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4/11/2016  7:53 PM
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crzymdups wrote:But, yeah, I think he's an interesting candidate. And one who might sneak through all the tricky webs that a candidate for coach at the Garden these days needs to sneak through - appeasing Melo, appeasing Phil, etc.

I sort of bet Mills has suggested Blatt as a way to mediate between Melo and Phil. Melo clearly is not cool with Rambis coming back.

Has Melo said anything to say he clearly isn't alright with Rambis as the full time coach or are you going off of rumors?? This is a serious question because i haven't heard that he said anything.

I knew we talked about Blatt on here before and a lot of us thought he got a raw deal in Cleveland cause he actually did a good job there.

From this article, his support has been tepid at best. And he's repeatedly said "you have to see who's out there." Compared to his strong support of Woodson as an interim coach, it's pretty stark.

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/4/7/11383936/carmelo-anthony-wants-input-on-the-coaching-search-which-is-not-a


It should come as little surprise, then, that Melo reiterated his belief that he should have a voice in the process of promoting (or not promoting) the interim head coach. Per Stefan Bondy:

"I would love to have some type of input when it comes to that," said Anthony, who complimented Rambis' job but also has implored the Knicks to interview other candidates. "I think you have to. I think you have to have some kind of input or dialogue or whatever word you want to use. I think you have to have that. At this point it has to be some type of connection, some type of communication."

If you'd like to know what Melo's seal of approval looks like, here's what he had to say about Mike Woodson during his interim period late in the 2011-12 ... again, per Bondy:

"Absolutely, absolutely. I'd love to see him back," Anthony said. "I support that. Everybody knows what he's done thus far since he's been here in this short period that he's had the head coaching job. There's no need to cut it off right now. We're kind of just getting started."

Yeah i've seen all that stuff but i was just wondering if he actually said anything that he didn't want Rambis as the full time head coach.
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4/11/2016  8:17 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
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crzymdups wrote:But, yeah, I think he's an interesting candidate. And one who might sneak through all the tricky webs that a candidate for coach at the Garden these days needs to sneak through - appeasing Melo, appeasing Phil, etc.

I sort of bet Mills has suggested Blatt as a way to mediate between Melo and Phil. Melo clearly is not cool with Rambis coming back.

Has Melo said anything to say he clearly isn't alright with Rambis as the full time coach or are you going off of rumors?? This is a serious question because i haven't heard that he said anything.

I knew we talked about Blatt on here before and a lot of us thought he got a raw deal in Cleveland cause he actually did a good job there.

From this article, his support has been tepid at best. And he's repeatedly said "you have to see who's out there." Compared to his strong support of Woodson as an interim coach, it's pretty stark.

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/4/7/11383936/carmelo-anthony-wants-input-on-the-coaching-search-which-is-not-a


It should come as little surprise, then, that Melo reiterated his belief that he should have a voice in the process of promoting (or not promoting) the interim head coach. Per Stefan Bondy:

"I would love to have some type of input when it comes to that," said Anthony, who complimented Rambis' job but also has implored the Knicks to interview other candidates. "I think you have to. I think you have to have some kind of input or dialogue or whatever word you want to use. I think you have to have that. At this point it has to be some type of connection, some type of communication."

If you'd like to know what Melo's seal of approval looks like, here's what he had to say about Mike Woodson during his interim period late in the 2011-12 ... again, per Bondy:

"Absolutely, absolutely. I'd love to see him back," Anthony said. "I support that. Everybody knows what he's done thus far since he's been here in this short period that he's had the head coaching job. There's no need to cut it off right now. We're kind of just getting started."

Yeah i've seen all that stuff but i was just wondering if he actually said anything that he didn't want Rambis as the full time head coach.

He's not an idiot. He would be crucified if he said that out loud. Read between the lines.

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4/11/2016  8:18 PM
Meanwhile, Frankie Ice is still pushing his friend Tommy Thibs. Given how much Dolan hates Isola and Thibs, I'm sure this article will make a big impact.

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nyknickzingis wrote:Blatt should work on the defense, Rambis should keep reign on the offense. I'm totally fine with that. Blatt's issues in Cleveland were his offense as well. They didn't have a great set up there. If he's on the same page with Phil with regards to wanting a system and keeping the Triangle, he can assign the offense to Rambis who can stay on as an associate while Blatt focuses on team management, the defense and getting guys in line. He's a tough guy, he will get on you if you don't do your job, and most of all he's honest.

I wouldn't mind a Blatt/Rambis combination.

