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With Grant and Wroten... We DO NOT need to sign or trade for a point guard
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anrst
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4/11/2016  4:35 PM
don't see how you can possibly upgrade from grant and wroten
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4/11/2016  4:39 PM
We're not getting either batum or derozan I'm not sure batum would fit well anyway if we have to keep Carmelo
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4/11/2016  5:27 PM
We don't know If Wroten knee will heal. If you pick up Batum fine play him at SF and start Wroten. If he's a no go then go back to Melo at SF and Batum at SG.
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4/11/2016  5:59 PM
Paris907 wrote:We don't know If Wroten knee will heal. If you pick up Batum fine play him at SF and start Wroten. If he's a no go then go back to Melo at SF and Batum at SG.

Wroten's knee is healed as he was actually playing this year. The Knicks concern was that his quad in the surgically repaired leg wasn't built up enough to provide the needed support and power. The rehab time should be good for him and should help reduce the risk of reinjury. I'm more concerned with Wroten's jumper than I am with his Knee.

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4/11/2016  6:23 PM
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crzymdups wrote:I like both Wroten and Grant - if the right SG is out there, I'd be behind this plan.

I question whether Batum is the right size to play SG in this league. Think he might be better at SF.

Charlotte improved a lot when Batum moved to SF and Courtney Lee became their starting SG.

Batum is better at SF....
Melo is better at PF....
Rolo or KP can man the center spot.....

I've never been a huge Batum fan....Not sure what the big fuss is about. But if he's as advertised, he allows Melo to move to his best position as he enters his advanced age.

But PG and SG is more of a need than SF.....

Agree.

As I've said many times before, I'd try my butt off to get Conley. If not Conley, I'd target Brandon Jennings and Courtney Lee.

I also do like Briggs' idea of getting David Lee to be the first big off the bench. How many times this season did our offense tank when KOQ or Seraphin came in for Rolo or KP?

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4/11/2016  6:23 PM
nixluva wrote:
Paris907 wrote:We don't know If Wroten knee will heal. If you pick up Batum fine play him at SF and start Wroten. If he's a no go then go back to Melo at SF and Batum at SG.

Wroten's knee is healed as he was actually playing this year. The Knicks concern was that his quad in the surgically repaired leg wasn't built up enough to provide the needed support and power. The rehab time should be good for him and should help reduce the risk of reinjury. I'm more concerned with Wroten's jumper than I am with his Knee.

His leg - knee, quad - is not healed and that's why he stopped playing.

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4/11/2016  6:37 PM
martin wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Paris907 wrote:We don't know If Wroten knee will heal. If you pick up Batum fine play him at SF and start Wroten. If he's a no go then go back to Melo at SF and Batum at SG.

Wroten's knee is healed as he was actually playing this year. The Knicks concern was that his quad in the surgically repaired leg wasn't built up enough to provide the needed support and power. The rehab time should be good for him and should help reduce the risk of reinjury. I'm more concerned with Wroten's jumper than I am with his Knee.

His leg - knee, quad - is not healed and that's why he stopped playing.


Yeah i think i heard the same that he tried playing but was still having problems with it but it's probably healed by now since he hasn't played since the 76ers cut him which was early in the season.
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martin wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Paris907 wrote:We don't know If Wroten knee will heal. If you pick up Batum fine play him at SF and start Wroten. If he's a no go then go back to Melo at SF and Batum at SG.

Wroten's knee is healed as he was actually playing this year. The Knicks concern was that his quad in the surgically repaired leg wasn't built up enough to provide the needed support and power. The rehab time should be good for him and should help reduce the risk of reinjury. I'm more concerned with Wroten's jumper than I am with his Knee.

His leg - knee, quad - is not healed and that's why he stopped playing.


Yeah i think i heard the same that he tried playing but was still having problems with it but it's probably healed by now since he hasn't played since the 76ers cut him which was early in the season.

There's an interview on the Knicks website where he says he's rehabbing and focusing on making the leg stronger and that he probably came back too soon with the Sixers.

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4/11/2016  7:19 PM
martin wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Paris907 wrote:We don't know If Wroten knee will heal. If you pick up Batum fine play him at SF and start Wroten. If he's a no go then go back to Melo at SF and Batum at SG.

