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nixluva
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4/8/2016  10:45 PM
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WaltLongmire wrote:Hope he goes to some kind of jump shooting academy... his long and midrange jump shooting has been more than suspect- its been criminal.

Also hope that athleticism is still there and he fully recovers.

Like the confidence, and I hope I'm wrong, but he really has show consistency with his shot, or guys around here are going to be screaming.

He's under a "prove yourself" type contract and we aren't paying him much, so I'm not that concerned.

Please prove me wrong, Mr. Wroten.

and that's on offense-- his defense has been well below the league average at the position as well. a knee injury sure doesn't help lateral movement.


Wroten is a good defender.

no he isn't and dollars to donuts you thought afflalo was a good defender too, amiright?

Wroten has the raw physical talent to be a good defender. He's got great recovery speed and fast twitch muscles. He needs to learn how to play team defense but if he can pick up the Knicks schemes he should be a major upgrade on the perimeter.

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4/8/2016  11:10 PM
dk7th wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
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WaltLongmire wrote:Hope he goes to some kind of jump shooting academy... his long and midrange jump shooting has been more than suspect- its been criminal.

Also hope that athleticism is still there and he fully recovers.

Like the confidence, and I hope I'm wrong, but he really has show consistency with his shot, or guys around here are going to be screaming.

He's under a "prove yourself" type contract and we aren't paying him much, so I'm not that concerned.

Please prove me wrong, Mr. Wroten.

and that's on offense-- his defense has been well below the league average at the position as well. a knee injury sure doesn't help lateral movement.


Wroten is a good defender.

no he isn't and dollars to donuts you thought afflalo was a good defender too, amiright?

I literally don't know too many people that watched Philly and maybe his 1 year 35 games in Memphis. How could you tell? Did you watch Wroten that much?

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4/9/2016  2:50 AM
call me crazy but yes i actuslly watched alotof philly bball the last few yrs

- used to be one of the most athletic player...in the NBA
- cant shoot or go right
- lazy on defense but talent was there
- extremely undisciplined
- turnover machine

Overall = just think of AND1 mixtapes over intelligent basketball. i think the triangle will help discipline him. my only concern with him is whats left of his physical ability

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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4/9/2016  4:25 AM
callmened wrote:call me crazy but yes i actuslly watched alotof philly bball the last few yrs

- used to be one of the most athletic player...in the NBA
- cant shoot or go right
- lazy on defense but talent was there
- extremely undisciplined
- turnover machine

Overall = just think of AND1 mixtapes over intelligent basketball. i think the triangle will help discipline him. my only concern with him is whats left of his physical ability

I wonder why players like him do not commit themselves to the defensive side of the ball. Wroten is still young so he may well just do that but if I was him I would try to turn myself into a legit defensive stopper in order to stay in this league.

Honestly, he is the kind of player Thibs could turn into a decent player. As the Bulls coach it seemed like that got a vet min journeyman PG every year and they helped the bulls. Too bad Thibs isn't as good of a communicator like Rambis is.

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4/9/2016  5:22 AM
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callmened wrote:call me crazy but yes i actuslly watched alotof philly bball the last few yrs

- used to be one of the most athletic player...in the NBA
- cant shoot or go right
- lazy on defense but talent was there
- extremely undisciplined
- turnover machine

Overall = just think of AND1 mixtapes over intelligent basketball. i think the triangle will help discipline him. my only concern with him is whats left of his physical ability

I wonder why players like him do not commit themselves to the defensive side of the ball. Wroten is still young so he may well just do that but if I was him I would try to turn myself into a legit defensive stopper in order to stay in this league.

Honestly, he is the kind of player Thibs could turn into a decent player. As the Bulls coach it seemed like that got a vet min journeyman PG every year and they helped the bulls. Too bad Thibs isn't as good of a communicator like Rambis is.

If Wroten didn't get hurt the Knicks wouldn't have a shot at him. He would still be on Philly on multi year deal.