I'm kind of in this boat.

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4/12/2016  1:30 AM
Blatt is a proven master of turning shyte into candy. Just the type of guy the Knicks need right now. I say hire him

I also like Thibs, but worry that he would run his players into the ground and keep a short rotation with limited opps for younger players to develop. Didn't his Bulls always get to the playoffs exhausted and injury-depleted?
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4/12/2016  3:23 AM
Blatt or Thibs seem like pretty good choices but . . . well, we'll see. I was going to say "Why would they take the job?" but, hey, money is nice and Thibs has apparently said he wants to coach the Knicks so . . . well, we'll see. Maybe. Hopefully.
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4/12/2016  8:01 AM
martin wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Blatt should work on the defense, Rambis should keep reign on the offense. I'm totally fine with that. Blatt's issues in Cleveland were his offense as well. They didn't have a great set up there. If he's on the same page with Phil with regards to wanting a system and keeping the Triangle, he can assign the offense to Rambis who can stay on as an associate while Blatt focuses on team management, the defense and getting guys in line. He's a tough guy, he will get on you if you don't do your job, and most of all he's honest.

I wouldn't mind a Blatt/Rambis combination.

I'm kind of in this boat.

Me too. Phil has left enough wiggle room in his description of what he's looking for to include blatt, namely ball and player movement, team ball

My one peeve is I don't want the choice to be a "compromise". That often means the worst of both worlds

If they choose him it should be because he is THE guy for he job

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4/12/2016  9:38 AM
I thought Blatts problems in Cleveland was making the talent fit. The Cavs are not an organically constructed team nor is there a stable philosophy in place.
The Roster turnover even since LeBron rejoined is high in the two seasons since.

Blatts motion offense is derived from the Princeton offense which is inline with the triangle.
I am in the camp that Mills is a very competent president in waiting and if he is still tight with Blatt a history and trust element could be a very good thing going forward. This allows Phil to perhaps groom a basketball oriented GM for roster construction and maintain the philosophy.

BTW, the Triangle is not antiquated, it evolves.

Starphuch or not, Blatt/Thibs or not, this is how I want it to go down. Lets build a culture and then the rest will fall into place over time.
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4/12/2016  9:40 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/12/2016  9:41 AM
martin wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Blatt should work on the defense, Rambis should keep reign on the offense. I'm totally fine with that. Blatt's issues in Cleveland were his offense as well. They didn't have a great set up there. If he's on the same page with Phil with regards to wanting a system and keeping the Triangle, he can assign the offense to Rambis who can stay on as an associate while Blatt focuses on team management, the defense and getting guys in line. He's a tough guy, he will get on you if you don't do your job, and most of all he's honest.

I wouldn't mind a Blatt/Rambis combination.

I'm kind of in this boat.

I wouldn't mind Blatt/Rambis, but I don't think it's fair to blame Blatt for the offense in Cleveland. Too often Lebron looked off what Blatt wanted to do. The offense was a mess because of Lebron. (Of course, Bron is so good that that mess got the Cavs a 2-1 lead in the Finals last year)

With Rambis and Blatt working together to construct a motion offense that has elements of the Triangle... I think it could lead to a really interesting offense, with maybe some wrinkles no one has seen before.

I'd be okay to keep Rambis for some continuity, as long as Blatt was firmly in charge.

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crzymdups wrote:Meanwhile, Frankie Ice is still pushing his friend Tommy Thibs. Given how much Dolan hates Isola and Thibs, I'm sure this article will make a big impact.

Isola concepts are weak. Harping that "Fans deserve better" is pandering to the audience. Im eating a buttered roll in the subway with a medium coffee with milk and two sugars digesting the Daily News thinking "yeah, I deserve better!!!" "Phuching Thibbs, he's a knuckle head like me! He wants in NY, Why the phuch not??"
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4/12/2016  10:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/12/2016  10:50 AM
crzymdups wrote:
martin wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Blatt should work on the defense, Rambis should keep reign on the offense. I'm totally fine with that. Blatt's issues in Cleveland were his offense as well. They didn't have a great set up there. If he's on the same page with Phil with regards to wanting a system and keeping the Triangle, he can assign the offense to Rambis who can stay on as an associate while Blatt focuses on team management, the defense and getting guys in line. He's a tough guy, he will get on you if you don't do your job, and most of all he's honest.

I wouldn't mind a Blatt/Rambis combination.

I'm kind of in this boat.

