callmened wrote:is D Rose healthy? can D Rose shoot anymore? would DRose want to play in the triangle? Would Phil want DRose? would OTHER team (like the BK Nets) offer more?

acquiring D Rose would be such a "knick" DOlan move that i think Phil is smart enough not to even touch him

DRose already played Triangle with Thibs!!!

callmened wrote:is D Rose healthy? can D Rose shoot anymore? would DRose want to play in the triangle? Would Phil want DRose? would OTHER team (like the BK Nets) offer more?

acquiring D Rose would be such a "knick" DOlan move that i think Phil is smart enough not to even touch him

It would only be a Dolan move if we gave up an unprotected pick for him. I would only have interest if Bulls were wiling to dump him out right. If another team offered more then so be it. But it would be a move that preserved the cap space for 2017 since his contract doesn't extend that far. You don't want to spend money going into 2017 (and 2018) this would fall along those same lines. But it also comes with a possible upside to it that not spending any money at all doesn't.

nixluva wrote:

callmened wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Hopefully, like last year the cap will be a few million more but NY's cap space is not really the issue, it's the FA class, league wide cap flexability, and NYs lack of attractiveness that are issues.

this guy hit it EXACTLY on the head!!!

doesnt matter if we have about $35 mill (which will be NOTHING in the new cap), its the fact that the whole WORLD have even more cap space to offer. the sixers have 70 mill to offer and spend. Will a mediocre player like jennings or bazemore want to come to nyc for 12 mill? or 16 mill in philly. other team's cap space will inflate the cost of these players

We will find out if they can make the case to FA's that the Knicks are a team on the rise and playing here with KP over the next 4 years is a good look. Don't solely focus on the W/L record. Players know who the next star players are likely to be. KAT and KP are two of the best young studs.

Phil has to make the case that this team is a great landing spot for the next 4 years. Great fan base and MSG is a great arena to star in. It's not the strongest scenario but it's better than Philly for more money IMO.

Almost no one is coming to NY for 4mm per less but a guy like Bazemore is not likely to get more than 12.5mm. I think Gasol can be talked into a little less 10-11mm per. I really like eth Curry over some of the retreads mentioned on this thread. Courtney Lee or Jaryd Bayless over Seth Curry no way. We didnt win with Affalo so we want someone inferior? Seth is upside city ALL skill players Seth Bazemore Gasol

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

callmened wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Hopefully, like last year the cap will be a few million more but NY's cap space is not really the issue, it's the FA class, league wide cap flexability, and NYs lack of attractiveness that are issues.

this guy hit it EXACTLY on the head!!!

doesnt matter if we have about $35 mill (which will be NOTHING in the new cap), its the fact that the whole WORLD have even more cap space to offer. the sixers have 70 mill to offer and spend. Will a mediocre player like jennings or bazemore want to come to nyc for 12 mill? or 16 mill in philly. other team's cap space will inflate the cost of these players

We will find out if they can make the case to FA's that the Knicks are a team on the rise and playing here with KP over the next 4 years is a good look. Don't solely focus on the W/L record. Players know who the next star players are likely to be. KAT and KP are two of the best young studs.

Phil has to make the case that this team is a great landing spot for the next 4 years. Great fan base and MSG is a great arena to star in. It's not the strongest scenario but it's better than Philly for more money IMO.

Almost no one is coming to NY for 4mm per less but a guy like Bazemore is not likely to get more than 12.5mm. I think Gasol can be talked into a little less 10-11mm per. I really like eth Curry over some of the retreads mentioned on this thread. Courtney Lee or Jaryd Bayless over Seth Curry no way. We didnt win with Affalo so we want someone inferior? Seth is upside city ALL skill players Seth Bazemore Gasol

BRIGGS wrote:

Malcolm wrote:Okay . . . $36 million to play with.

But let's hope that's only, say, $30 million . . . and we keep Derrick Williams.

Then Hernangomez also gets some of it -- 3 or 4 million (?)

What's left is enough to get someone useful.

A big name is probably not what we should hope for.

Who out there would qualify as the "Robin Lopez of shooting guards" (?)

That's what we should hope Jackson can pull off . . .

Gasol--2 years 21 mm
Bazemore 4 years 50mm
Curry 4 years 34mm

I'm not sure why you're so keen on Gasol- wasn't one of your chief complaints this season that our front court was too slow? I would be very wary of Gasol- I think he'll have a Camby-esq decline after the next contract he signs. I think our front court is fine, I'd rather spend the money on the backcourt- I'm fine with Curry and Bazemore, but would like to add another SF/SG in addition to those two players.

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Hopefully, like last year the cap will be a few million more but NY's cap space is not really the issue, it's the FA class, league wide cap flexability, and NYs lack of attractiveness that are issues.

The results of the Playoffs could really create some opportunities for the Knicks. Failure in the Playoffs has a way of making guys sour on their current situation. That could happen and maybe shake a few guys loose from their teams even tho they had a better record than NY. We'll see.

It might also be a year when the Knicks just go hard after young up and coming Restricted Free Agents. The Cap going up kind of works against the Knicks this time but they might have to be creative and aggressive. Unless Phil is fine with only minor moves and standing down until the 2017 Free Agent Market.

Failing in the playoffs is going to make them so sour on their current situation that they'd rather go to the 7th worst team in the league?