Wroten's knee is healed as he was actually playing this year. The Knicks concern was that his quad in the surgically repaired leg wasn't built up enough to provide the needed support and power. The rehab time should be good for him and should help reduce the risk of reinjury. I'm more concerned with Wroten's jumper than I am with his Knee.

His leg - knee, quad - is not healed and that's why he stopped playing.

Look Wroten played 29 minutes on December 22nd and was waived on December 24th. There was no re-injury of his knee. Wroten was waived due to being ineffective and not because his knee gave out.
The point I'm making is the ACL is healed. What you're talking about is the rehab of the muscles in the leg and not the actual ligament!!! There's a big difference between saying the ACL isn't healed and the Knicks saying the entire leg wasn't sufficiently rehabbed.

The Sixers medical staff would not have let Wroten play if the structural integrity of the knee hadn't reached a safe level. Now it's often the case that it takes much longer for a player to get back to full strength as we saw with MELO. Healed is one thing but rehab is a continual process until you get back to 100% more or less.

Not healed is more like Embid or KD having pain and then another corrective operation. That's not the same thing Wroten was going thru. Wroten was playing and wasn't shut down. It was assumed he could be picked up by another team and ZERO reports of him not being able to play were made at the time. The Knicks decided to be cautious but if you read any comments from Wroten he is not lame or unable to play!

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4/11/2016  7:25 PM
nixluva wrote:
martin wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Paris907 wrote:We don't know If Wroten knee will heal. If you pick up Batum fine play him at SF and start Wroten. If he's a no go then go back to Melo at SF and Batum at SG.

Wroten's knee is healed as he was actually playing this year. The Knicks concern was that his quad in the surgically repaired leg wasn't built up enough to provide the needed support and power. The rehab time should be good for him and should help reduce the risk of reinjury. I'm more concerned with Wroten's jumper than I am with his Knee.

His leg - knee, quad - is not healed and that's why he stopped playing.

Look Wroten played 29 minutes on December 22nd and was waived on December 24th. There was no re-injury of his knee. Wroten was waived due to being ineffective and not because his knee gave out.
The point I'm making is the ACL is healed. What you're talking about is the rehab of the muscles in the leg and not the actual ligament!!! There's a big difference between saying the ACL isn't healed and the Knicks saying the entire leg wasn't sufficiently rehabbed.

The Sixers medical staff would not have let Wroten play if the structural integrity of the knee hadn't reached a safe level. Now it's often the case that it takes much longer for a player to get back to full strength as we saw with MELO. Healed is one thing but rehab is a continual process until you get back to 100% more or less.

Not healed is more like Embid or KD having pain and then another corrective operation. That's not the same thing Wroten was going thru. Wroten was playing and wasn't shut down. It was assumed he could be picked up by another team and ZERO reports of him not being able to play were made at the time. The Knicks decided to be cautious but if you read any comments from Wroten he is not lame or unable to play!

He was waived because they wanted to sign Ish Smith and needed a roster spot and didn't think they'd re-sign Wroten.

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4/11/2016  7:40 PM
crzymdups wrote:
nixluva wrote:
martin wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Paris907 wrote:We don't know If Wroten knee will heal. If you pick up Batum fine play him at SF and start Wroten. If he's a no go then go back to Melo at SF and Batum at SG.

Wroten's knee is healed as he was actually playing this year. The Knicks concern was that his quad in the surgically repaired leg wasn't built up enough to provide the needed support and power. The rehab time should be good for him and should help reduce the risk of reinjury. I'm more concerned with Wroten's jumper than I am with his Knee.

His leg - knee, quad - is not healed and that's why he stopped playing.

Look Wroten played 29 minutes on December 22nd and was waived on December 24th. There was no re-injury of his knee. Wroten was waived due to being ineffective and not because his knee gave out.
The point I'm making is the ACL is healed. What you're talking about is the rehab of the muscles in the leg and not the actual ligament!!! There's a big difference between saying the ACL isn't healed and the Knicks saying the entire leg wasn't sufficiently rehabbed.

The Sixers medical staff would not have let Wroten play if the structural integrity of the knee hadn't reached a safe level. Now it's often the case that it takes much longer for a player to get back to full strength as we saw with MELO. Healed is one thing but rehab is a continual process until you get back to 100% more or less.