As far as Thibbs. He didn't have the golden touch. Nate Robinson, Aaron brooks, Hinric? All those guys saved him because they all are good players. Thibbs didn't make them good players.

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4/9/2016  5:38 AM
Action is bigger than words. Please show us Wroten then.

Afflalo was confident enough to say this team is a playoff team, but since then we know what happened.

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4/9/2016  5:40 AM
callmened wrote:call me crazy but yes i actuslly watched alotof philly bball the last few yrs

- used to be one of the most athletic player...in the NBA
- cant shoot or go right
- lazy on defense but talent was there
- extremely undisciplined
- turnover machine

Overall = just think of AND1 mixtapes over intelligent basketball. i think the triangle will help discipline him. my only concern with him is whats left of his physical ability

I second that. During the Hinkie's era, Wroten was once the go-to-guy. But he never win them many games.

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4/9/2016  11:12 AM
He doesn't have much competition right now. Grant even hitting that shot didn't want the ball.
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4/9/2016  11:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/9/2016  11:40 AM
dk7th wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
dk7th wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Hope he goes to some kind of jump shooting academy... his long and midrange jump shooting has been more than suspect- its been criminal.

Also hope that athleticism is still there and he fully recovers.

Like the confidence, and I hope I'm wrong, but he really has show consistency with his shot, or guys around here are going to be screaming.

He's under a "prove yourself" type contract and we aren't paying him much, so I'm not that concerned.

Please prove me wrong, Mr. Wroten.

and that's on offense-- his defense has been well below the league average at the position as well. a knee injury sure doesn't help lateral movement.


Wroten is a good defender.

no he isn't and dollars to donuts you thought afflalo was a good defender too, amiright?


I don't remember ever talking about Afflalo being a good defender but when we signed him, him being a good defender was talked about, but either way what does that have to do with you being wrong about Wroten not being a good defender?? I think he's a good one on one defender but will need to get better at team defense and i think the triangle will help him get away from the way he was playing when he was with the 76ers cause he was basically playing like Ish Smith is playing for them now and that don't work in the triangle.
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4/9/2016  11:36 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:
callmened wrote:call me crazy but yes i actuslly watched alotof philly bball the last few yrs

- used to be one of the most athletic player...in the NBA
- cant shoot or go right
- lazy on defense but talent was there
- extremely undisciplined
- turnover machine

Overall = just think of AND1 mixtapes over intelligent basketball. i think the triangle will help discipline him. my only concern with him is whats left of his physical ability

I wonder why players like him do not commit themselves to the defensive side of the ball. Wroten is still young so he may well just do that but if I was him I would try to turn myself into a legit defensive stopper in order to stay in this league.

Honestly, he is the kind of player Thibs could turn into a decent player. As the Bulls coach it seemed like that got a vet min journeyman PG every year and they helped the bulls. Too bad Thibs isn't as good of a communicator like Rambis is.


Yeah i'm with you on some of these kids needing to commit to being good defenders and i put C.Early in that group cause that's what he needs to focus on and he needs to do it right away cause his offensive game needs a ton of work.
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4/9/2016  10:13 PM
the fact that the only young guy we have (other thank KP) who we don't know yet that they officially suck is Wroten. That says a lot about how bright our future is and how bright our future assets look.
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/9/2016  10:26 PM
mreinman wrote:the fact that the only young guy we have (other thank KP) who we don't know yet that they officially suck is Wroten. That says a lot about how bright our future is and how bright our future assets look.

We got Gallo for nothing and he's getting close to being an average NBA performer. His Win Share 48 is .080 which is an improvement over his rookie year at .043! He's getting better and looks like he can be a reliable rotation player.

Jerian is showing signs of improvement which bodes well for next year. DWILL at only 24 is also a developing player. I suspect they'll try to bring him back.