I know it seems counter intuitive but I think a player could be convinced that things would get significantly better in NY if they joined KP, MELO and RoLo. This is where the selling of the plan comes in. KP is going to get better! We have a very good Frontcourt and Role players. The issue is not enough talent in the starting Backcourt.

Even one good guard can have a huge impact. Take Isaiah Thomas or Kyle Lowry away from their teams and see how much it effects them. The right player added to the Knicks starting lineup could have a huge impact.

knicks1248 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:I'd like to see us get Batum. If we get some solid guys and Melo stays, I am not sure we can still win anything.
If we trade Melo and get picks, that is a crap shoot as well.
At least we have some cap room. Which we will need for Hernangomez and Williams as well.

Williams would be an idiot to opt out, his stats are well below avg, and he he may only secure a similar contract like he got this season.

If he opts in this yr, now that his role would be define from the jump, he may put up much better numbers, and have a chance to solidify his future with a bigger pay day for the 2016/17 season. If im his agent, that's what im telling him. DONT BE DUMB LIKE JR, and start tooting your own horn because you had a few good games.

Not only will he opt out but he'll get something like a 4 year $24/$28 million deal from the L.A Lakers.

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Malcolm wrote:Okay . . . $36 million to play with.

But let's hope that's only, say, $30 million . . . and we keep Derrick Williams.

Then Hernangomez also gets some of it -- 3 or 4 million (?)

What's left is enough to get someone useful.

A big name is probably not what we should hope for.

Who out there would qualify as the "Robin Lopez of shooting guards" (?)

That's what we should hope Jackson can pull off . . .

Gasol--2 years 21 mm
Bazemore 4 years 50mm
Curry 4 years 34mm

I'm not sure why you're so keen on Gasol- wasn't one of your chief complaints this season that our front court was too slow? I would be very wary of Gasol- I think he'll have a Camby-esq decline after the next contract he signs. I think our front court is fine, I'd rather spend the money on the backcourt- I'm fine with Curry and Bazemore, but would like to add another SF/SG in addition to those two players.

Don't agree gasol would be perfect IF we keep melo as a 3rd wheel upfront for 28 minutes. If you noticed I want bazemore curry valentine and two athletic 2 nd rd guards I do want to play much faster and use 3-4 guards at times. I'd rather kp Lopez gasoline all under 30 min to stay healthy and they should be very very good together

Weren't you the one saying that KP and Lopez can't play together??

nixluva wrote:
You're the one that asked if DRose would want to play in the Triangle!!! I merely pointed out that he was already playing Triangle under Thibs. My point is that Thibs ran it enough for me to know that it wouldn't be foreign to DRose at all. I do agree with you that DRose isn't the same player and he's certainly an injury risk, but if a deal was made DRose would most likely be just fine running the Triangle having run enough of the offense already. In fact if they also brought in Pau then you'd really have a very short adjustment period given their familiarity with the offense.

oh yeah. lol. i DID mention that

ANYONE can run the triangle if they want to...the question is do they WANT to?

newyorknewyork wrote:There are some decent wings we can nab that aren't world beaters but would be good contributors.

The question though is balancing everything out. Jerien Grant at the moment and Tony Wroten can't really shoot and are both question marks but are who we are relying on to step up in penetration. Evan Turner's playmaking is a must but he can't really shoot as well. Does Wroten cancel out the need for a Turner? Doubt we could count on him though

Jared Dudley is a must regardless imo. Turner or Lee to pair with Dudley would be good but it all depends on Grant and Wroten. If they step up then Lee is the better fit. If they can't then Turner would be the better fit.

jared dudley and melo playing together? I don't think so.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Hopefully, like last year the cap will be a few million more but NY's cap space is not really the issue, it's the FA class, league wide cap flexability, and NYs lack of attractiveness that are issues.

The results of the Playoffs could really create some opportunities for the Knicks. Failure in the Playoffs has a way of making guys sour on their current situation. That could happen and maybe shake a few guys loose from their teams even tho they had a better record than NY. We'll see.

It might also be a year when the Knicks just go hard after young up and coming Restricted Free Agents. The Cap going up kind of works against the Knicks this time but they might have to be creative and aggressive. Unless Phil is fine with only minor moves and standing down until the 2017 Free Agent Market.

Failing in the playoffs is going to make them so sour on their current situation that they'd rather go to the 7th worst team in the league?

I know it seems counter intuitive but I think a player could be convinced that things would get significantly better in NY if they joined KP, MELO and RoLo. This is where the selling of the plan comes in. KP is going to get better! We have a very good Frontcourt and Role players. The issue is not enough talent in the starting Backcourt.

Even one good guard can have a huge impact. Take Isaiah Thomas or Kyle Lowry away from their teams and see how much it effects them. The right player added to the Knicks starting lineup could have a huge impact.

sorry but this is a pipe dream. The only way a player would want to come to NY now is if the knicks offer much more than the market value of a player.

All being equal ... the knicks are a very undesirable looking destination for a FA.

I'm not expecting miracles considering the W/L record and Media perception, but I think that there are players who will see NY as a very nice landing spot. The Frontcourt is set!!! They need a couple of guys to believe they would be the difference makers for this team. Most quality players believe in themselves that way.

If none of the top targets come this team will still have cap space for the following summer and that won't stop the team from again making some incremental progress next season. If they can make a 10-15 game improvement that would show that the team is on the rise.