martin wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Paris907 wrote:Given that Thibs is a hard nose defensive minded coach, would Rondo/Gordon/Batum/Fournier/ make sense ? Do Calderon/OQuinn/Seraphin/AMUNDSON make sense ? Do some trades make more sense under one coach than the other? We don't have a Butler or Joaquin in prime but Lopez and KP do lock up shooters down low.

NBA.com reported that the Knicks have the best defensive field goal percentage at the rim in the entire NBA and that's thanks to KP and Rolo.

I think they are tops around the 3 point line too but not exactly sure

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http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016.html?lid=header_seasons

When Rambis was asked if he was curious to see how Grant would do with the starting five, he responded, “No, not really.”

GustavBahler wrote:

When Rambis was asked if he was curious to see how Grant would do with the starting five, he responded, “No, not really.”

Right, because starting your aging point in meaningless games while your rookie PG watches, is best for him. Words of wisdom from statistically one of the worst coaches in NBA history.

Thibs gets his players to run through walls for him, is praised by most players who he has coached.
Rambis wont be shown the same respect because he has done nothing as a coach to deserve it. Who hell would pick Rambis over an elite coach with a track record? Fanboys thats who.

He doesn't have to start him but he only played 8 minutes in the last game. At least get him some court time. Maybe Rambis is hoping Jose has a thjr type game against a future suitor. Who knows. Tim Frazier probably has a very good game tonight.

Walton's pops shat on the Knicks but that could of been a ploy to increase his price. Thibs makes a lot of sense (and also coincides with the Rondo tumors) but Dolan hates him. Shaw is the black horse out there and I think if all else fails he is brought in.

Rambis is not winning nearly enough to be a legitimate candidate over the summer. The best thing about Phil is even if the move doesn't work (Calderon, for example) it's not a stupid move at the time. Rambis would be a stupid move as the longterm head coach from day 1.

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:If Phil actually used common sense and logic one time to hire Thibs, it would be an absolute boon for recruiting.

Thibs was a top assistant on the Olympic teams, so all the stars and the top players that tried out for USA basketball have nothing but respect for him.

Rambis on the other hand is known as the dude that has one of the worst losing percentages as a coach and benched Kevin Love.

I like Thibs but when you go all Rainman on it the logic gets lost in the dots.
Players can't rely on coach's being here when they considering free agency.

You also rely too much on past performance. The conditions and players between Rambis in Minny and here are not the same.
Blatt benched Love many times last season.

MDA coached Team USA as well. Neither him nor Thibs would ever go full tilt on players given the situation.
My only concern with Thibs is his obsessive nature and has been polarizing with management in Chicago. Reinsdorf hired him, and Del Negro over Gar Heard and Paxson who objected.
That's a bad situation Thibs walked into. Rambis was hired by Taylor and Kahn was the GM. Neither was in synch with each other.

The big question is if he decided to go with the best coach available Thibs, would Phil let Tom have full rein? Short history with the Knicks says no, but people can change if they step back and look at the big picture.

Would he let Tom install his version of the triangle, put in his much lauded defensive principles, but only butt in to make sure personnel and roster isn't over extended like what Tom done in the past? So far Phil has been like the puppeteer to Fisher and Rambis, his way or the highway, and when Fish deviated a little from Phil's scheme, he got the axe (rightfully so). But this is a different animal. Tom has established himself in a short time to be a bright mind himself, will Phil allow Tom to do this thing if hired?

Who is a better coach? Thibs or Phil?
And before you get the "Did Thibs have Kobe or Jordan".....Remember that Bulls did not win before phil nor did the lakers.
Thibs had Lebron in the East. Not his fault. But 11 rings grants you the right to pull the strings and if you must, you phuching dance!

Coaching wise, no contest. Remember though, Phil is only an executive for roughly 2 years, so he's new to this whole management thing. Different animal altogether. Only a few have excelled at both. Riley, Popovich, Bird. So far Phil hasn't been the greatest President, his short record with the Knicks says so at least.

