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ChuckBuck
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4/11/2016  1:30 PM
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nixluva wrote:This is a good thing for Jerian going into the summer. We're gonna have a pretty good batch of young players in development this summer, with KP, Jerian, Gallo, Wroten, Willy, Early etc. getting together and hopefully supporting each other this summer.

I love that Grant is working on his floater which is something i've been saying all year that every point guard should have. A good floater can change his game for the better while he's working on getting better with his outside shot.

The thing is Grant already had the full package coming into the league. He has a vicious floater. He had a hard time with confidence and the speed and physicality of the game. This is the Grant that should have stolen the starting spot out of training camp.

How could Grant have stolen the starting spot when he was too busy learning triangle concepts from a coach that barely wanted to run it and was too busy chasing big'uns instead of developing his young'uns?

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4/11/2016  1:41 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:Should've been Jerian Grant in October, November, December, January, February, March.

Let rooks be rooks if you're "rebuilding". No way Jose should've started as many games as he did.

Points directly to the coaching staff, because grant looks like he did in summer league and preseason.

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4/11/2016  1:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/11/2016  1:46 PM
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ChuckBuck wrote:Should've been Jerian Grant in October, November, December, January, February, March.

Let rooks be rooks if you're "rebuilding". No way Jose should've started as many games as he did.

Points directly to the coaching staff, because grant looks like he did in summer league and preseason.

Exactly. The coaches(Fisher and Rambis) stifled growth of the yoots with exception to KP, because they wanted to squeeze more unnecessary wins out of Jose/Sasha for some reason. You try to win with Vets, you rebuild with youths. This is the disjointed "rebuild" I'm talking about. Jose should've been a sage veteran backup to the guards like KG is to KAT. Who cares if Jerian deserved to play or not, let him phucking learn! Jerian Grant just learned how to do floaters and step back J's in April?!!???

I've seen this shyt during the March Madness 2015 tournament!!!!!!

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4/11/2016  2:52 PM
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ChuckBuck wrote:Should've been Jerian Grant in October, November, December, January, February, March.

Let rooks be rooks if you're "rebuilding". No way Jose should've started as many games as he did.

Points directly to the coaching staff, because grant looks like he did in summer league and preseason.

Exactly. The coaches(Fisher and Rambis) stifled growth of the yoots with exception to KP, because they wanted to squeeze more unnecessary wins out of Jose/Sasha for some reason. You try to win with Vets, you rebuild with youths. This is the disjointed "rebuild" I'm talking about. Jose should've been a sage veteran backup to the guards like KG is to KAT. Who cares if Jerian deserved to play or not, let him phucking learn! Jerian Grant just learned how to do floaters and step back J's in April?!!???

I've seen this shyt during the March Madness 2015 tournament!!!!!!

the thing that is now super evident, FISHER want dwill and grant in the rotation, and Rambis and phil want calderon and Mr triangle Sasha.


This basically tells me that any coach coming in, won't be allowed to run anything but the triangle

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4/11/2016  3:16 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Should've been Jerian Grant in October, November, December, January, February, March.

Let rooks be rooks if you're "rebuilding". No way Jose should've started as many games as he did.

Points directly to the coaching staff, because grant looks like he did in summer league and preseason.

Huh? No way - he looks much better now.

He's developed. It may not have been how we wanted it to happen, but he is being developed.

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4/11/2016  4:16 PM
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knicks1248 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Should've been Jerian Grant in October, November, December, January, February, March.

Let rooks be rooks if you're "rebuilding". No way Jose should've started as many games as he did.

Points directly to the coaching staff, because grant looks like he did in summer league and preseason.

Huh? No way - he looks much better now.

