martin wrote:

EnySpree wrote:I can't pay Seth Curry 4 years 42 million. $10 million per for a dude that's pissed away every opportunity he's had until now? That's a big commitment... how about 2 year 12 million? Even that's too much. I would have to throw in a team option.

Yes, I was gonna mention the same. $10M per is insane, especially over 4 years unless you see a young 2-way player.

I think Seth is going to get an MLE which is 4 years 34mm--used to be 5 years 28mm. Why wouldnt a team give him an MLE or even a tad higher?

EnySpree wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Subject to change of course, but right now i'll say:

C Lopez
PF Porzingis
SF Anthony
SG Fournier (4 years 45 mil, good shooting/high IQ guy)
PG Rondo (4 years 50 mil, Melo will have influence over this move)

I'm sure we will do this every couple of months, but what is your prediction right now?

This actually an ideal starting line up. Melo, KP and Rolo need a floor leader like Rondo. Rondo needs a quality shooter/ball handler next to him also and Fournier is that guy. I would sign off on this and say let's go to war!

I say Melo wants us to take advantage of his window, then give him what he wants. He wants Rondo here, and has clearly lobbied for him over the years, so give him what he wants. As a compromise, i would push to give Rondo only a 3 year deal (or less, although unlikely) to tie his contract to Melo. Then, i want to secure a young, promising SG who can SHOOT. He has to be a shooter. Fournier is the top choice for me, then Bazemore, then Crabbe. 3 options for knock down shooters who can grow with KP. Melo will have KP as his go-to guy coming into his 2nd season, Rondo who is the guy he will respect and hopefully vice-versa, and a shooter and Lopez. No excuses. Here you go Melo, lead us deep into the playoffs.

Paris907 wrote:Don't get me wrong I ll take rondo over lots of guys but if they stretch Jose and neither Afflalo nor DWill opts in we've $35 to play with. I'll take Durant and DeRozen for that kinda money and maybe still bring in Fournier rather than Rondo who we all know could be disruptive
Durant/DeRozen - Melo KP Fournier Lopez
Thomas OQuinn Willy G Grant Galloway Wroten

Of course, anyone would. But the point is that isn't that realistic. Rondo and Fournier, in my opinion, is realistic.

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Paris907 wrote:Don't get me wrong I ll take rondo over lots of guys but if they stretch Jose and neither Afflalo nor DWill opts in we've $35 to play with. I'll take Durant and DeRozen for that kinda money and maybe still bring in Fournier rather than Rondo who we all know could be disruptive
Durant/DeRozen - Melo KP Fournier Lopez
Thomas OQuinn Willy G Grant Galloway Wroten

Of course, anyone would. But the point is that isn't that realistic. Rondo and Fournier, in my opinion, is realistic.

Fournier is a restricted free agent so its going to cost way more than 10mm. Id rather go after an unrestricted free agent like Bazemore.

Im sticking with my thought process

#1 free agent Pau Gasol
#2 free agent Kent Bazemore
#3 free agent Seth Curry
#4 Resign Lance Thomas
#5 look into Boban Marjonovic if we can unload Kyle Oquinn
#6 If it makes sense to keep Langston Galloway ok if not replaced by a DJ Augustin type guard for NBA vet minimum

Try as hard as I can to trade for Denzell Valentine with Denver mid range using my 2018 with lower restriction(top 5)

buy/trade for two seconds
Patric McCaw
Derrick Jones

That gives us

C Lopez
F KP
F Carmelo
G Bazemore
G Grant or Curry

C/PF Pau Gasol
F Lance Thomas
G Grant or Curry
G Valentine
G Wroten Galloway or vet min

Bench
Kyle Oquinn or possibly look into Boban M
Willy G
P Mccaw(draft pick 33)
D Jones(draft pick 45)
Wroten Galloway

The following year we install our 2 new 6-7 Gs into the rotation

That would leave us with

5 bigs
3 wing players
7 guards

Yes Fournier will cost more than 10 mil. I think Pau will too. He's coming off 2 all-star appearances in a row. Why does he come here for less money and to come off the bench? What benefit is it to him? He can start many places.

