Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:What is Crabbe's D like?

He's known as an above-average defender. Not elite, but solid.

Solid as in DeMarre Carroll or Danny Green before they got really well known or solid as in does OK but will never get better?

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:What is Crabbe's D like?

He's known as an above-average defender. Not elite, but solid.

Solid as in DeMarre Carroll or Danny Green before they got really well known or solid as in does OK but will never get better?

I really don't know enough about him, but since he is only 23, i assume he can get better.

He's a competent nba defender. Highly coachable. High IQ and awareness as to how to find success in this league.

I'm just not sure how much better he can get. He's not a 20 pt a game scorer. He's a 10-11 pt per game guy. Definitely a system type of guy.

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I know finestrng has talked about him before but if you really look at size shooting skills age production AND the fact that Crabbe plays for a G heavy team in Portland
hes the best SG prospect that can be had--worth 9-11mm. I almost see this as an Allan Houston type of FA signing. Hes just a better option for us at 23

Ummmmmmm hellz no. This guy isn't worth what Afflalo made.

I dont know how old you are--but Allen Crabbe looks an awful lot like Allan Houston. He had somewhat similar #s to Crabbe at age 23 for Detroit. This guys on the B line up. Why would we want another retread like Affalo --you want a guy who has proven he can play big time but also has a lot of room to grow--thats how you buiod a team. Nearly 40% 3 point shooting and 46% FG no brainer with his size touch and athletic ability? No brainer. Hes a shot maker we dont have.

martin wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

nixluva wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:He is a shooter that plays with 2 strong ball handling, penetrating, playmakers in Lillard and CJ. We need players more of the penetration/playmaking skill set then the off the ball shooting skill set.

That's a very key point. We need 2 backcourt players that are a threat with the ball and without the ball, that can create their own shot but also make the pass. Hopefully with size, athletic ability and some defense.

Jeremy Lin?

I think I've seen Lin play twice this year, killing the Knicks both times. And then the last Spurs game.

But then I look at his stats and they seem to tell another story of a guard coming off the bench who can't really shoot and puts up other mediocre numbers. Am I wrong? I would love to love the dude.

Crabbe is likely going to be a lot cheaper to attempt to acquire than say Bazemore, or Fournier. Bazemore is likely gone from Atlanta but is going to get paid. I also doubt Orlando doesn't match Fournier's contract since he has developed into a high level scorer for them and is their best SG.

Crabbe will probably never be a star in the league, but he could become a reliable starter.

Crabbe's efficient, plays off the ball, scores off of catch and shoot situation from running over screens, scores well in transition, can shoot the 3 very well, and is a ok defender.

Crabbe probably could avg around 10-15 ppg as a starter in the triangle due to opponents focusing on KP and Melo and his outside shot would make it easier for guys like Wroten and Grant to score off of drives by forcing defenses to guard him on the perimeter creating space.

BRIGGS wrote:

wargames wrote:I actually like Allen Crabbe a lot too and think he would be a realistic RFA to steal. Portland has its starters at SG in McCollum and a reserve wings in Harkless and Henderson and needs as much cap room as possible to try and get a big. If he accepts an offer early they will likely let him go because they wouldn't want that cap space tied up as they try to attract FA's like Whiteside or Horford with Max contracts. (on the low I think the Blazers are going to go hard to get Whiteside he fits their youth movement and is the rim protector they desperately need)

Crabbe is likely going to be a lot cheaper to attempt to acquire than say Bazemore, or Fournier. Bazemore is likely gone from Atlanta but is going to get paid. I also doubt Orlando doesn't match Fournier's contract since he has developed into a high level scorer for them and is their best SG.

Crabbe will probably never be a star in the league, but he could become a reliable starter.

Crabbe's efficient, plays off the ball, scores off of catch and shoot situation from running over screens, scores well in transition, can shoot the 3 very well, and is a ok defender.

Crabbe probably could avg around 10-15 ppg as a starter in the triangle due to opponents focusing on KP and Melo and his outside shot would make it easier for guys like Wroten and Grant to score off of drives by forcing defenses to guard him on the perimeter creating space.

Yeah he seems to fit in more efficiently than Bazemore--these other guys are just out of our league financially. Its going to cost some cash--8-9mm for Crabbe 7mm for Curry--but I think --well I know I like both a lot. I also like that back up center from San Antonio.

Im pretty much set on my wish list barring a really great player wanting to play in NY or a Carmelo trade.

My personal priority free agent list

#1 Seth Curry--Im willing to pay between 7-8mma year(the new MLE)
#2 Allen Crabbe--Im willing to pay slightly above the MLE 9mm
#3 Boban M willing to pay up to 5mm for 3 years.

Draft
Round 1 past 15
The two players I like
A Denzell Valentine
B Malik Beasley

Round 2
In order of appeal

#1 Bryn Forbes
#2 Derrick Jones
#3 Patric McCaw
#4 Ben Bentil

Undrafted Daniel Ocheku

Also its impossible to take into account a falling rock but I like this list.

I think 10-12 million is the level of offer just because of NBA Inflation but yeah I don't think Portland matches. Especially if the offer is given early in FA and they are just beginning the process of chasing a Big Man. In theory the knicks should look at Crabbe as a 3&D potential SG and should pay him accordingly.

BRIGGS wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:If you're going to overpay no matter who you sign, I think it might make sense to go after a young player. Crabbe isn't going to outrank Lillard or McCollum so I do think Portland would be less likely to match. What scares me is that he looks like an average player. I hope we can employ the cash more effectively

Well I guess it would be a theory that the guy just turned 24 is on an upswing in his game--his efficient in what he does and can grow with the team. To say were getting a star player--thats a tough sell. I think that we can win by getting a lot of good players who are efficient who can spread the floor who have different skill sets which will work in a cumulative team fashion. I think we made some progress using this in last free agency--we got 3 players who helped. Our stars have to be KP and Carmelo if he stays and the more efficient we can become--the better everything will work.

I don't disagree with you. He could get better. But I don't see anything that makes me think that he's anything more than an average player. What does Crabbe do at an above average level?