He's developed. It may not have been how we wanted it to happen, but he is being developed.

he looks much better with playing time and not looking over his shoulder after every whistle

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4/11/2016  4:25 PM
stop the presses 3.2apg in games that dont even matter? wow i am impressed!
Nixluva is posting triangle screen grabs, even when nobody asks - Fishmike. LOL So are we going to reference that thread like the bible now? "The thread of Wroten Page 14 post 9" - EnySpree
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4/11/2016  4:33 PM
The full package would include being able to shoot and he clearly doesn't have that yet but he's working hard and getting better. They were saying something about when he used to shoot he woul;d throw his body forward and now they're trying to get him to learn how to throw his body back when he shoots and it seems to be working. I love how humble he is to which is something you don't find too much in point guards.
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4/11/2016  4:34 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:The full package would include being able to shoot and he clearly doesn't have that yet but he's working hard and getting better. They were saying something about when he used to shoot he woul;d throw his body forward and now they're trying to get him to learn how to throw his body back when he shoots and it seems to be working. I love how humble he is to which is something you don't find too much in point guards.

you mean like toney douglas who didn't amount to much? backup right? how humble he is...he doesn't have a choice!

Nixluva is posting triangle screen grabs, even when nobody asks - Fishmike. LOL So are we going to reference that thread like the bible now? "The thread of Wroten Page 14 post 9" - EnySpree
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4/11/2016  4:40 PM
Cartman718 wrote:stop the presses 3.2apg in games that dont even matter? wow i am impressed!

Hahaha i think people are getting waaayyyyyy to far ahead of themselves after Grant put in a few good games but has still been making plenty of mistakes in all of those games. We all love that he's FINALLY getting plenty of playing time but this kid still has a long way to go so lets not get too far ahead of ourselves after a few good games. This is why i think we should sign a guard like J.Crawford cause he'll sign with us on a 1 or 2 year deal which should be just enough time to get Grant where he really needs to be and he can learn under Crawford for a year or two.

Pump the brakes a little on Grant being ready to break out though guys because he's not even close to being ready for that yet.

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4/11/2016  4:42 PM
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newyorker4ever wrote:The full package would include being able to shoot and he clearly doesn't have that yet but he's working hard and getting better. They were saying something about when he used to shoot he woul;d throw his body forward and now they're trying to get him to learn how to throw his body back when he shoots and it seems to be working. I love how humble he is to which is something you don't find too much in point guards.

you mean like toney douglas who didn't amount to much? backup right? how humble he is...he doesn't have a choice!

No i don't mean like Tony Douglas but if that's what you think then that's good for you.

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4/11/2016  7:36 PM
grant has looked better but that is still in the awful zone. His decision making is weak at best. His footsteps are small and weird as if he is a slow center running down the court. He has to be one of the worst guards in the league when it comes to understanding how to use a pick. He misses it every time and has no idea how to lead his defender into it. He also starts his move before the picker gets set. He is still way too timid with his shot as if his confidence is shot.

His drives are nice but also out of control and injury prone, unless he can add a respectable shot to draw out the defense which will create more room for him in the lane.

Still see very little pure PG type passes from him.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/11/2016  7:43 PM
Love that both Porzingis and Grant has shown some development this year. That's what we need in a re-build year like this. Good draft we had in 2015. Shame Phil got screwed out of getting another shot at picking up someone this year.
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4/11/2016  7:50 PM
nyknickzingis wrote:Love that both Porzingis and Grant has shown some development this year. That's what we need in a re-build year like this. Good draft we had in 2015. Shame Phil got screwed out of getting another shot at picking up someone this year.
If Hernangomez ends up as a rotation big and Grant becomes a starter Phil did fantastic in the draft. I have been really encouraged by Grant's play recently. As Chuck pointed out, he looks like he did in the tournament last year.
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4/11/2016  7:54 PM
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nyknickzingis wrote:Love that both Porzingis and Grant has shown some development this year. That's what we need in a re-build year like this. Good draft we had in 2015. Shame Phil got screwed out of getting another shot at picking up someone this year.
If Hernangomez ends up as a rotation big and Grant becomes a starter Phil did fantastic in the draft. I have been really encouraged by Grant's play recently. As Chuck pointed out, he looks like he did in the tournament last year.