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Paris907 wrote:Don't get me wrong I ll take rondo over lots of guys but if they stretch Jose and neither Afflalo nor DWill opts in we've $35 to play with. I'll take Durant and DeRozen for that kinda money and maybe still bring in Fournier rather than Rondo who we all know could be disruptive
Durant/DeRozen - Melo KP Fournier Lopez
Thomas OQuinn Willy G Grant Galloway Wroten

Of course, anyone would. But the point is that isn't that realistic. Rondo and Fournier, in my opinion, is realistic.

Fournier is a restricted free agent so its going to cost way more than 10mm. Id rather go after an unrestricted free agent like Bazemore.

Im sticking with my thought process

#1 free agent Pau Gasol
#2 free agent Kent Bazemore
#3 free agent Seth Curry
#4 Resign Lance Thomas
#5 look into Boban Marjonovic if we can unload Kyle Oquinn
#6 If it makes sense to keep Langston Galloway ok if not replaced by a DJ Augustin type guard for NBA vet minimum

Try as hard as I can to trade for Denzell Valentine with Denver mid range using my 2018 with lower restriction(top 5)

buy/trade for two seconds
Patric McCaw
Derrick Jones

That gives us

C Lopez
F KP
F Carmelo
G Bazemore
G Grant or Curry

C/PF Pau Gasol
F Lance Thomas
G Grant or Curry
G Valentine
G Wroten Galloway or vet min

Bench
Kyle Oquinn or possibly look into Boban M
Willy G
P Mccaw(draft pick 33)
D Jones(draft pick 45)
Wroten Galloway

The following year we install our 2 new 6-7 Gs into the rotation

That would leave us with

5 bigs
3 wing players
7 guards

Yes Fournier will cost more than 10 mil. I think Pau will too. He's coming off 2 all-star appearances in a row. Why does he come here for less money and to come off the bench? What benefit is it to him? He can start many places.

Id give him two years 10-11 mm per. Its not about who starts Gasol would get 26-28 minutes in a rotation with KP and Lopez. Im not worried about starters I just want to get the players and work it out from there.

But Pau will want to go someplace he can start.

BRIGGS wrote:Pau Gasol--why you have the best remaining triangle post player in the world
Kent Bazemore---athletic 2 guard who plays a versatile game and has range
Seth Curry--unlike others--we dont need a dominant PG we need a PG who can shoot the three well play D do some penetrating and find the open man.
Valentine--same as above
Boban--I really like him if we can get rid of Oquinn(maybe trade for a 2 on draft night?)

both 2nd rounders

building the next foundation with two exciting lengthy 6-7 athletic two way players we can mold into what we want

I like all of the players you mentioned. Only reason i prefer Fournier is youth and better outside shooting but Bazemore would be an awesome pickup.

Gallo
Grant
DLee
DWill
KOQ
HernanGomez
LT
Vujacic

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Subject to change of course, but right now i'll say:

C Lopez
PF Porzingis
SF Anthony
SG Fournier (4 years 45 mil, good shooting/high IQ guy)
PG Rondo (4 years 50 mil, Melo will have influence over this move)

I'm sure we will do this every couple of months, but what is your prediction right now?

This actually an ideal starting line up. Melo, KP and Rolo need a floor leader like Rondo. Rondo needs a quality shooter/ball handler next to him also and Fournier is that guy. I would sign off on this and say let's go to war!