I wouldn't mind Blatt/Rambis, but I don't think it's fair to blame Blatt for the offense in Cleveland. Too often Lebron looked off what Blatt wanted to do. The offense was a mess because of Lebron. (Of course, Bron is so good that that mess got the Cavs a 2-1 lead in the Finals last year)

With Rambis and Blatt working together to construct a motion offense that has elements of the Triangle... I think it could lead to a really interesting offense, with maybe some wrinkles no one has seen before.

I'd be okay to keep Rambis for some continuity, as long as Blatt was firmly in charge.

My gut feeling is that having both of them could lead to issues.

Blatt is coming from a job where a player usurped his authority...not sure he would want to be in a situation where he shares power with Rambis, especially knowing the favor Rambis holds with Jackson, as both a proponent of the Triangle and as a personal friend.

If Rambis could live with Blatt having the final say in everything, it might work, but I don't think Rambis would agree to such a condition, and knowing Rambis' friendship with Phil, Blatt would be looking over his back all the time if they worked together.

The NY media, of course, will simply love this kind of soap opera...another reason why it might not work.

For myself- I would go with Blatt and a defensive guru assistant coach.

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martin wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Blatt should work on the defense, Rambis should keep reign on the offense. I'm totally fine with that. Blatt's issues in Cleveland were his offense as well. They didn't have a great set up there. If he's on the same page with Phil with regards to wanting a system and keeping the Triangle, he can assign the offense to Rambis who can stay on as an associate while Blatt focuses on team management, the defense and getting guys in line. He's a tough guy, he will get on you if you don't do your job, and most of all he's honest.

I wouldn't mind a Blatt/Rambis combination.

I'm kind of in this boat.

I'm 100% in this boat. Blatt was comfortable with LeBron running the offense. I'm sure he'll be fine with Rambis doing that--in fact it might be an improvement for Blatt.

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crzymdups wrote:
martin wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Blatt should work on the defense, Rambis should keep reign on the offense. I'm totally fine with that. Blatt's issues in Cleveland were his offense as well. They didn't have a great set up there. If he's on the same page with Phil with regards to wanting a system and keeping the Triangle, he can assign the offense to Rambis who can stay on as an associate while Blatt focuses on team management, the defense and getting guys in line. He's a tough guy, he will get on you if you don't do your job, and most of all he's honest.

I wouldn't mind a Blatt/Rambis combination.

I'm kind of in this boat.

I wouldn't mind Blatt/Rambis, but I don't think it's fair to blame Blatt for the offense in Cleveland. Too often Lebron looked off what Blatt wanted to do. The offense was a mess because of Lebron. (Of course, Bron is so good that that mess got the Cavs a 2-1 lead in the Finals last year)

With Rambis and Blatt working together to construct a motion offense that has elements of the Triangle... I think it could lead to a really interesting offense, with maybe some wrinkles no one has seen before.

I'd be okay to keep Rambis for some continuity, as long as Blatt was firmly in charge.

My gut feeling is that having both of them could lead to issues.

Blatt is coming from a job where a player usurped his authority...not sure he would want to be in a situation where he shares power with Rambis, especially knowing the favor Rambis holds with Jackson, as both a proponent of the Triangle and as a personal friend.

If Rambis could live with Blatt having the final say in everything, it might work, but I don't think Rambis would agree to such a condition, and knowing Rambis' friendship with Phil, Blatt would be looking over his back all the time if they worked together.

The NY media, of course, will simply love this kind of soap opera...another reason why it might not work.

For myself- I would go with Blatt and a defensive guru assistant coach.

I think it's the exact opposite. The reason is that it's a coach on Blatt's staff running the offense, as opposed to player. If Melo did that I think Blatt would pull a reverse Spreewell. But I think he would have no problem running his coaching staff.

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As far as I know Blatt is a very knowledgeable offensive mind. Why do some of you think he would need Rambis for that? Lebron was the one who really caused the offense to look the way it did. On the court Lebron was in control of the ball. Blatt wouldn't have run that if he had a team like the Knicks. Rambis was Phil's defensive guru with the Lakers! If anything Blatt might be fine with Rambis taking on that kind of role.
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crzymdups wrote:
martin wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Blatt should work on the defense, Rambis should keep reign on the offense. I'm totally fine with that. Blatt's issues in Cleveland were his offense as well. They didn't have a great set up there. If he's on the same page with Phil with regards to wanting a system and keeping the Triangle, he can assign the offense to Rambis who can stay on as an associate while Blatt focuses on team management, the defense and getting guys in line. He's a tough guy, he will get on you if you don't do your job, and most of all he's honest.

