Few teams get better after they trade a "Star" but often the player wants out and value is lost. Sometimes it takes years to really look at how a team can rebuild afterward. Minny after trading Love got Wiggins. Perhaps letting Wiggins develop as well as a young team do so, under a strong leadership culture as put in by Flip Saunders enabled them to continue, and be in a position to draft Towns. Two Rookie of the years back to back.
Minny's future is bright, but its still gonna take time and tweeking. Kahn had run the team into the ground with some really bad drafting.
Its starts with a rookie in the draft. KP is a cornerstone player. He hit the wall, but that's ok. Whats messed up is we don't have a pick this year. The sins of the past. This be a lesson to the starphuchers who want to "Win now".
Also, count up the amount of coachs since Van gundy left? Team presidents/GM's. Melo is playing for his 4th coach. 10 coaching changes since JVG left.
And what do most fans want? Another president and another coach??
Various trades are tought provoking. Kareem was traded after the 1975 season where the team only won 38 games with him, and the same record without. The lakers won 40 games in his first season. Both teams actually were similar in the few years after and both did very well in the 80's with Milwaukee under don nelson and dell harris went to the playoffs 12 years in a row getting bounced in the first round 3 times, Semi finals 6 times and 3 conf. finals.
It pales in comparison to the lakers who made some very shrewd picks and trades to surround Kareem with Two career in prime HOFers (magic and worthy) as well as a very strong core team. Now, Melo is not Kareem but my point is you have to look at what was the state of the franchise BEFORE the star player was moved and then a few years after. Rare will a team make a trade and be instantly great. Boston depleted stockpiled assets when they got KG and Allen and did have Pierce in place. We don't have many assets as we trade them away too often. We depleted the roster to get Melo. Could other moves been made? Perhaps. But with a constant change of leadership and culture we never get any momentum. Even when Isiah got Marbury he was able to do so because Layden had not depleted the team after the Mcdyess trade. Its rumored that Layden had the Marbury trade on his desk but was not wanting to do it. Isiah was hired mid season and starphucked at Dolans bequest.
Garnett: He dealt Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Al Jefferson, Theo Ratliff and Sebastian Telfair, along with two first round picks in the 2009 NBA Draft and in return he got Kevin Garnett. Only Kahn could have screwed that.
Shaq: L.A. received Caron Butler, Brian Grant and Lamar Odom, along with a first-round draft pick in 2006 and a second -ound pick in 2007. Not a great trade but the Lakers we able to make a trade for Pau with assets. The Grizz were vilified for sending the All star to LA for the lack of stars but Marc became an all star, they drafted Donte Green who they traded for Darrell Arther, got cap space to get Z-bo and has made Memphis a tough team the last 7 seasons.
Pippen: Chicago sent center Olden Polynice,a second-round pick in the 1988 draft, and a first-round pick in the 1989 draft to Seattle; in exchange, the Bulls received Pippen and a 1989 first-round draft pick. We gave Seattle the Pippen pick for Gerald Henderson. Ouch. Pippen was not an out of draft superstar, but it takes forsight to do things like this. another one: On Aug. 5, 1976, longtime Laker veteran Gail Goodrich was signed as a free agent by the New Orleans Jazz. As compensation, the Lakers ended up receiving a first-round draft pick. That draft pick wasn't for three years, and in 1979 the top pick was determined by a coin flip between the two teams that held the top two picks. Takes strong leadership and a culture of patience to create Luck, or "opportunity".
More often a star is traded the impact is not immediate, but it can have lasting positive ramifications. If Phils legacy is that he "righted the ship" and the team competes for years after then it would have been worth it.
Is José's "choking" 7 mil a year contract really the obstacle blocking the knicks from success? I doubt it. The stench of starphuching had to be eradicated.
The only thing I question is why did Phil take this job? Did he think he could turn it around last year? The fact he tore it down rather than try sooner to starphuch it speaks of integrity not just by him, but by Dolan. He had to sign off on this.
Reality bites. Trade Melo, go backwards a bit, developing yoots as we go and draft again next year. By doing so you gain assets for the court or for trade. What nobody can see that "luck creates opportunity" so if you looking for a trade and clear path, your not going to see it. It might not ever happen, but with Melo was are not moving forward unless other assets can be enhanced. Can Willie H. and Wroten be solid core contributers? Can we get a pick via trade and get "lucky"? Free agent siging? I don't know if this can be impactful for next year. If not, then trade Melo.
JK. They stayed about the same.