpassed Kevin Durant on his own team, and KD is arguaby top 5 or 6 still.

Please don't bring in Melo EVER in an argument with Russell Westbrook, it's an instant loss.

Carmelo is top 100 all time in win shares, Russ is at 205.

?

Rk              Player From   To   G    MP  PER  TS% 3PAr  FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG%   OWS  DWS   WS WS/48  OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
1      Carmelo Anthony 2004 2016 902 32796 21.1 .545 .168 .379  5.9 15.0 10.4 16.4  1.5  1.0 11.1 31.6  61.9 30.4 92.3  .135   2.6 -1.1 1.5 28.6
2    Russell Westbrook 2009 2016 587 19983 22.9 .529 .165 .393  5.7 12.5  9.3 39.2  2.6  0.6 15.5 31.3  42.6 24.4 67.0  .161   4.4  0.8 5.2 36.1

Playoffs

Rk              Player From   To  G   MP  PER  TS% 3PAr  FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG%  OWS DWS  WS WS/48  OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
1      Carmelo Anthony 2004 2013 66 2579 19.9 .513 .161 .378  6.3 16.0 10.9 14.2  1.7  0.7 10.4 32.6  3.5 2.2 5.7  .106   1.1  0.1 1.2  2.1
2    Russell Westbrook 2010 2016 67 2522 23.0 .521 .188 .368  5.7 12.7  9.3 35.6  2.4  0.7 13.6 32.6  5.3 2.3 7.6  .145   4.1  1.7 5.7  4.9

What's his playoff record without KD?

What's his playoff record without Chauncey?

If Melo and Russ shouldnt be the same sentence. Then you shouldn't have to result to this comparison.

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Come on guys, you can't even put Melo and Westbrook in the same sentence without laughing.

No metric or eye test will have Melo prevail in any scenario. Win Shares Russ has .245 WS/48 to Melo's barely above average .121. Don't even have to mention Westbrook's incredible play the last couple of season. He's surpassed Kevin Durant on his own team, and KD is arguaby top 5 or 6 still.

Please don't bring in Melo EVER in an argument with Russell Westbrook, it's an instant loss.

Carmelo is top 100 all time in win shares, Russ is at 205.

how is melo all time in WS48?

Mreinman don't save him, he don't wanna be saved.

ChuckBuck wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:he was really good his first time here, and really bad his second.

Don't forget. He was really good the first time because he had the skill sets to flourish in SSOL with Amare. Push the ball down the floor and pick n roll teams to death with Amare.

Even then he was gassed after the first 2 1/2 months

All that said he's still better than Calderon. Felton was slightly less of a turnstile defensively. At least with guys his size. He really struggled against the speedier PGs though.

Calderon is just horrible. He would look slightly less horrible if Fisher stayed and they continued to run some pick n roll.

So it remains to be seen if Phil will come to the realization that we need a Jordan/Kobe type guard to win with the triangle or he hires a a coach that is more flexible and coaches to his personnel. Of course we don't have a lottery pick So Phil will be going into year 3 of 5 and still experimenting with a ****ty roster.

Wake me up when the Knicks sort things out

enjoy your nap. Ill wake you watch Melo play in the all star game next year

Hopefully, the NTC might still be there too...

Stop already with the Melo madness! He's a failure as a Knick, stop mentioning the NTC, we all know Phil/Dolan phucked up in giving it to him.

everybody we sign to a max contract has been a disappointment all the way back to EWING, then Houston, the Dice, then Steph, then Amare, now Melo.

It's going to be like that forever chuck, they will always be a overpaid player (in some ppls opinion) no matter the case, and the pill becomes even harder to swallow when you have that type of player, and he doesn't have the roster around him to make the team successful.

If okc doesn't make it to the finals (which the probably won't) does that make WB and KD, over paid?

Of course not, because they have chips, they make people better they play great defense all the time they never get hurt they...they're not Melo!

LOL how many triple doubles does Melo have this season? 30 out of 30 teams would love to have a Russell Westbrook on their team.

Westbrook is a great player no doubt. He also leads the league in Usage Rate (Melo is tied for 16th). Note that Melo came close to triple doubles 3 or 4 times this year in games that I watched. In those games he was pulled in the 4th Quarter as the Knicks had a large lead and he fell either 1-2 Assists or Rebounds short. Most here would certainly prefer Westbrook over Melo but that is not the point. You have such blind vitriol towards Melo that you leave yourself open to questioning. You can call Melo a failure all you want, but without serviceable players a the 1 & 2, the team is doomed to mediocrity at best. It's a team sport where multiple top players on the same roster are necessary to compete at a high level - some just keep forgetting that.

Buck would be calling for a Westbrook trade if he was a OKC fan. Think he forgets Westbrook has yet to win a chip and has had guys he probably has not heard off around him.. Kevin Durant and James Harden. Yet he expexts Melo to win with vets Min guys. Lmao

Didn't know Robin Lopez and Arron Affalo were making the veteran minimum. Lmao

Did you just compare KD and Harden to Rolo and AA? Blaha. The hate warps minds. Keep trying.