crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Hes a good player who doesnt show up at times -- does not create the ball movement from the post that you need in the triangle offense--and defends well against average players. If we want to win---lets go out and spend the money on Pau Gasol and keep Lopez to the role player 24 minute status other that 1/4 when he gives us a 20-10 in 35

I'm fine with that. I agree with you about adding Pau Gasol or David Lee. There were so many games this season that were lost the second KOQ or Seraphin stepped on the floor as the third big man off the bench.

We need to upgrade there.

Before we go adding to our front court, could we take care of the back court? Its the bigger hole on our roster moving into next year and beyond.

KP, ROLO, Melo, KOQ & D Williams & Lance (if they come back) as a group is a fine front court, especially if we can add some talent to the back court.

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Hes a good player who doesnt show up at times -- does not create the ball movement from the post that you need in the triangle offense--and defends well against average players. If we want to win---lets go out and spend the money on Pau Gasol and keep Lopez to the role player 24 minute status other that 1/4 when he gives us a 20-10 in 35

I see it quite differently. I see a player who improved quite dramatically during the season. He had zero post game and zero offensive focus prior to the year and showed that he could do both. He played without any penetrating guards, something that will help him get even more easy buckets.

If I remember correctly, Rolo had trouble guarding certain types of guys during the year, his brother, Vucevic, Cousins and Gasol brothers, guys can shoot the 20 footer with ease; I recall him matching games Whiteside, DHoward, Pau (when he was hurt), Cousins for one. Rolo needs to shore up the D from distance and also get a shot that is FT line extended range. Needs to keep the ball high when he receives it in the post and keep the ball moving quickly.

For his age and the position he plays, I can't think of another C that I would want for the contract he's on at $13M. That's more than a bargain. He is going to protect KP for another 2 years and then he can be moved or moved to bench. Care to offer up any other C on non rookie contact that you would sub out for? http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

He's a team player and fierce. I like him as part of the puzzle for a team that could win 50-60 games with other players.

We finally agree on something.

Although, with the way fisher wanted to speed up the pace early in the season, he was on the bench for much of the 2nd half of games (which made no sense to me) even though it was the bench doing much of the struggling in late November and December.

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:monroe played all the games plus all preseason so take that!

He also had a higher WS/48, Drtg, BPM, and VOrp. However the difference in the latter three is tiny and Lopez costs less so its all good.

It's interesting that their career WS ratings are exactly the same: .135! I think if Monroe had to adjust to the triangle and Lopez were in Detroit, all of Lopez's #s would be better than Monroe's. I wish you could tell BBall reference to give all these advanced stats just for the 2nd half.

Write them! You'd be surprised at how many site and site owners respond

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:monroe played all the games plus all preseason so take that!

He also had a higher WS/48, Drtg, BPM, and VOrp. However the difference in the latter three is tiny and Lopez costs less so its all good.

Monroe needs a WS48 of close to .300 to make up for his alligator arm defense.

Defense is already incorporated in the WS rating, although it's not a perfect measure of defense. It incorporates Oliver's defensive rating statistic.

that is borderline worthless

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:monroe played all the games plus all preseason so take that!

He also had a higher WS/48, Drtg, BPM, and VOrp. However the difference in the latter three is tiny and Lopez costs less so its all good.

Monroe needs a WS48 of close to .300 to make up for his alligator arm defense.

Defense is already incorporated in the WS rating, although it's not a perfect measure of defense. It incorporates Oliver's defensive rating statistic.

that is borderline worthless

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:monroe played all the games plus all preseason so take that!

He also had a higher WS/48, Drtg, BPM, and VOrp. However the difference in the latter three is tiny and Lopez costs less so its all good.

Monroe needs a WS48 of close to .300 to make up for his alligator arm defense.

Defense is already incorporated in the WS rating, although it's not a perfect measure of defense. It incorporates Oliver's defensive rating statistic.

that is borderline worthless

How familiar with it are you? I'm pretty sure it goes way beyond the simple box score stats like rebounding and steals.

this was one that I remember but there are many of these.

http://ascreamingcomesacrossthecourt.blogspot.com/2013/04/defensive-win-shares-are-completely.html

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:monroe played all the games plus all preseason so take that!

He also had a higher WS/48, Drtg, BPM, and VOrp. However the difference in the latter three is tiny and Lopez costs less so its all good.

Monroe needs a WS48 of close to .300 to make up for his alligator arm defense.

Defense is already incorporated in the WS rating, although it's not a perfect measure of defense. It incorporates Oliver's defensive rating statistic.

that is borderline worthless

How familiar with it are you? I'm pretty sure it goes way beyond the simple box score stats like rebounding and steals.

this was one that I remember but there are many of these.

http://ascreamingcomesacrossthecourt.blogspot.com/2013/04/defensive-win-shares-are-completely.html

Thanks. That's a helpful explanation. I don't think a few anecdotes disproves the stats but the writer's reasoning is strong too. It gives me a lot more to look into when I get a chance. So all these years you've been mentioning players win shares but you really only care about the offensive win shares? Why do you mention the total win shares rating?

I do that because things are complicated enough for fans or posters to comprehend. Quoting that as a whole is the easiest route.

I still rely on my dumb eyes for defense.