mreinman wrote:yeah just f**k em all. who needs em? we have rambis

lmao

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:maybe phil low balled him like he did with kerr

Kerr said he wasn't low balled. Besides this most likely was just a getting started phone call. Even if it's not Walton there are other options and Phil has more calls to make. Try not to orgasm with glee over something bad happening to the team! You are a very strange fan.

I'm strange? Me Gleeee? I am a rational fan. You are in lala land.

I love this team and I hate what we have become. I hoped that phil would come in and show us how smart he is but unfortunately, he has shown us so far that he was a great coach. Nothing more.

Being stuck on proving the triangle is obviously a problem that does not seem to be going over well around the league even if you try to make peaches out of it.

Kerr was low balled.

OK! You say you hate what we've become after Phil revamped the D League team! He tore down the roster that was old and headed nowhere. He drafted a possible franchise center! He made smart FA moves last summer. No GM is 100% perfect on all moves. The team is getting younger and making progress. We have our 1st Rd picks going forward and we have cap space for free agents. The team is setup with a solid Frontcourt and only needs 2 guards to improve the starting unit.

Phil doesn't have to prove the Triangle works! That's a settled issue!!! 11 Titles and many more years of playoff basketball. SETTLED! The Spurs use a lot of Triangle and won 67 games. Thibs used a lot of Triangle and was winning games.

Forgive me if I don't agree with your take on things. The coaching issue is being addressed right now. What exactly is so wrong with where the team is headed?

Luke is not leaving that situation for this weird situation. Phil has made it known that it's his way or the highway.

HAVE YOU EVERY HEARD A PREZ IN ANY SPORT say he will only interview people he knows, he didn't say he will hire or interview the best candidate out there, only people who will do what ever he says.

How much room will any coach have to do his own thing. It's like phil wants to coach through someone

Phil allowed Fish to do his own thing. Until the team started losing when he stepped in and fired him. Fish new what the parameters of the deal were when he took the job. The same will be true of the next coach. Phil wants to run the Triangle and he's building the team towards functioning as a Triangle team. Just to be clear not every coach even has a system they run. Some head coaches rely on an offensive assistant to handle the offense. It's not the deal breaker you think it is.

The real question we should be asking is why no one really wants the Knicks job at least anyone who is any good or out of a job. You could say that Phil is the reason but I think that talent trumps all. The Knicks have talent that is years away and believe me when I say this no one wants to coach a player like Melo. He is already in record for what he wants and made it know he doesn't really like the system. The true reality is that no one really wants to coach a star player who is in the decline and the talent is still a three years away from being realized. This was the situation when Phil turned the Knicks down for the Lakers and it's the situation now.

Rambis isn't as bad as you guys make him out to be he is doing the Knicks a service that Walton and Kerr want no part of. Some of you want Tibs but I guarantee you guys he turns the Knicks down too. This team is not ready for next year or the next two three year for that matter.

crzymdups wrote:

matt wrote:interesting that Kerr and Walton, who allegedly admire Jackson, have both shot him down.

You can admire a guy but also look at a roster and ownership and decide it's not a great situation.

Exactly, KP is still years away from being touted as a superstar. That is the only piece on the team going forward. What is the attraction to coach this situation? The life span of a NY coach roughly two years. That's not even enough time for KP to become settled into his game. No way anyone wants to coach Melo if they do it's really not about winning but getting a contract. I say let Rambis coach this team and go forward.

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

matt wrote:interesting that Kerr and Walton, who allegedly admire Jackson, have both shot him down.

You can admire a guy but also look at a roster and ownership and decide it's not a great situation.

Anyone with a brain can understand the attraction of GS for Kerr and Luke. Both are West coast guys and GS has the best talent PERIOD. Why should this be a knock on Phil.

NY is at a different stage than GS. There was a time when GS wasn't that attractive either. The Knicks are at the beginning of rebuilding this team and developing their young talent. IMO this is a great job to take cuz the team is only going to get better from here.

Dolan is a good owner when he's not meddling. The Rangers prove that point. Now the Knicks are in that same situation. Dolan has his issues but he also will spend money. Phil drafting KP has really made Dolan happy.

I don't think I said it was a knock on Phil. There are plenty of other legitimate reasons to knock Phil.

Dolan is not a good owner. Full stop.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:maybe phil low balled him like he did with kerr

Kerr said he wasn't low balled. Besides this most likely was just a getting started phone call. Even if it's not Walton there are other options and Phil has more calls to make. Try not to orgasm with glee over something bad happening to the team! You are a very strange fan.

Some fans only post about anything negative going on with the Knicks. They'll even come to a thread that's about something positive with the Knicks and find something bad to post in that thread. I don't understand it but that's their problem.

crzymdups wrote:Glad Phil asked... would've been shocked if Luke said yes. Why leave GSW now? Leave at the end of the dynasty, not in the middle of it.