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4/9/2016  10:37 PM
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:the fact that the only young guy we have (other thank KP) who we don't know yet that they officially suck is Wroten. That says a lot about how bright our future is and how bright our future assets look.

We got Gallo for nothing and he's getting close to being an average NBA performer. His Win Share 48 is .080 which is an improvement over his rookie year at .043! He's getting better and looks like he can be a reliable rotation player.

Jerian is showing signs of improvement which bodes well for next year. DWILL at only 24 is also a developing player. I suspect they'll try to bring him back.

I would like them to bring Dwil back at the right price. Gallo is terrible and has to go and I expect he is gone. Jerian can't shoot and MOST players do not recover from that.

Tony Wroten has very little chance of making this rotation. We have no picks this year.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/9/2016  10:52 PM
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:the fact that the only young guy we have (other thank KP) who we don't know yet that they officially suck is Wroten. That says a lot about how bright our future is and how bright our future assets look.

We got Gallo for nothing and he's getting close to being an average NBA performer. His Win Share 48 is .080 which is an improvement over his rookie year at .043! He's getting better and looks like he can be a reliable rotation player.

Jerian is showing signs of improvement which bodes well for next year. DWILL at only 24 is also a developing player. I suspect they'll try to bring him back.

I would like them to bring Dwil back at the right price. Gallo is terrible and has to go and I expect he is gone. Jerian can't shoot and MOST players do not recover from that.

Tony Wroten has very little chance of making this rotation. We have no picks this year.

Grant is shooting a lot better in his 4 starts. He is just under 50% and is 4/11 from 3. I agree that he needs to improve his shot but he has a fantastic work ethic.
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4/9/2016  10:55 PM
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:the fact that the only young guy we have (other thank KP) who we don't know yet that they officially suck is Wroten. That says a lot about how bright our future is and how bright our future assets look.

We got Gallo for nothing and he's getting close to being an average NBA performer. His Win Share 48 is .080 which is an improvement over his rookie year at .043! He's getting better and looks like he can be a reliable rotation player.

Jerian is showing signs of improvement which bodes well for next year. DWILL at only 24 is also a developing player. I suspect they'll try to bring him back.

I would like them to bring Dwil back at the right price. Gallo is terrible and has to go and I expect he is gone. Jerian can't shoot and MOST players do not recover from that.

Tony Wroten has very little chance of making this rotation. We have no picks this year.

This is from Berman and it is an unnamed source but I think it is exciting if it is accurate.
Jackson needs a lucky break. A healthy Wroten next season could be just that.
According to a source, the Sixers like Wroten as an on-ball defender and character teammate but decided they needed a healthy body (they signed Ish Smith) when they waived Wroten. They also were uncertain with all their upcoming draft picks if they would have room to re-sign him.
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4/9/2016  11:00 PM
theres no question...if wroten is healthy and back to his former athleticism then hecan be a real upgrade
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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4/9/2016  11:01 PM
callmened wrote:theres no question...if wroten is healthy and back to his former athleticism then hecan be a real upgrade

what are you basing that on? that the bar is so low or that wroten will be good?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/9/2016  11:08 PM
i was simply trying to say that im sure the sixers had positive things to say about wroten. but they ultimately parted ways cuz of his health. therefore if his health is back then he could be an asset
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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4/9/2016  11:09 PM
callmened wrote:i was simply trying to say that im sure the sixers had positive things to say about wroten. but they ultimately parted ways cuz of his health. therefore if his health is back then he could be an asset

he could be an asset but the is only a tiny chance that it will happen.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/9/2016  11:11 PM
mreinman wrote:
callmened wrote:i was simply trying to say that im sure the sixers had positive things to say about wroten. but they ultimately parted ways cuz of his health. therefore if his health is back then he could be an asset

he could be an asset but the is only a tiny chance that it will happen.


Is that because you don't think he will recover?
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Wroten says he'll be our starting PG next year.

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