It ultimately might come down to this offseason for Phil Jackson as to how he will be judged as an executive. He'll have to pick the right coach for the next 4 to 5 years, the right free agents, and do his best to get into the draft this summer. Fair or unfair, this summer will be how Phil's tenure as Knicks president will be viewed.

That's pretty darn diplomatic answer for you.

So why would you want him to install his own version of the triangle? But lets be real, If phil hired him its because they do see eye to eye and Phil would have faith in him. And Thibs should only follow his bosses game plan, which includes feed back and intuitive feedback and recommendations!!!

Phil being a maverick himself, would likely get a kick that Dolan would be a bit uncomfortable with it but see it as a teaching moment for Dolan! Phil in his infinite wisedom and arrogance would sell it to Dolan. Lets just say Phil is self made man and Dolan is not.

Thanks. I range from half to full retard at times, maybe I'm tripolar!

I'm sure if Thibs were somehow hired by Phil, he'd get all the intricacies of the triangle from Phil himself, and then throw in a few of his Chicago wrinkles if Phil was okay with it.

Maybe more so than Phil, would be how would Dolan feel about a JVG/Pat the Rat disciple steering the ship. Either way, if both Phil and Dolan took a step away from their perch for a few moments and saw the entire coaching landscape, they'd probably see Thibs as the best man for the job, PERIOD.

Triangle wise, Phil would have to grant interviews to Walton, Shaw, Rambis for Triangle's sake etc...but at the end of the day, how could you not go with the best man for the job. Other non Triangle tree considerations should be Blatt, Brooks, but I feel with Thibs knowledge of New York being an assistant all those years, he'd be a perfect fit to deal with the drama.

Oh man, you were doing so well until the "Thibs knowledge of NY........" What does that have to do with it? Dude had the heat in Chitown and everyone knows NY media is brutal! So he knows how to read a subway map, big deal!!!!

Best man is subjective. Thibs has been called a lot of things and while the Bulls were better with him and had a great regular season winning %, they underachieved in the playoffs even with Rose in his MVP prime.

When did the Bulls underachieve under Thibbs? The oinly year he had a healthy Derrick Rose, the went to the ECF and lost to LeBron and Miami. And at age 22 Rose certainly was not in his prime. Since then in the following seasons, Rose has played 39 games (age 23), 10 games (age 24), and 51 games (age 25) while under Thibbs.

Even more funny to this notion is that in the playoffs that the Bulls have made since Rose MVP season...he has played in a whopping 1 game in 11-12 due to injury, none in 2012-13, and 12 but very diminished as a player in the last season.

If anything Thibbs did nothing short of overachieve.

knickscity wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:If Phil actually used common sense and logic one time to hire Thibs, it would be an absolute boon for recruiting.

Thibs was a top assistant on the Olympic teams, so all the stars and the top players that tried out for USA basketball have nothing but respect for him.

Rambis on the other hand is known as the dude that has one of the worst losing percentages as a coach and benched Kevin Love.

I like Thibs but when you go all Rainman on it the logic gets lost in the dots.
Players can't rely on coach's being here when they considering free agency.

You also rely too much on past performance. The conditions and players between Rambis in Minny and here are not the same.
Blatt benched Love many times last season.

MDA coached Team USA as well. Neither him nor Thibs would ever go full tilt on players given the situation.
My only concern with Thibs is his obsessive nature and has been polarizing with management in Chicago. Reinsdorf hired him, and Del Negro over Gar Heard and Paxson who objected.
That's a bad situation Thibs walked into. Rambis was hired by Taylor and Kahn was the GM. Neither was in synch with each other.

The big question is if he decided to go with the best coach available Thibs, would Phil let Tom have full rein? Short history with the Knicks says no, but people can change if they step back and look at the big picture.