Of course, according to Phil none of this ever happened:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/PhilJackson11/status/722055706749353984

Money! He'd make about 40x what he makes now coaching the Knicks. The fact that somebody would just instantly turn down that kinda money and a promotion makes the reports a bit hard to believe.

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

matt wrote:interesting that Kerr and Walton, who allegedly admire Jackson, have both shot him down.

You can admire a guy but also look at a roster and ownership and decide it's not a great situation.

Anyone with a brain can understand the attraction of GS for Kerr and Luke. Both are West coast guys and GS has the best talent PERIOD. Why should this be a knock on Phil.

NY is at a different stage than GS. There was a time when GS wasn't that attractive either. The Knicks are at the beginning of rebuilding this team and developing their young talent. IMO this is a great job to take cuz the team is only going to get better from here.

Dolan is a good owner when he's not meddling. The Rangers prove that point. Now the Knicks are in that same situation. Dolan has his issues but he also will spend money. Phil drafting KP has really made Dolan happy.

I don't think I said it was a knock on Phil. There are plenty of other legitimate reasons to knock Phil.

Dolan is not a good owner. Full stop.

Dolan is only a bad owner when he's meddling. When he's not meddling he's one of the best owners cuz he spares no expense for his teams. When this team is ready to win big he will be fully supportive as he's always been. So far there's really not much to complain about regarding Dolan since Phil has come on board.

mreinman wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:maybe phil low balled him like he did with kerr

Kerr said he wasn't low balled. Besides this most likely was just a getting started phone call. Even if it's not Walton there are other options and Phil has more calls to make. Try not to orgasm with glee over something bad happening to the team! You are a very strange fan.

I'm strange? Me Gleeee? I am a rational fan. You are in lala land.

I love this team and I hate what we have become. I hoped that phil would come in and show us how smart he is but unfortunately, he has shown us so far that he was a great coach. Nothing more.

Being stuck on proving the triangle is obviously a problem that does not seem to be going over well around the league even if you try to make peaches out of it.

Kerr was low balled.

OK! You say you hate what we've become after Phil revamped the D League team! He tore down the roster that was old and headed nowhere. He drafted a possible franchise center! He made smart FA moves last summer. No GM is 100% perfect on all moves. The team is getting younger and making progress. We have our 1st Rd picks going forward and we have cap space for free agents. The team is setup with a solid Frontcourt and only needs 2 guards to improve the starting unit.

Phil doesn't have to prove the Triangle works! That's a settled issue!!! 11 Titles and many more years of playoff basketball. SETTLED! The Spurs use a lot of Triangle and won 67 games. Thibs used a lot of Triangle and was winning games.

Forgive me if I don't agree with your take on things. The coaching issue is being addressed right now. What exactly is so wrong with where the team is headed?

we are no better off than we were before he got here. Are we? You are projecting that phil will do this and phil will do that but so far he has not.

The coaching issue is being addressed? His first choice was a disaster and his second choice looks like a bigger disaster.

Try to say that SA is running triangle? Please! Many teams I am sure steal ideas from diff systems but nobody is running true triangle.

Phil himself said that the media is making it that people don't want to come here. Perhaps phil is responsible for that as well?

I don't think that any decent FA picks us over another team/offer. NONE.

KP was an easy choice. He looks like a good prospect with good potential. That is not nearly enough of a sell. Melo looks like his best days are behind him. Melo is not exciting anyone to run to NY.

Hate to break it to you but things ain't that peachy from my vantage point and I would say that most non flag waving fans or pros would def agree.

We're in way better shape now than we were before Phil got here and don't understand how you don't see that and he hasn't even made his 2nd coaching decision yet so how can it already be a disaster?? Hahaha come on now.

so far it has been a disaster. Put a sh1tty team with a worse than sh1tty record out there without the intention to tank.

he has a lot to prove and fix.

seems like your only assessment is on record.

mreinman wrote:so far it has been a disaster. Put a sh1tty team with a worse than sh1tty record out there without the intention to tank.

he has a lot to prove and fix.

Once again you don't get KP if you keep the inherited Roster! You can keep talking nonsense but at some point you have to explain how it wasn't a good thing that Phil let the team bottom out in the one year we had a 1st rd pick. In that same draft he adds Jerian and Willy. So in your opinion this wasn't a good thing??? Can you not see how that makes no sense?

The starting frontcourt is VERY good and will get better as RoLo continues to improve his offense and KP matures. That basically leaves the 2 guard spots as the only holes. You can't say Phil has a lot to fix when really it's the 2 starting guard spots. If he solves at least one of those spots this summer it's progress. One way or another the coaching situation will be resolved. So i'm not really seeing all this "disaster" you're trying to promote. Instead it looks like a team making incremental progress. 2014-15 roster blown up. 2015-16 roster revamped. 2016-17 look to improve again. Seems to make sense to me.