Not healed is more like Embid or KD having pain and then another corrective operation. That's not the same thing Wroten was going thru. Wroten was playing and wasn't shut down. It was assumed he could be picked up by another team and ZERO reports of him not being able to play were made at the time. The Knicks decided to be cautious but if you read any comments from Wroten he is not lame or unable to play!

He was waived because they wanted to sign Ish Smith and needed a roster spot and didn't think they'd re-sign Wroten.


Yes and they even tried to trade him. There wasn't any indication of any serious issue that prevented him from being able to play. Not one single report. Teams were open to pick him up. Wroten himself was expecting to get picked up and get back on the court.

The Sixers reportedly offered Wroten to the Pelicans but there was no interest according to Yahoo! Sports' Marc J. Spears.

Releasing Wroten comes as somewhat of a surprise. Wroten was the team's leading scorer last season before suffering a torn ACL. He's only played in eight games so far, most of those on a minutes restriction.

http://www.csnphilly.com/basketball-philadelphia-76ers/sixers-trade-for-point-guard-ish-smith-new-orleans-pelicans-release-tony-wroten

By Keith Pompey, STAFF WRITER
POSTED: December 30, 2015
SALT LAKE CITY - The 76ers took some criticism for releasing Tony Wroten on Christmas Eve. However, that wasn't their intent.

They decided to cut the backup point guard in order to create a roster spot to complete the trade for Ish Smith from the New Orleans Pelicans. They just never intended for it to happen Thursday.

The Sixers wanted to make the trade on Saturday, the day after Christmas. However, the Pelicans pushed to make it happen on Thursday. As a result, Wroten received the bad news Thursday while the Sixers were on the trade call with the Pelicans. The point guard was home in Seattle with family members.

"It was disappointing to part ways with Tony," coach Brett Brown said Saturday. "He had been around me all my days there. It is part of sport. I hope he looks back knowing the coaches gave everything we could. For the most part, I think he did too.

"We wish him well."

Dec 28, 2015 at 5:56p ET
When the 76ers waived Tony Wroten over the weekend, he wasn't able to find an immediate home. None of the few teams in a cap-friendly enough situation to claim Wroten actually did so, and the former Sixers guard passed through waivers and into free agency Saturday evening.

Still without a home, Wroten is trying to find a new team to sign him. It looks like the Nets won't be that team, so says Fred Kerber of the New York Post:

A league source said Nets have no interest in guard Tony Wroten, who was waived by Sixers on Thursday and cleared waivers Saturday. Wroten had 29 turnovers versus 20 assists for the Sixers in eight games.

Wroten, whose season ended last year after he sustained an ACL injury, has only played in eight games this season, watching both his production and playing time fall from a year ago, when he averaged 16.9 points per game pre-injury. This year, he's shooting just 34 percent from the field, but it takes a while to come back, both physically and mentality, from an injury as serious as one to the ACL.

He's only 22 years old. He's an athletic guard. Those two traits are ones the Nets could use—youth and athleticism—but Brooklyn's roster is already full with 15 guys. The Nets would need to cut someone to make room, and that seems unlikely. So, Wroten likely won't come to Brooklyn. No need to keep worrying about that one.

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4/11/2016  7:48 PM
Neither is good enough to carry a ballgame down the stretch. Which is why we lose 15 games more than the talent up front should allow us to. We have enough to stay with many good teams, even get leads, but then just can't maintain it once the defenses adjust and challenge our guards.

Wroten and Grant are a great start, but they won't be enough. We need at minimum one starter who can give a team 15 points from the backcourt. If we don't get some scoring from the backcourt, some pressure from there, teams will just continue to do what they did all season. Load up on Melo, load up on our bigs and leave the guards open knowing they can't hurt you off drives or shoot all that well. The other thing is passing, setting up a teammate like Melo or KP or RoLo, neither Wroten or Grant are good at reading a defense on a consistent basis and making those passes. Our best set up guy remains Jose.

We need a core player, a 32 minutes or more type of player, who plays the guard role at a high level. It's still going to be Jose who is the best decision maker with the ball if we keep this same backcourt. Need at least one starter level free agent.

With Grant and Wroten... We DO NOT need to sign or trade for a point guard

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