Would he let Tom install his version of the triangle, put in his much lauded defensive principles, but only butt in to make sure personnel and roster isn't over extended like what Tom done in the past? So far Phil has been like the puppeteer to Fisher and Rambis, his way or the highway, and when Fish deviated a little from Phil's scheme, he got the axe (rightfully so). But this is a different animal. Tom has established himself in a short time to be a bright mind himself, will Phil allow Tom to do this thing if hired?

Who is a better coach? Thibs or Phil?
And before you get the "Did Thibs have Kobe or Jordan".....Remember that Bulls did not win before phil nor did the lakers.
Thibs had Lebron in the East. Not his fault. But 11 rings grants you the right to pull the strings and if you must, you phuching dance!

Coaching wise, no contest. Remember though, Phil is only an executive for roughly 2 years, so he's new to this whole management thing. Different animal altogether. Only a few have excelled at both. Riley, Popovich, Bird. So far Phil hasn't been the greatest President, his short record with the Knicks says so at least.

It ultimately might come down to this offseason for Phil Jackson as to how he will be judged as an executive. He'll have to pick the right coach for the next 4 to 5 years, the right free agents, and do his best to get into the draft this summer. Fair or unfair, this summer will be how Phil's tenure as Knicks president will be viewed.

That's pretty darn diplomatic answer for you.

So why would you want him to install his own version of the triangle? But lets be real, If phil hired him its because they do see eye to eye and Phil would have faith in him. And Thibs should only follow his bosses game plan, which includes feed back and intuitive feedback and recommendations!!!

Phil being a maverick himself, would likely get a kick that Dolan would be a bit uncomfortable with it but see it as a teaching moment for Dolan! Phil in his infinite wisedom and arrogance would sell it to Dolan. Lets just say Phil is self made man and Dolan is not.

Thanks. I range from half to full retard at times, maybe I'm tripolar!

I'm sure if Thibs were somehow hired by Phil, he'd get all the intricacies of the triangle from Phil himself, and then throw in a few of his Chicago wrinkles if Phil was okay with it.

Maybe more so than Phil, would be how would Dolan feel about a JVG/Pat the Rat disciple steering the ship. Either way, if both Phil and Dolan took a step away from their perch for a few moments and saw the entire coaching landscape, they'd probably see Thibs as the best man for the job, PERIOD.

Triangle wise, Phil would have to grant interviews to Walton, Shaw, Rambis for Triangle's sake etc...but at the end of the day, how could you not go with the best man for the job. Other non Triangle tree considerations should be Blatt, Brooks, but I feel with Thibs knowledge of New York being an assistant all those years, he'd be a perfect fit to deal with the drama.

Oh man, you were doing so well until the "Thibs knowledge of NY........" What does that have to do with it? Dude had the heat in Chitown and everyone knows NY media is brutal! So he knows how to read a subway map, big deal!!!!

Best man is subjective. Thibs has been called a lot of things and while the Bulls were better with him and had a great regular season winning %, they underachieved in the playoffs even with Rose in his MVP prime.

When did the Bulls underachieve under Thibbs? The oinly year he had a healthy Derrick Rose, the went to the ECF and lost to LeBron and Miami. And at age 22 Rose certainly was not in his prime. Since then in the following seasons, Rose has played 39 games (age 23), 10 games (age 24), and 51 games (age 25) while under Thibbs.

Even more funny to this notion is that in the playoffs that the Bulls have made since Rose MVP season...he has played in a whopping 1 game in 11-12 due to injury, none in 2012-13, and 12 but very diminished as a player in the last season.

If anything Thibbs did nothing short of overachieve.

Exactly. No coach on the market does more with less. The Knicks have "less" right now.

See the reasoning and correlation? Imagine if Tom actually gets some studs. BTW, Jimmy Buckets credits his whole career rising path repeatedly over and over to Thibs if that's of any consequence.

In a perfect world Phil would let Tom have free rein to install his shyt, but he'd be the guiding hand to tell Tom when to pull back on minutes, on overuse, on resting players.

It'd be a match made in heaven...