nyknickzingis wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Melo loved Mike Woodson. Result? One good year, and the next year lottery.

To be fair the next year Tyson missed half the season and they had traded for Bargnani and lost Kidd. The team was old and imploded. To blame Melo is something only an ignorant person on the internet... oh, I see... carry on.

Melo's basketball decision making means someone like Winslow, Mudiay or the pick is traded for a veteran instead of Porzingis. He didn't want NY to draft Porzingis. This is someone you want to trust to pick coaches?

Teams that let the inmates run the asylum rarely if ever succeed.

Letting him communicate input on the decision and letting him make the decision are two different things.

He's clearly stated what he wants. Knicks to go after Rondo. Go after Thibs. It's no surprise or big secret what he would want. Just like it wasn't a surprise last year when he wanted someone other than Porzingis drafted. I thought Porzingis playing the way he did would shut people up on pushing Melo's agenda, but I guess not. Melo is in it for Melo. He could careless about the longterm growth of the franchise. He would love nothing more than to win 45-50 games on teams well over the cap with veteran players on max deals in decline. Whatever one wants to say about Phil, he's not looking to screw up the longterm for short term gain.

Blah blah blah Porzingis. Great point. So he favored some other picks because KP was more of unknown. How dare he! Cuz everybody else in New York wanted KP? Boo hop. And "Agenda"? You make no sense. Making **** up to piss yourself off. You clearly have not seen a game this year. Passing way up. Getting others involved. And mentoring your boy. You and Chuck should get a room. Lmao

One the court, melo is playing well. If the game does not come to him he often does not force it. So be it and the team does not win anyway. His stats are down, but he is also not playing for a contract. Remember, when you negotiate, teams throw the stats in your face. Its a two way business.

melo has taken GodZingis under his wing from day one.

some of the fiction is a bit much.

arkrud wrote:Melo already had a big participation in firing coaches so why not to participate in hiring once in a while?

True. He's already mastered insubordination, he's trying to work on his other soft skills.

nyknickzingis wrote:I don't quite get why he is some great insight as to how to win a championship or how to build a team, or how to coach.

On the other hand you have Phil Jackson who won a ring as a player (for the Knicks) coach (For 3 different type of teams) and we're going to side with Melo because we hate the Triangle?

That's fine. Just realize the very Knicks thing to do would be remove Phil Jackson and cater to Melo, hire whomever Melo wants and to go all out and spend the capspace on an overpaid veteran point guard who will decline because his best years are behind him. The way things are right now, the Knicks actually have a future. Let it be. Be patient, stay the course, and by 2017-18 season the Knicks will be one of the top 10 healthiest franchises in the league. They've positioned themselves well for the future. Do not go for quick immediate fixes. They've tried winning with Melo in his prime - with players like Chandler, Amare, JR Smith, Lin, Felton, Kidd can go on and on - and it just never led to a championship. Be patient, let things develop and sign the best free agents or bargains. If you start listening to players like Melo (nothing against him personally, but his objective would be to win as many games in a short term basis) you're going to repeat the same mistakes of the past.

I totally agree with you Melo's vision doesn't translate to championships he is look for a quick fix and this team has been down that road way to often and it has backfired again and again. I have nothing against Melo I think he a good player. But he has no business in choosing the next coach or any coach or recruiting players.

I have way more faith in Phil in building a championship caliber team than Melo. The man has 13 titles. His vision has more planning than a short sighted player who is looking for instant gratification in his latter years, the funny thing is he can have that else where just by waiving his NTC.

Vmart wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:I don't quite get why he is some great insight as to how to win a championship or how to build a team, or how to coach.

On the other hand you have Phil Jackson who won a ring as a player (for the Knicks) coach (For 3 different type of teams) and we're going to side with Melo because we hate the Triangle?

That's fine. Just realize the very Knicks thing to do would be remove Phil Jackson and cater to Melo, hire whomever Melo wants and to go all out and spend the capspace on an overpaid veteran point guard who will decline because his best years are behind him. The way things are right now, the Knicks actually have a future. Let it be. Be patient, stay the course, and by 2017-18 season the Knicks will be one of the top 10 healthiest franchises in the league. They've positioned themselves well for the future. Do not go for quick immediate fixes. They've tried winning with Melo in his prime - with players like Chandler, Amare, JR Smith, Lin, Felton, Kidd can go on and on - and it just never led to a championship. Be patient, let things develop and sign the best free agents or bargains. If you start listening to players like Melo (nothing against him personally, but his objective would be to win as many games in a short term basis) you're going to repeat the same mistakes of the past.