I wouldn't mind a Blatt/Rambis combination.

I'm kind of in this boat.

I wouldn't mind Blatt/Rambis, but I don't think it's fair to blame Blatt for the offense in Cleveland. Too often Lebron looked off what Blatt wanted to do. The offense was a mess because of Lebron. (Of course, Bron is so good that that mess got the Cavs a 2-1 lead in the Finals last year)

With Rambis and Blatt working together to construct a motion offense that has elements of the Triangle... I think it could lead to a really interesting offense, with maybe some wrinkles no one has seen before.

I'd be okay to keep Rambis for some continuity, as long as Blatt was firmly in charge.

My gut feeling is that having both of them could lead to issues.

Blatt is coming from a job where a player usurped his authority...not sure he would want to be in a situation where he shares power with Rambis, especially knowing the favor Rambis holds with Jackson, as both a proponent of the Triangle and as a personal friend.

If Rambis could live with Blatt having the final say in everything, it might work, but I don't think Rambis would agree to such a condition, and knowing Rambis' friendship with Phil, Blatt would be looking over his back all the time if they worked together.

The NY media, of course, will simply love this kind of soap opera...another reason why it might not work.

For myself- I would go with Blatt and a defensive guru assistant coach.

I think it's the exact opposite. The reason is that it's a coach on Blatt's staff running the offense, as opposed to player. If Melo did that I think Blatt would pull a reverse Spreewell. But I think he would have no problem running his coaching staff.


It reminds me of Rex Ryan and John Idzic with the Jets, with Idzic being Blatt, Ryan being Rambis, and the relationship which seemed to exist between Ryan and Woody Johnson.

Lines get blurred...guys with a lot of pride come into conflict...nothing good comes from this type of situation, IMO.

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nixluva wrote:As far as I know Blatt is a very knowledgeable offensive mind. Why do some of you think he would need Rambis for that? Lebron was the one who really caused the offense to look the way it did. On the court Lebron was in control of the ball. Blatt wouldn't have run that if he had a team like the Knicks. Rambis was Phil's defensive guru with the Lakers! If anything Blatt might be fine with Rambis taking on that kind of role.

Yup

As I mentioned earlier, I'm pretty sure that Blatt's role with Kerr was going to revolve around the offense end of the game.

The real issue is how Rambis would take the "demotion." I don't think he'll be back if a guy like Blatt is brought on as head coach.

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crzymdups wrote:
martin wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Blatt should work on the defense, Rambis should keep reign on the offense. I'm totally fine with that. Blatt's issues in Cleveland were his offense as well. They didn't have a great set up there. If he's on the same page with Phil with regards to wanting a system and keeping the Triangle, he can assign the offense to Rambis who can stay on as an associate while Blatt focuses on team management, the defense and getting guys in line. He's a tough guy, he will get on you if you don't do your job, and most of all he's honest.

I wouldn't mind a Blatt/Rambis combination.

I'm kind of in this boat.

I wouldn't mind Blatt/Rambis, but I don't think it's fair to blame Blatt for the offense in Cleveland. Too often Lebron looked off what Blatt wanted to do. The offense was a mess because of Lebron. (Of course, Bron is so good that that mess got the Cavs a 2-1 lead in the Finals last year)

With Rambis and Blatt working together to construct a motion offense that has elements of the Triangle... I think it could lead to a really interesting offense, with maybe some wrinkles no one has seen before.

I'd be okay to keep Rambis for some continuity, as long as Blatt was firmly in charge.

My gut feeling is that having both of them could lead to issues.

Blatt is coming from a job where a player usurped his authority...not sure he would want to be in a situation where he shares power with Rambis, especially knowing the favor Rambis holds with Jackson, as both a proponent of the Triangle and as a personal friend.

If Rambis could live with Blatt having the final say in everything, it might work, but I don't think Rambis would agree to such a condition, and knowing Rambis' friendship with Phil, Blatt would be looking over his back all the time if they worked together.

The NY media, of course, will simply love this kind of soap opera...another reason why it might not work.

For myself- I would go with Blatt and a defensive guru assistant coach.

I think it's the exact opposite. The reason is that it's a coach on Blatt's staff running the offense, as opposed to player. If Melo did that I think Blatt would pull a reverse Spreewell. But I think he would have no problem running his coaching staff.


It reminds me of Rex Ryan and John Idzic with the Jets, with Idzic being Blatt, Ryan being Rambis, and the relationship which seemed to exist between Ryan and Woody Johnson.

