Vmart wrote:I don't think Wroten will beat out Grant.

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don't think Wroten will beat out Grant.

I agree.. and that's a compliment to Grant, not a knock on Wroten

It's actually possible they could play together. I think Wroten has more physical talent but his Shooting would have to improve by leaps and bounds. In terms of his ability to get to the rim Wroten is even better than Jerian in that regard. Wroten has a high upside if he can put it all together. I think there's just a tendency to underrate Wroten since he's been out of sight for so long. If he can get his conditioning up above even his previous level this could be a very good cheap signing.

Malcolm wrote:

nixluva wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don't think Wroten will beat out Grant.

I agree.. and that's a compliment to Grant, not a knock on Wroten

It's actually possible they could play together.

What Vujacic successfully replacing Afflalo should reiterate to all of us . . . is that experience in the Triangle matters an awful lot.

Wroten is useless next year.

I haven't been a Grant admirer . . . but I'm glad to be wrong if he's finally getting the idea of the Triangle after a full year.

Took Shved no time at all to pick up the Triangle and start performing well. Sometimes have to put a player in a role and see how he responds. Wroten will have a pretty clear role and one that is much simpler than what a pure PG is usually expected to handle. You don't have to be Jason Kidd in the Triangle.

callmened wrote:lets give Svhed credit though. he probably is a smart guy due to playing overseas. Wroten does NOT have that type of background. we shall see what happens; i hope for the best

Shved was a smart guy but that isn't what was thought of him before he showed what he could do in the Triangle. People thought I was off base when I suggested Shved would be good in this system. Very few thought he would amount to much back when we got Shved.

Wroten's younger and has a lot to learn. He's got to get his jumper and FT shooting improved. He'll have a chance to get a feel for the offense this summer. It will be very interesting.

callmened wrote:

nixluva wrote:

callmened wrote:lets give Svhed credit though. he probably is a smart guy due to playing overseas. Wroten does NOT have that type of background. we shall see what happens; i hope for the best

Shved was a smart guy but that isn't what was thought of him before he showed what he could do in the Triangle. People thought I was off base when I suggested Shved would be good in this system. Very few thought he would amount to much back when we got Shved.

Wroten's younger and has a lot to learn. He's got to get his jumper and FT shooting improved. He'll have a chance to get a feel for the offense this summer. It will be very interesting.

i was one of them (who was skeptical). i thought shved was awful in 2 yrs of minny. but yes he played well in the triangle his problem is hes made out of paper bones. it doesnt surprise me that he picked up the triangle. overseas they run alot of motion offenses

but back to wroten...he was really a dumb dumb player who played out of control. im skeptical of an out of control kid who cant shoot joining an offense that requires brains and timing. i hope im wrong again

Also Wroten is going to be in the same role as Shved which is an attack role. Coming off Dribble Handoffs, Drag Screens, Pinch Post 2 Man Action. The side of the floor where he'll be operating is wide open for a guard that can attack like Wroten or Shved. It's not rocket science. Pinch Post is pretty close to PnR basketball. It's just you and a Post Player on one side of the floor and the other players bunched up in the Triangle on the other side of the floor. The only thing the guard is concerned with his his 2 man action and then as he drives he can see his teammates that are in the Triangle side. 2 behind the 3pt line and a big. If the big's defender helps you have a dump off. If someone else tries to help off the perimeter you have options at the 3pt line.

Here's an example of the kind of read Wroten will have in the attack role.

Here we have a standard Side Triangle.

Shved is drawing attention from the defense and he can clearly see his teammates as he's driving. If the defenders converge on him as he goes to the basket he will have passing options to open teammates. On this occasion Gallo is open and Shved hits him.

I think Wroten is perfectly capable of this kind of role. The reads are actually simplified. If the defense doesn't help you attack. If they do you can pass or reverse and turn it into a PnR.

callmened wrote:theres no doubt wroten (and anyone really) can thrive in this triangle offense. the real question is how long hell take to learn it. to be honest thats kinda why im happy he has a LONGER time to learn the triangle. i dont know his IQ or the IQ requirements for the triangle but based on his play his play in the past, i question his basketball IQ.

again, its not his mind or the offense...my concern is his physical ability..thats all

Wroten wasn't exactly in the best situations and he was very young. No mentor and a bad young team. Still he was his team's leading scorer. This could be a much better place for him to develop.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

callmened wrote:theres no doubt wroten (and anyone really) can thrive in this triangle offense. the real question is how long hell take to learn it. to be honest thats kinda why im happy he has a LONGER time to learn the triangle. i dont know his IQ or the IQ requirements for the triangle but based on his play his play in the past, i question his basketball IQ.

again, its not his mind or the offense...my concern is his physical ability..thats all

Wroten wasn't exactly in the best situations and he was very young. No mentor and a bad young team. Still he was his team's leading scorer. This could be a much better place for him to develop.

boy you are investing lots of time into this kid. I hope that you are not wasting your time.

How could it be a waste of time to simply talk about a prospect? All the real work is up to Wroten and the Knicks staff. Wroten is the one that has to rehab and work on his shooting. I'm just pointing out how he can be successful but it's up to him to actually take advantage of the opportunity. This is no different than any young player.

Wroten has all the physical talent he needs but has to learn how to be effective without relying solely on athletic ability. Mastering The simple things and thinking game will be key. He hopefully has been watching and absorbing info at practice and games.