I totally agree with you Melo's vision doesn't translate to championships he is look for a quick fix and this team has been down that road way to often and it has backfired again and again. I have nothing against Melo I think he a good player. But he has no business in choosing the next coach or any coach or recruiting players.

I have way more faith in Phil in building a championship caliber team than Melo. The man has 13 titles. His vision has more planning than a short sighted player who is looking for instant gratification in his latter years, the funny thing is he can have that else where just by waiving his NTC.

am I reading this wrong, but where does it say Melo wants to choose?

I read this as he wants input. And I think that is fair for any player in the NBA to have input. Doesn't mean it has to be listened to or weighed heavily.

Vmart wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:I don't quite get why he is some great insight as to how to win a championship or how to build a team, or how to coach.

On the other hand you have Phil Jackson who won a ring as a player (for the Knicks) coach (For 3 different type of teams) and we're going to side with Melo because we hate the Triangle?

That's fine. Just realize the very Knicks thing to do would be remove Phil Jackson and cater to Melo, hire whomever Melo wants and to go all out and spend the capspace on an overpaid veteran point guard who will decline because his best years are behind him. The way things are right now, the Knicks actually have a future. Let it be. Be patient, stay the course, and by 2017-18 season the Knicks will be one of the top 10 healthiest franchises in the league. They've positioned themselves well for the future. Do not go for quick immediate fixes. They've tried winning with Melo in his prime - with players like Chandler, Amare, JR Smith, Lin, Felton, Kidd can go on and on - and it just never led to a championship. Be patient, let things develop and sign the best free agents or bargains. If you start listening to players like Melo (nothing against him personally, but his objective would be to win as many games in a short term basis) you're going to repeat the same mistakes of the past.

I totally agree with you Melo's vision doesn't translate to championships he is look for a quick fix and this team has been down that road way to often and it has backfired again and again. I have nothing against Melo I think he a good player. But he has no business in choosing the next coach or any coach or recruiting players.

I have way more faith in Phil in building a championship caliber team than Melo. The man has 13 titles. His vision has more planning than a short sighted player who is looking for instant gratification in his latter years, the funny thing is he can have that else where just by waiving his NTC.

am I reading this wrong, but where does it say Melo wants to choose?

I read this as he wants input. And I think that is fair for any player in the NBA to have input. Doesn't mean it has to be listened to or weighed heavily.

I read it as a say in coaching. Input would mean I think you should choose this guy. A say would be take this guy.

ChuckBuck wrote:

arkrud wrote:Melo already had a big participation in firing coaches so why not to participate in hiring once in a while?

True. He's already mastered insubordination, he's trying to work on his other soft skills.

ChuckBuck wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

arkrud wrote:Melo already had a big participation in firing coaches so why not to participate in hiring once in a while?

True. He's already mastered insubordination, he's trying to work on his other soft skills.

jrod, you gotta take those glasses off sometimes, it'll hurt your longterm vision.

Is it his fault he is playing with the worst backcourt in the entire NBA? That we traded our first round pick for guy that struggled to make the rotation on a lottery team and is now out of the league. Did he use the one provision that was designed to help ****ty franchises get out from under a bad contract on a player that was a free agent only to pick up his contract and buy out a 1 year deal. So what's the problem?

Come one guys. Phil has no done very little here to be confident about. KP fell in his lap, his free agent signings were fair, his coaching selections have been terrible.

No one want to play for Rambis, nor does a free agent look at the coaching situation and instability in our front office and think that Phil is committed or going to be here long term. There is one player in the entire league that could get this crew to the playoffs, one.

You can't hate the guy because our owner decided to gut the team for him. He has played well all season long. Whose making the game easier for him?

MS wrote:I have never seen a player take more ****.

Is it his fault he is playing with the worst backcourt in the entire NBA? That we traded our first round pick for guy that struggled to make the rotation on a lottery team and is now out of the league. Did he use the one provision that was designed to help ****ty franchises get out from under a bad contract on a player that was a free agent only to pick up his contract and buy out a 1 year deal. So what's the problem?

Come one guys. Phil has no done very little here to be confident about. KP fell in his lap, his free agent signings were fair, his coaching selections have been terrible.

No one want to play for Rambis, nor does a free agent look at the coaching situation and instability in our front office and think that Phil is committed or going to be here long term. There is one player in the entire league that could get this crew to the playoffs, one.

You can't hate the guy because our owner decided to gut the team for him. He has played well all season long. Whose making the game easier for him?

Melo has upped the assists but he hasn't played all that well. His shooting was not good he shot a decent percentage in wins at 46% but but he contributed to the losses and played a hand in them because he shot 40% in losses his free throw shooting also dipped in losses. Since he is the main focal point of the team and considered star of the team you can't claim that he has played well because by his standard this was one of his worst season statistically.