I say Melo wants us to take advantage of his window, then give him what he wants. He wants Rondo here, and has clearly lobbied for him over the years, so give him what he wants. As a compromise, i would push to give Rondo only a 3 year deal (or less, although unlikely) to tie his contract to Melo. Then, i want to secure a young, promising SG who can SHOOT. He has to be a shooter. Fournier is the top choice for me, then Bazemore, then Crabbe. 3 options for knock down shooters who can grow with KP. Melo will have KP as his go-to guy coming into his 2nd season, Rondo who is the guy he will respect and hopefully vice-versa, and a shooter and Lopez. No excuses. Here you go Melo, lead us deep into the playoffs.

i doubt jackson acquires players to suit melo's personal tastes and preferences. acquiring players is the gm's job. i doubt jackson's criteria for players matches with yours. as odd as it may sound to you, i am not sure shooting is a top priority for whoever he gets to replace afflalo... i think passers and playmakers and defenders is what he wants. i mean the bulls had ron harper-- not known for his shooting but he could make plays and defend.

evan turner fits that mold better than the players you mentioned.

I agree about not matching players to Melo's preference. I just think Rondo is someone Phil might be interested in as well. It just makes sense he ends up here, even though it's such a Knicks move to make (a highly questionable one.) But he's the best PG on the market that is likely to come and has difference making ability (not to say he will.) I think it is a fair compromise for Melo and Phil. As for the other point, if we don't put a couple shooters in this lineup, we are in trouble. I have never been a fan of non-shooting wings, and even more than ever, this is the NBA now.

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Subject to change of course, but right now i'll say:

C Lopez
PF Porzingis
SF Anthony
SG Fournier (4 years 45 mil, good shooting/high IQ guy)
PG Rondo (4 years 50 mil, Melo will have influence over this move)

I'm sure we will do this every couple of months, but what is your prediction right now?

This actually an ideal starting line up. Melo, KP and Rolo need a floor leader like Rondo. Rondo needs a quality shooter/ball handler next to him also and Fournier is that guy. I would sign off on this and say let's go to war!

I say Melo wants us to take advantage of his window, then give him what he wants. He wants Rondo here, and has clearly lobbied for him over the years, so give him what he wants. As a compromise, i would push to give Rondo only a 3 year deal (or less, although unlikely) to tie his contract to Melo. Then, i want to secure a young, promising SG who can SHOOT. He has to be a shooter. Fournier is the top choice for me, then Bazemore, then Crabbe. 3 options for knock down shooters who can grow with KP. Melo will have KP as his go-to guy coming into his 2nd season, Rondo who is the guy he will respect and hopefully vice-versa, and a shooter and Lopez. No excuses. Here you go Melo, lead us deep into the playoffs.

i doubt jackson acquires players to suit melo's personal tastes and preferences. acquiring players is the gm's job. i doubt jackson's criteria for players matches with yours. as odd as it may sound to you, i am not sure shooting is a top priority for whoever he gets to replace afflalo... i think passers and playmakers and defenders is what he wants. i mean the bulls had ron harper-- not known for his shooting but he could make plays and defend.

evan turner fits that mold better than the players you mentioned.

I agree about not matching players to Melo's preference. I just think Rondo is someone Phil might be interested in as well. It just makes sense he ends up here, even though it's such a Knicks move to make (a highly questionable one.) But he's the best PG on the market that is likely to come and has difference making ability (not to say he will.) I think it is a fair compromise for Melo and Phil. As for the other point, if we don't put a couple shooters in this lineup, we are in trouble. I have never been a fan of non-shooting wings, and even more than ever, this is the NBA now.

yes it's an odd thing to say that he may not be looking at shooters per se, but then the triangle is about cuts off the ball, and making passes to cutters in traffic, preferable on their way to the basket to finish. it i certainly bucking the trend of shoot shoot and shoot some more, but if you aren't going to be a copycat-- which jackson isn't-- then you need to find players that can do what the triangle asks of them-- and of course defend the position. lopez, williams, and kp are the benficiaries of this style of ball, but the other players have to be able to make the sorts of passes in traffic that will find the player's hands.

Paris907 wrote:To Briggs. If you've Bazemore and Curry Grant and Valentine what will you do if grant and Wroten end up as the better of the Backcourts. Nice problem I guess but you just dropped $85m to find that out.

I think you get s bunch of good team players and not worry about who makes what. If we have gasol Lopez and kp surrounded by 7-8 good Wing players who move the ball we will win a lot of games