SupremeCommander wrote:If the Knicks could add Conley and Batum and some depth I would be ecstatic

batum at what price?

mreinman wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:If the Knicks could add Conley and Batum and some depth I would be ecstatic

batum at what price?

I'm assuming something like $9 or $10 million/yr... the market will determine that. I certainly wouldn't want to see some garbage like 4 years for $65 million.

I just think the guy is a smart basketball player who is pretty good. I think that's all you need at SG in today's NBA. There is Klay Thompson and then there is... I think he'd fit in here and I think international players really like being in NYC as they can find people from says France here

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

mreinman wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:If the Knicks could add Conley and Batum and some depth I would be ecstatic

batum at what price?

I'm assuming something like $9 or $10 million/yr... the market will determine that. I certainly wouldn't want to see some garbage like 4 years for $65 million.

I just think the guy is a smart basketball player who is pretty good. I think that's all you need at SG in today's NBA. There is Klay Thompson and then there is... I think he'd fit in here and I think international players really like being in NYC as they can find people from says France here

Different players but DeMarre Carroll was offered a 4 year deal starting at $13.5M. Batum isn't the defender or shooter but he does a lot on the court.

With the market so slim I'd say Batum is gonna get a starting of at least $13M.

martin wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

mreinman wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:If the Knicks could add Conley and Batum and some depth I would be ecstatic

batum at what price?

I'm assuming something like $9 or $10 million/yr... the market will determine that. I certainly wouldn't want to see some garbage like 4 years for $65 million.

I just think the guy is a smart basketball player who is pretty good. I think that's all you need at SG in today's NBA. There is Klay Thompson and then there is... I think he'd fit in here and I think international players really like being in NYC as they can find people from says France here

Different players but DeMarre Carroll was offered a 4 year deal starting at $13.5M. Batum isn't the defender or shooter but he does a lot on the court.

With the market so slim I'd say Batum is gonna get a starting of at least $13M.

I'd guess more, Martin.
He's on a playoff team, and was the main trade piece that improved them vs last season. He's giving a team 5 assists a night, some defense, athleticism, can shoot the 3, and is their 2nd or 3rd best player. 2nd or 3rd best players on playoff teams will get paid way too much in free agency right now. Teams like the Lakers have $60M in space. I think Batum's going to get the maximum he can make. I'm not sure what the figure is for his maximum, but it has to be in the $20M a year range for the 1st season. Once DeRozan and Durant are off the market, Batum becomes the best wing available. He's getting the maximum, I think.

yeah I tend to agree

Afflalo got $8mm a year... I'm not sure he gets $5 more a year. That said, I'll concede he gets that. I wouldn't love that number but I would do it. I didn't love the Lopez signing at the time but now I do... $13 million will not look like a lot of money for a SG with the new TV deal.

We would have youth and/or talent 1 through 5. You look at what the NY Giants did this offseason and would do something similar. You aren't going to fix all your problems but you get guys about to enter the prime of their careers.

crzymdups wrote:Mike Conley has the highest WS/48 of any guard available and he's unrestricted and has at least some interest in coming here.

He needs to be the top target.

also, thanks for putting this together - handy guide!

He's easily my top target. If we could get Conley and either C.Lee or E.Turner i would be more than happy.

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Bonn1997 wrote:

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mreinman wrote:thanks Nix!! this is great. It also shows you how bad the field is this year. We are best off sitting tight unless we get Conley or Derozen (where is he on the list?)

Derozon's going to get overpaid. He has reasonably good (but not outstanding #s this year) and mediocre career #s. I think he'll give you about $10 mil in production for a $20 mil price tag.

170 is a pretty high TS and he is young. Phil would have to think that he can make him a complete star.

Right but giving a max contract out based on 1 good year out of 7 (especially a contract year) doesn't make sense. By NBA standards, 26 isn't young. Players peak around 24 to 26 statistically. A max contract would be paying him mostly in years where the average player is on a downward trajectory.

ok ... put it this way - I would rather they overpay for him than overpay for a guy like Rondo.