He was brought along slowly for the right reasons. His decision making is still not good. He's probably never going to be a careful/great decision maker with his passes, but he can be a very effective combo type guard. I always likened him to Patrick Beverly type in Houston. A little bigger so Grant can truly play either 2 or 1. He must keep working on his shot.

We definitely need a starter through free agency. Either at 2 or 1.

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4/11/2016  8:40 PM
mreinman wrote:grant has looked better but that is still in the awful zone. His decision making is weak at best. His footsteps are small and weird as if he is a slow center running down the court. He has to be one of the worst guards in the league when it comes to understanding how to use a pick. He misses it every time and has no idea how to lead his defender into it. He also starts his move before the picker gets set. He is still way too timid with his shot as if his confidence is shot.

His drives are nice but also out of control and injury prone, unless he can add a respectable shot to draw out the defense which will create more room for him in the lane.

Still see very little pure PG type passes from him.

are you watching the games Grant is actually playing in or just some footage of the bad highlights he had at the beginning half of season? Cause it seems like a lot of folks are seeing some obvious stuff you are missing.

For me, you just described Gallo when he has tried to play the point.

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4/11/2016  10:01 PM
Galloway isn't a lost cause. Should just stick to spot ups and bringing the ball up the court to initiate the offense. Less trying to create his own shot or pushing the ball on his own accord. If he's willing to sign on a Kyle O'Quinn type of deal, I'm still interested in giving him another season or two to improve as a player. His jumpshot can be very good at times, he needs to stick with being that type of outside shooter who can occasionally drive, vs trying to be a point guard. What I like about Gallo is his defense. He has at times shown a very good tenacity to bother players with his long arms as a help defender. I don't think he quite gets how to do the same as a man defender, yet. Worth a 2-3 M$ a year type of deal.
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4/11/2016  10:25 PM
nyknickzingis wrote:Galloway isn't a lost cause. Should just stick to spot ups and bringing the ball up the court to initiate the offense. Less trying to create his own shot or pushing the ball on his own accord. If he's willing to sign on a Kyle O'Quinn type of deal, I'm still interested in giving him another season or two to improve as a player. His jumpshot can be very good at times, he needs to stick with being that type of outside shooter who can occasionally drive, vs trying to be a point guard. What I like about Gallo is his defense. He has at times shown a very good tenacity to bother players with his long arms as a help defender. I don't think he quite gets how to do the same as a man defender, yet. Worth a 2-3 M$ a year type of deal.

Over the arc of the year and from year to year I like to see some change from the rookies. They should be learners. Gallo same to me as last year, with not good shooting.

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4/12/2016  12:42 AM
martin wrote:
mreinman wrote:grant has looked better but that is still in the awful zone. His decision making is weak at best. His footsteps are small and weird as if he is a slow center running down the court. He has to be one of the worst guards in the league when it comes to understanding how to use a pick. He misses it every time and has no idea how to lead his defender into it. He also starts his move before the picker gets set. He is still way too timid with his shot as if his confidence is shot.

His drives are nice but also out of control and injury prone, unless he can add a respectable shot to draw out the defense which will create more room for him in the lane.

Still see very little pure PG type passes from him.

are you watching the games Grant is actually playing in or just some footage of the bad highlights he had at the beginning half of season? Cause it seems like a lot of folks are seeing some obvious stuff you are missing.

For me, you just described Gallo when he has tried to play the point.

I watched the last couple of games. His drives to the basket are good as I stated though a bit scary. His use of picks is as bad as it gets. His passing and IQ seems under average for a top PG out of school especially one who can't shoot.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/12/2016  8:39 AM
The other night Clyde was relating to his own rookie experience and "when the light bulb went off" and he could start seeing everything before it happened. He was then saying that he thinks Grant finally had that moment

I like what I'm seeing and hope Clyde is right. Keeping in mind the caution of these being meaningless games for the knicks, they are not necessarily so for the opposition.

Hoping for continued growth especially because FA pg this year are slim pickings at best

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