Lines get blurred...guys with a lot of pride come into conflict...nothing good comes from this type of situation, IMO.

I think it has more to do with whether or not people are honest about the situation and what the approach is. I think if Phil talks to Blatt and the latter is interested in getting mentored by Phil and they guys that were on his staff, I think it could work out. Blatt has already experienced some success and if he was willing to grow I don't see it as a bad thing. I agree that it could be a problem though. I just don't think it would be.

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nixluva wrote:As far as I know Blatt is a very knowledgeable offensive mind. Why do some of you think he would need Rambis for that? Lebron was the one who really caused the offense to look the way it did. On the court Lebron was in control of the ball. Blatt wouldn't have run that if he had a team like the Knicks. Rambis was Phil's defensive guru with the Lakers! If anything Blatt might be fine with Rambis taking on that kind of role.

Yup

As I mentioned earlier, I'm pretty sure that Blatt's role with Kerr was going to revolve around the offense end of the game.

The real issue is how Rambis would take the "demotion." I don't think he'll be back if a guy like Blatt is brought on as head coach.

They straight up fired Blatt because they weren't happy with the offense.

In 41 games under Blatt, Cleveland averaged 105.6 points per 100 possessions, good for fifth in the league this season

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nyknickzingis wrote:Blatt should work on the defense, Rambis should keep reign on the offense. I'm totally fine with that. Blatt's issues in Cleveland were his offense as well. They didn't have a great set up there. If he's on the same page with Phil with regards to wanting a system and keeping the Triangle, he can assign the offense to Rambis who can stay on as an associate while Blatt focuses on team management, the defense and getting guys in line. He's a tough guy, he will get on you if you don't do your job, and most of all he's honest.

I wouldn't mind a Blatt/Rambis combination.

I'm kind of in this boat.

I wouldn't mind Blatt/Rambis, but I don't think it's fair to blame Blatt for the offense in Cleveland. Too often Lebron looked off what Blatt wanted to do. The offense was a mess because of Lebron. (Of course, Bron is so good that that mess got the Cavs a 2-1 lead in the Finals last year)

With Rambis and Blatt working together to construct a motion offense that has elements of the Triangle... I think it could lead to a really interesting offense, with maybe some wrinkles no one has seen before.

I'd be okay to keep Rambis for some continuity, as long as Blatt was firmly in charge.

My gut feeling is that having both of them could lead to issues.

Blatt is coming from a job where a player usurped his authority...not sure he would want to be in a situation where he shares power with Rambis, especially knowing the favor Rambis holds with Jackson, as both a proponent of the Triangle and as a personal friend.

If Rambis could live with Blatt having the final say in everything, it might work, but I don't think Rambis would agree to such a condition, and knowing Rambis' friendship with Phil, Blatt would be looking over his back all the time if they worked together.

The NY media, of course, will simply love this kind of soap opera...another reason why it might not work.

For myself- I would go with Blatt and a defensive guru assistant coach.

Wow, you seem to know these guys pretty well!

Lets just say the when Rambis was given the opportunity to be "Interim" it was not a given he'd be given the job permanently. If he got knicks to the playoffs and they finished real strong perhaps. Do you think this was discussed before he was given the job? If so, would it not be discussed at first?

Phil: Kurt, if you are not named head coach will you want to stay on? Is that going to be a problem? If so, I'll name one of the other guys on the bench.

We don't know his answer do we? Thus, we don't if Kurt will be an issue.
Likewise, Blatt can be told Kurt is on the staff, and if he thinks that's a problem? If so, maybe he don't get hired?
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4/12/2016  11:31 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/12/2016  11:32 AM
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nixluva wrote:As far as I know Blatt is a very knowledgeable offensive mind. Why do some of you think he would need Rambis for that? Lebron was the one who really caused the offense to look the way it did. On the court Lebron was in control of the ball. Blatt wouldn't have run that if he had a team like the Knicks. Rambis was Phil's defensive guru with the Lakers! If anything Blatt might be fine with Rambis taking on that kind of role.

Yup

As I mentioned earlier, I'm pretty sure that Blatt's role with Kerr was going to revolve around the offense end of the game.

The real issue is how Rambis would take the "demotion." I don't think he'll be back if a guy like Blatt is brought on as head coach.

Yeah, Agree. Blatt is supposed to be an offensively gifted mind, versed in the Princeton offense (think Sacramento Kings 2002)

Blatt was buffaloed by Lebron. It was a mistake by Bron, IMHO, as the Cavs don't seem better now than they were before firing Blatt.

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