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callmened
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3/30/2016  8:10 PM
Finestrg wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Finestrg wrote:Anyone else see a little Chauncey Billups with this dude or am I way off?

Similar skill and size around 6'3" 200.. It wasn't until Billups' 7th year in the league (when he got to Detroit) that his career really started taking off. Before that, he was putting up merely passable numbers much like what we've see from Bayless so far. I think usage and the right team/fit means so much. Chauncey finally took off once he found his niche on the right team (and then continued exceling on subsequent teams). All of a sudden he was looked at in a completely different light from everyone--his coaches, his teammates, his opponents around the league... Before that for his first 6 seasons though, he was looked at as sort of a bust if I remember right. I see a similar pattern with Bayless, right down to the potential for much more just like Billups eventually proved. And what it took was a team that saw something in him, saw that he was capable of much more and they managed to extract that talent from him and channel it...Not saying Bayless is guaranteed to become Chauncey Billups, all I'm saying is that sometimes it takes guys awhile to really find the right situation. Took Billups a little while but eventually he was looked at as one of the better lead guards in the league. There's no question Bayless has the talent -- if he didn't, I wouldn't even bother wasting my time making such a comparison. I mean imagine we got this guy for a good price compared to what else'll be out there this summer and finally gave him his own team to run full-time, what that could do for him? That's an experiment/challenge I'd like to see Phil take on right now -- let's see if we could come close to turning Jerryd Bayless into Chauncey Billups. And no disrespect to Billups, he was a damn good player, but look at his career numbers for a sec.: 15.2 ppg, only 41.5% FGs (4.5-10.9), 38.7% from 3, 89.4% FTs (4.3-4.8) 5.4 apg, 1.0 spg. Those are far from HOF numbers--hey who knows, Billups may still make the HOF one day. He was that highly thought of by the end of his career. Those first 6 seasons though--much different story.. I think Bayless, with the talent he has, has a chance to get to that same level or close to it.

it actually clicked in for him his last year with minny but good point about him going from a bad player to a good player in his sixth year. He may be more the exception.

I just think Bayless is way too talented to be nothing more than a backup for someone for the rest of his career. I really believe he could eventually bust out one day. He may just be one of those guys that needs a team that believes in his talent and gives him that lead role. No true hard evidence to backup what I'm saying--just a feeling I get about this guy, you know?

talented dude but no i dont think hes a break out candidate simply cuz hes TOO INJURY PRONE. reminds me more of del harris not billups

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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3/30/2016  8:31 PM
are you watching the suns vs bucks game?booker is making a fool out of him defensively. and booker is locking down bayless.
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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3/30/2016  11:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/31/2016  12:37 AM
callmened wrote:are you watching the suns vs bucks game?booker is making a fool out of him defensively. and booker is locking down bayless.

No, didn't see the game. But read that the Bucks won and Bayless only played 12 mins. -- suffered a mild hyperextension of his right knee in the first half and did not return.

Booker's been amazing. Not at all surprised that he outplayed Bayless for a stretch before JB got hurt. Booker's been outplaying a lot of guys.. Back to Bayless--if you look at the game logs, he hasn't really had an impact game in awhile. Just not taking a lot of shots. The last time he took 10 or more shots in a game--3/12 against New Orleans, looks like it was 10 games ago. I think Bayless should be getting double figure shot attempts every night. That's how I'd use him.

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3/30/2016  11:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/30/2016  11:29 PM
bayless doesnt play alot because theyre playing rookie r. vaughn - who is outplaying him (and hes not that good...yet). yeah i have nba league pass so i WATCH these games. hes always looking to score...not pass
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3/30/2016  11:44 PM
I'm late in the convo.....

just wanted to say Bayless is one of my favorite nba players. I actually thought he was better than Derrick Rose before they got drafted. I thought Bayless got screwed in Portland back in the day. He played super in the playoffs with Brandon Roy and they rewarded him by forgetting he exists. He had a shot to play in Boston bit got caught on a deep young team. Now he's just a veteran journeyman. I expected more.

He'll be available when we start to look at minimum salary players. He would be well worth that price.

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3/31/2016  11:20 AM
It sounds like MCW and/or Ennis might be available if Kidd plans on using Greek Freak at the point.
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3/31/2016  11:24 AM
Finestrg wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
mreinman wrote:he is an under average player so his salary should not exceed the average.

Which is what? Gimmie the number that gets it done for this guy -- 4 yrs/$26mm? Less, more? I dunno man -- good possibility of getting Jeff Teague/Jordan Clarkson/Avery Bradley-type production for a contract around 4 yrs/$26mm -- I find that appealing.

don't what the avg will be next season but I hope its less than that. 3 million x 3?

Interesting. I guess to boils down to offering enough to get him to leave Milwaukee to come here, yet not overpaying. I feel the 3x3 you mentioned is something Milwaukee may offer him, prob. a little more--that's basically the money they gave him on his existing deal. You figure with the cap set to climb much higher, salaries will be inflated some. I think that's what we'll have to contend with -- a soaring cap/inflated contracts + offering a player enough to leave his current situation: a little more money, more shot attempts, a lead guard role. I fell we can deal with the incentives for a guy in this range but drastically overpaying for a bigger name? I don't know if that's in our best interest.

Average salary in the NBA is already $6M per year. I think Bayless should be in the $5M per year range at most.

As plenty of others have mentioned - salaries are gonna be massively inflated this summer. He might get $6M, $7M or more.

Don't forget the Nets are desperate for a point guard, relevancy, and to steal any kind of shine they can from the Knicks.

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