Also, I have this gut thing with Derozen and Phil. Not logical necessarily, I have admitted that before.

OK but I'd rather overpay for no one.

Maybe you should be paying more attention to the NBA and what free agents are getting these days because if you want any player that has any kind of name in this game then you have to overpay to get them.

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:thanks Nix!! this is great. It also shows you how bad the field is this year. We are best off sitting tight unless we get Conley or Derozen (where is he on the list?)

Derozon's going to get overpaid. He has reasonably good (but not outstanding #s this year) and mediocre career #s. I think he'll give you about $10 mil in production for a $20 mil price tag.

170 is a pretty high TS and he is young. Phil would have to think that he can make him a complete star.

Right but giving a max contract out based on 1 good year out of 7 (especially a contract year) doesn't make sense. By NBA standards, 26 isn't young. Players peak around 24 to 26 statistically. A max contract would be paying him mostly in years where the average player is on a downward trajectory.

ok ... put it this way - I would rather they overpay for him than overpay for a guy like Rondo.

Also, I have this gut thing with Derozen and Phil. Not logical necessarily, I have admitted that before.

OK but I'd rather overpay for no one.

so whats your move? How do you hope the build? Sell melo and start from scratch/kp?

Yes and buy good bargains. That could mean 3 mil contracts for guys who give 4 mil in production or could mean much bigger contracts.

yeah ... not going to happen.

and who are your 3 for 4m?

I have no idea what price different FAs are going to get. You'd have to do a ton of interviewing and see who takes a good bargain. I also don't have the time I used to have to look at all the major advanced stats for every FA. I do have enough time to easily spot someone who's going to get paid double what the advanced stats say he's worth though.
Durant's the only player on that list that I think is worth a max contract. He's a health risk but it's a risk you'd have to take.
Edit: I do think David Lee at around $4 mil would be a great bargain, though. I think if you add a bunch of great bargains like that it will improve the team more than blowing all our cap space to overpay one guy will. The improvement would then make us more appealing the next summer.

Well there's a whole list of all the free agents in the original thread so i would have to think you's have enough time to scroll up and look at it and tell us which one's you think will be getting $3/$4 mil per right??

mreinman wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Mike Conley has the highest WS/48 of any guard available and he's unrestricted and has at least some interest in coming here.

He needs to be the top target.

also, thanks for putting this together - handy guide!

He's easily my top target. If we could get Conley and either C.Lee or E.Turner i would be more than happy.

conley's price tag will be tricky though

Oh it absolutely will be but he's the guy i want to play the point for Melo, KP and R.Lopez. He brings no drama with him on the court or off and seems like he's all about being a team player which is the type of players i want for this team. I keep saying that we should look to finish this semi rebuild in two seasons because the cap rise of about $20 mil each season should be how we get a legit point guard in one off season and get a legit SG the other off season and i'd love to start it with Conley.

newyorker4ever wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:thanks Nix!! this is great. It also shows you how bad the field is this year. We are best off sitting tight unless we get Conley or Derozen (where is he on the list?)

Derozon's going to get overpaid. He has reasonably good (but not outstanding #s this year) and mediocre career #s. I think he'll give you about $10 mil in production for a $20 mil price tag.

170 is a pretty high TS and he is young. Phil would have to think that he can make him a complete star.

Right but giving a max contract out based on 1 good year out of 7 (especially a contract year) doesn't make sense. By NBA standards, 26 isn't young. Players peak around 24 to 26 statistically. A max contract would be paying him mostly in years where the average player is on a downward trajectory.

ok ... put it this way - I would rather they overpay for him than overpay for a guy like Rondo.

Also, I have this gut thing with Derozen and Phil. Not logical necessarily, I have admitted that before.

OK but I'd rather overpay for no one.

Maybe you should be paying more attention to the NBA and what free agents are getting these days because if you want any player that has any kind of name in this game then you have to overpay to get them.

(Assuming everyone is coming off the books and you stretch and waive Calderon)